Ghost estate claims first victim

hidinginthebush · 24-02-2012 01:02AM

RIP poor little baby

My feelings go out to the parents. Regardless of any negligence on their part that may have caused this, its a horrible thing to have happened. They lives will never be the same again.

Dudess · 24-02-2012 01:28AM

billybudd wrote: »

A terrible tragic thing to happen i hope the poor child rests in peace and that the parents will pull through this, sadly these things happen and to speculate blame at this stage is very poor humanity.

Some people feel an overwhelming urge to blame someone though, I don't understand why. And why the need to punish the parents when they're being punished infinitely more than enough and nobody knows what happened anyway...?

rainbowdrop · 24-02-2012 01:32AM

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

Kids can escape very easily unknown to anyone.
A few years ago I thought my eyes were playing tricks when I saw a baby no more than one or one n a half sitting on side of a busy road. I jammed on breaks and looked to find parents, picked child up n brought it into the house which turned out to be neighbours.
In the meantime a frantic dad n baby's sister were searching next door. I was shaking for ages after thinking how that child could have been killed , the dad reckons he turned his back for a minute and didn't expect child to be outside so was searching all through the house so perhaps this could be the case here.
No matter the circumstances , that family are without a son, god love them! May the little mite rest in peace!!!

Similar thing happened to me 2 months ago. I was driving up the main street in my (small) town, and saw a child, no more than 2years old standing slap bang in the middle of the road about 10metres ahead of my car. I had to do an emergency stop, jumped out and lifted him up into my arms thinking where the fcuk did he come out of?

:eek:

Turned out that there was a kiddie's party going on in the community centre across the road, and I just presumed he had somehow managed to get out of there (I think one of the older children must have opened the door and he managed to escape). Funny thing was, when I carried the little boy into the party, his Mother and Father didn't even realise he was missing. Because there were so many kids running around, and adults standing chatting, they never even noticed he was gone.

Of course they were grateful when I brought him back, but I couldn't stop thinking about what would have happened if I was speeding and hadn't seen him? Or the road had been busier and he was hit by a truck? That child could be dead now and I would never have forgiven myself, even though his parents should have been watching him.

Point is, I know some of them are like little Harry Houdini's, and will try to escape any chance they get, but it's the parent's job to make sure that they can't! They should be supervised at ALL times!

RIP to the little boy that died in the ghost estate......

billybudd · 24-02-2012 01:43AM

Dudess wrote: »

Some people feel an overwhelming urge to blame someone though, I don't understand why. And why the need to punish the parents when they're being punished infinitely more than enough and nobody knows what happened anyway...?

I dont know and to be honest i dont want to know, i am quite happy with empathy as my friend.

ziggy23 · 24-02-2012 02:13AM

My little boy is 2 and being honest I cannot let him out of my sight for one minute, even when he goes into another room I always follow him because I know how mischievous he is. We don't know the full story yet so we can't blame anyone. At the end of the day a 2 year old little boy is dead in tragic circumstances RIP

:(

tan11ie · 24-02-2012 02:20AM

Heartbreaking

starviewadams · 24-02-2012 02:28AM

The child followed a dog into the estate apparently:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0224/1224312309305.html

ziggy23 · 24-02-2012 02:45AM

starviewadams wrote: »

The child followed a dog into the estate apparently:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0224/1224312309305.html

So sad:( poor little fella. My lad opened the front door a few weeks ago and let the dog out I got such a fright that the door is now locked from the inside and keys put away. Little boys are always looking for adventures just so sad for this little fella's family.

crazygeryy · 24-02-2012 09:06AM

Dudess wrote: »

Whoever was minding the child may have taken their eyes off him for a split second - that's all it takes for a child of that age, who is naturally extremely curious and constantly on the move. It's impossible to glue your eyes to them 100 per cent, no matter how hard you try.
I think too that building sites should be protected - no exposed wires etc, whether it be carried out by the building company or the residents - just in order to prevent accidents, which can happen under supervision or not.

In all fairness if you look at the pic in the papers today it took a lot more than a split second for that child to get as far as he did.out of the house, out the gate of a long driveway and over to a building site and in through the fence and down a hole.come on whoever was "minding"that child was not minding them.
Yes under 2 year olds can get every where and are crafty but this wreaks of negligence.

stovelid · 24-02-2012 09:47AM

Thread being colonized by the usual blowhards I see.

Turpentine · 24-02-2012 10:36AM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Lot of point-scoring on this thread.

