MS sufferer rides wheelchair for 2 hours to kill herself

Fenian Army wrote: »

What if like my friend the decorators had jumped in to save her and drowned?

Well that didn't happen!

prinz wrote: »

Why? Because I have regard for the others she dragged into it? That before I clap her on the back for her bravery and offer my congratulations I comment on how others might be affected for a lifetime?

Yes, that obviously means I have no regard for what she was going through.... 2+2=5.

I'm not saying you should pat her on the back. I for one find the "brave" label a very strange one to be put on this lady by some of the people in this thread.

But what i'm saying is, if she needed to end her suffering so badly and there were others effected, so be it!

Fenian Army wrote: »

But it easily could have, and stuff like that happens all the time

I'm really sorry to hear what happened to your friend, but people also get killed crossing the street all the time too.

In this case, nobody died trying to save her.

prinz wrote: »

....but she wasn't to know that was she? Do you think train drivers have an easy time of getting over the sight of a body falling in front of their trains? Or do you spare them a thought at all before you go congratulating the person committing suicide?

I never congratulated anyone my friend.

Fenian Army wrote: »

Hardly the same ****ing thing.

Its a natural reaction to try and save someone, especially of you see them in a river, canal or whatever. If you toss yourself in you have a degree of responsibility for what happens to those who do the right thing and try to save you.

Well, again, that didn't happen in this case thankfully.

MrStuffins wrote: »

But what i'm saying is, if she needed to end her suffering so badly and there were others effected, so be it!

So let's say I feel like killing myself this evening. So I head into Dublin City Centre, make my way to the top of the GPO, because I really need to end my suffering, and jump off. And it just so happens person x walks past as I'm falling and I land on top of them and we're both killed. Oops. Shít happens. So be it. I really needed to end my suffering. The fact I caused the death of someone else is meh, collateral damage. People get killed crossing the street too, right. What if I just miss them and they get splattered with my blood and insides? Ah well so be it. Wrong place, wrong time. They might be mentally scarred for life, but my need to end my suffering takes priority... they'll get over it.

Seriously? How self-centred and selfish can you get.

prinz wrote: »

So let's say I feel like killing myself this evening. So I head into Dublin City Centre, make my way to the top of the GPO, because I really need to end my suffering, and jump off. And it just so happens person x walks past as I'm falling and I land on top of them and we're both killed. Oops. Shít happens. So be it. I really needed to end my suffering. The fact I caused the death of someone else is meh, collateral damage. People get killed crossing the street too, right. What if I just miss them and they get splattered with my blood and insides? Ah well so be it. Wrong place, wrong time. They might be mentally scarred for life, but my need to end my suffering takes priority...

Seriously? How self-centred and selfish can you get.

What the hell are you on about now? Your hypothesis is completely different to what happened in the case of this lady! Why not just throw a dragon into the story there friend?

Fenian Army wrote: »

If, as very easily could have happened, someone else did die, would it have been the "right thing"?

So what she's done wrong is kill herself in such a way as to put others at risk trying to recover her body? Simple solution is to give her a legal and humane way of ending her life.

prinz wrote: »

..and that's the best you can come up with? My hypothesis differs only in the method of committing suicide. So perhaps you could try again?

This lady threw herself into a canal, instead of off a building, she had no way of knowing if somebody else would be hurt/die trying to get to her? Or how affected the workmen or the PC or the ambulance staff etc would be... and the best you can come up with is 'so be it'?

It really isn't the same thing. You gave absolutely no information as to what the reasons were for your commiting suicide, what your other options were, it's quite frightening that you think this lady's suicide and you "feeling like killing myself this evening" are the same thing.

I'm not gonna play this silly game with you. Youv'e already lost anyway!

Fenian Army wrote: »

You going to answer the question or dance around the issue? I cant stand people who are purposefully obtuse.

I've already said it's never a good thing if someone dies in that situation. What more do you want from me? And why are we all talking in hypothesis? What if this and what if that? The details as to what happened are written down. Concern yourself with what happened and not with what might've happened.

MrStuffins wrote: »

It really isn't the same thing. You gave absolutely no information as to what the reasons were for your commiting suicide, what your other options were, it's quite frightening that you think this lady's suicide and you "feeling like killing myself this evening" are the same thing..

What a willful and pig ignorant attempt at twisting my words. You know full well what I meant and how I meant it. I made not attempt to equate my hypothetical to this woman's condition and suicide. You really had to scrape low to appear smart on that one.

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'm not gonna play this silly game with you. Youv'e already lost anyway!..

It's frightening that you think this lady's suicide is a game. See what I did there? It's a bit sad and telling you think there is winning and losing to it anyway.

MrStuffins wrote: »

I've already said it's never a good thing if someone dies in that situation. What more do you want from me? And why are we all talking in hypothesis? What if this and what if that? The details as to what happened are written down. Concern yourself with what happened and not with what might've happened.

Life is about "what might've happened". Then again if you don't give a toss about the possible consequences of your actions, I'll stick by the selfish assertion.

prinz wrote: »

What a willful and pig ignorant attempt at twisting my words. You know full well what I meant and how I meant it. I made not attempt to equate my hypothetical to this woman's condition and suicide. You really had to scrape low to appear smart on that one.

Well, if you'd have bothered putting any sort of thought into your hypothesis then you wouldn't have appeared so silly!

It's frightening that you think this lady's suicide is a game. See what I did there? It's a bit sad and telling you think there is winning and losing to it anyway.

Wow, so when I said "game" you thought I meant the lady's suicide was a game........ even though I said "I'm not gonna play this game with you"........... riiiiiiiiiiight!

Life is about "what might've happened".

Lol. it certainly is not!

Then again if you don't give a toss about the possible consequences of your actions, I'll stick by the selfish assertion.

I DO give a toss. i really do. But i give a toss about both sides. Apparently you equate this lady's decision to end her life after lifelong suffering and decades of potential suffering to "So let's say I feel like killing myself this evening"

Amazing!

Fenian Army wrote: »

You obviously struggle with comprehending things... I said nothing about the law, I dont give a fcuk about the law, I said she, and the "fair play" brigade should take into account the effects of what throwing yourself into a river or whatever can have on others, like my friend who died after he jumped in to try and save someone he saw in the water.

What other options did she have Fenian Army?

if you think what she did was wrong, what would you suggest she should've done instead?