RIP to the little lad and sympathies to his family.

There does seem to be a lot of point-scoring on this thread. Political point scoring.

If the poor boy had died on a farm would the title of the thread have been "Farms Claim New Victim"?

RIP to the child and condolences to his family, who must be going through hell.

Nothingbetter2d · 24-02-2012 10:39AM

all ghost estates should be given to the local county councils so they can finish them off and used for social housing imo.

xzanti · 24-02-2012 10:39AM

Poor child

I can only imagine the torment his poor parents must be suffering...

A Mother/Father's worst nightmare..

RIP to the poor little man.

gemma188 · 24-02-2012 11:48AM

KKkitty wrote: »

Anyone who has blamed FF for this just think for a second, will any of FF actually care or feel any guilt. Simple answer no they won't.

Sure, just like everyone in this thread who didnt know the family dont actually care.

ash23 · 24-02-2012 12:25PM

crazygeryy wrote: »

In all fairness if you look at the pic in the papers today it took a lot more than a split second for that child to get as far as he did.out of the house, out the gate of a long driveway and over to a building site and in through the fence and down a hole.come on whoever was "minding"that child was not minding them.
Yes under 2 year olds can get every where and are crafty but this wreaks of negligence.

The woman also has a very small baby. She may have been doing something thinking the little lad was safe and sound in the other room.
And then when she realised he wasn't she may have been searching the house before she even thought about searching outside.

It wasn't possible for her to know where he had gone right away. It's not like as soon as she turned back to see him gone she would have said to herself "right, he's gone after the dog, through the fence and down into that puddle".

I lost my 2 year old in a shopping centre one day and I stood for at least 2 minutes trying to figure out which way she might have gone. I thought my mum had her, she thought I had her and she bolted out the door of a shop.
I only found her because some saint of a woman saw me looking very distressed and told me she'd seen her run into another shop.
Had she not seen her I'd have had to have the whole shopping centre shut down and searched. I noticed her missing after about 2 minutes but in that 2 minutes I had no idea which direction she had gone in.

Nothingbetter2d · 24-02-2012 12:34PM

ash23 wrote: »

The woman also has a very small baby. She may have been doing something thinking the little lad was safe and sound in the other room.
And then when she realised he wasn't she may have been searching the house before she even thought about searching outside.

It wasn't possible for her to know where he had gone right away. It's not like as soon as she turned back to see him gone she would have said to herself "right, he's gone after the dog, through the fence and down into that puddle".

I lost my 2 year old in a shopping centre one day and I stood for at least 2 minutes trying to figure out which way she might have gone. I thought my mum had her, she thought I had her and she bolted out the door of a shop.
I only found her because some saint of a woman saw me looking very distressed and told me she'd seen her run into another shop.
Had she not seen her I'd have had to have the whole shopping centre shut down and searched. I noticed her missing after about 2 minutes but in that 2 minutes I had no idea which direction she had gone in.

with all the perverts and freaks out there you would want your toddler on a kiddie leash at all times when in a shopping centre. you were lucky.

ash23 · 24-02-2012 12:41PM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

with all the perverts and freaks out there you would want your toddler on a kiddie leash at all times when in a shopping centre. you were lucky.

She's not a dog. And if I thought like that she'd never be let outside the front door. :rolleyes:

You cannot physically watch a child 24/7. It's impossible.
These things happen and sometimes the consequences are horrendous but more often than not it's nothing.
My point was that just because the child got far away from the mother, doesn't mean she didn't notice he was missing for ages. She might have copped it in a minute and just been unfortunate enough to look in the wrong place.

24-02-2012 12:51PM

ash23 wrote: »

She's not a dog. And if I thought like that she'd never be let outside the front door. :rolleyes:

You cannot physically watch a child 24/7. It's impossible.
These things happen and sometimes the consequences are horrendous but more often than not it's nothing.
My point was that just because the child got far away from the mother, doesn't mean she didn't notice he was missing for ages. She might have copped it in a minute and just been unfortunate enough to look in the wrong place.

Yes, where to look first!
Under the beds, behind the sofa, etc that's a good few minutes around the house before you even look out of the window, let alone in an unfinished estate across the road.

davet82 · 24-02-2012 01:06PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

why was a 2 year old left unsupervised on a building site

you and anybody that thanked that post are ****

i'll take my ban now

mod: banned

KKkitty · 24-02-2012 01:16PM

gemma188 wrote: »

KKkitty wrote: »

Anyone who has blamed FF for this just think for a second, will any of FF actually care or feel any guilt. Simple answer no they won't.

Sure, just like everyone in this thread who didnt know the family dont actually care.

Where in that post does it say other posters don't care?? To me and other posters that poor boy is a human being whereas in governments past and present he is just a statistic. I would never insinuate that the poor boy's death would be something that my fellow boardsies would not care about.

dr.bollocko · 24-02-2012 01:32PM

davet82 wrote: »

you and anybody that thanked that post are ****

i'll take my ban now

mod:
banned.

Tragedy · 24-02-2012 01:33PM

Puddles and pools of water form everywhere. The child didn't die because of the ghost estate, he died due to being unsupervised. There is no blame to be apportioned here, it isn't the mums fault he got out despite her best efforts, and it certainly isn't the Ghost Estates that a puddle of water had formed in Ireland.

Nothingbetter2d · 24-02-2012 01:37PM

ash23 wrote: »

She's not a dog. And if I thought like that she'd never be let outside the front door. :rolleyes:

You cannot physically watch a child 24/7. It's impossible.
These things happen and sometimes the consequences are horrendous but more often than not it's nothing.
My point was that just because the child got far away from the mother, doesn't mean she didn't notice he was missing for ages. She might have copped it in a minute and just been unfortunate enough to look in the wrong place.

no but if your out shopping all it takes is a split second and someone could make off with your toddler. at least with a kiddie leash they cant go too far from you.

2ndcoming · 24-02-2012 01:51PM

RIP to the poor kid, very tragic.

All this political guff on this thread is disgraceful, as is anyone placing blame on anyone, especially the parents. This kind of stuff always brings out the worst of Boards.

My brother fell out of a tree, Green Party scum planting trees grrr ffs.

On a side note was there not a murder suicide on a ghost estate a couple of weeks ago? Was that not the ghost estates' first victims?

24-02-2012 01:58PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

RIP to the poor kid, very tragic.

On a side note was there not a murder suicide on a ghost estate a couple of weeks ago? Was that not the ghost estates' first victims?

Not really, this was a case where a child may not have died if the estate was completed/properly fenced off.

It was an avoidable death for many reasons (without pushing blame onto the parents).

The murder/suicide was caused by people!

ProudDUB · 24-02-2012 02:24PM

Think its mad to blame this on a Ghost Estate.

If a third of the houses on an estate are unfinished/unlived in then there are a lot less people living there that could live there. That means less cars on the estate, less kids on bikes knocking people over, less owners of vicious dogs, less buses, fewer big trucks in the area delivering oil and what not, less perverts and child molesters living near by, fewer neighbours doing renovations on houses and parking skips on the road that block drivers visibility, less skangers knocking about indulging in anti social behaviour, less traffic on the main road etc etc.

If you took Housing Estate A that had 100 occupied houses, and Housing Estate B that also had 100 houses but only 25 of them were finished and occupied, I bet far more people in Estate A (not just the parents of two year old toddlers) would have their lives impacted negatively by all of the above, than in Estate B. Estate B may not look too pretty, but I think it would be safer to live in overall.

homerjay2005 · 24-02-2012 08:18PM

PrincessLola wrote: »

People always complain about childhood obesity and coddling parents keeping their children indoors, not letting them roam free like in the old days, and then a tragic accident happens and the very same people complain 'where were the parents??'

what the f*ck? you know kids can be supervised too, outside...

typical irish reaction to always look for a reason it happened and blame somebody. terrible accident to happen, but what on earth is a 2 year doing outside and unsupervised....thats the bottom line. if you look for blame, blame the person who left the door unlocked or didnt notice the child was missing.

but sure blame the bankers, developers and all them lot who did somethign wrong 4 years ago, its all their fault, everything is their fault. as already said, this probably would have happened anywhere.

when i saw the word ghost estate getting the headline, i lost alot of interest in the story as i know people are going to use this as a stick to beat people with, when its nobodys fault but the people directly involved, IN MY OPINION.

padi89 · 24-02-2012 08:36PM

Namlub wrote: »

It? Seriously?

Indeed, It.

Eric Cartman · 24-02-2012 09:42PM

sad but not the ghost estates fault. I entirely blame the parents.

Dudess · 24-02-2012 09:45PM

padi89 wrote: »

Namlub wrote: »

It? Seriously?

Indeed, It.

You haven't worked out the gender of the child yet?

Ghost estate claims first victim

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