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Secrets of career progression

  • 23-02-2012 07:23PM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭


    Some people are just better at climbing the corporate ladder. What do you think makes some people get promotions and not others, not including being good at the job?

    I think you need to show you won't be treated like sh1t helps. For example refusing to do something where you think someone else should do it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    A lot of it is kissing up to people, making sure they know who you are. Being seen to be working hard, whether that means that you actually do work hard or not.

    Politicians will naturally rise to top in any organisation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    1. Never outshine the master ...
    2. Never put too much trust in friends; learn how to use enemies.
    3. Conceal your intentions.
    4. Always say less than necessary.
    5. So much depends on reputation. Guard it with your life.
    6. Court attention at all costs.
    7. Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit.
    8. Make other people come to you; use bait if necessary.
    9. Win through your actions, never through argument.
    10. Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
    11. Learn to keep people dependent on you.
    12. Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim.
    13. When asking for help, appeal to people's self-interests, never to their mercy or gratitude.
    14. Pose as a friend, work as a spy.
    15. Crush your enemy totally.
    16. Use absence to increase respect and honor.
    17. Keep others in suspended terror: cultivate an air of unpredictability.
    18. Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous.
    19. Know who you're dealing with; do not offend the wrong person.
    20. Do not commit to anyone.
    21. Play a sucker to catch a sucker: play dumber than your mark.
    22. Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power.
    23. Concentrate your forces.
    24. Play the perfect courtier.
    25. Re-create yourself.
    26. Keep your hands clean.
    27. Play on people's need to believe to create a cultlike following.
    28. Enter action with boldness.
    29. Plan all the way to the end.
    30. Make your accomplishments seem effortless.
    31. Control the options: get others to play with the cards you deal.
    32. Play to people's fantasies.
    33. Discover each man's thumbscrew.
    34. Be royal in your fashion: act like a king to be treated like one.
    35. Master the art of timing.
    36. Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.
    37. Create compelling spectacles.
    38. Think as you like but behave like others.
    39. Stir up waters to catch fish.
    40. Despise the free lunch.
    41. Avoid stepping into a great man's shoes.
    42. Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter.
    43. Work on the hearts and minds of others.
    44. Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect.
    45. Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once.
    46. Never appear perfect.
    47. Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop.
    48. Assume formlessness.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sleeping with the right bosses!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    A couple of things from memory.

    Height for a man, plus being in agreement with the company bosses i.e. a yes man.

    Apparently


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    Seachmall wrote: »
    1. Never outshine the master ...
    2. Never put too much trust in friends; learn how to use enemies.
    3. Conceal your intentions.
    4. Always say less than necessary.
    5. So much depends on reputation. Guard it with your life.
    6. Court attention at all costs.
    7. Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit.
    8. Make other people come to you; use bait if necessary.
    9. Win through your actions, never through argument.
    10. Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
    11. Learn to keep people dependent on you.
    12. Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim.
    13. When asking for help, appeal to people's self-interests, never to their mercy or gratitude.
    14. Pose as a friend, work as a spy.
    15. Crush your enemy totally.
    16. Use absence to increase respect and honor.
    17. Keep others in suspended terror: cultivate an air of unpredictability.
    18. Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous.
    19. Know who you're dealing with; do not offend the wrong person.
    20. Do not commit to anyone.
    21. Play a sucker to catch a sucker: play dumber than your mark.
    22. Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power.
    23. Concentrate your forces.
    24. Play the perfect courtier.
    25. Re-create yourself.
    26. Keep your hands clean.
    27. Play on people's need to believe to create a cultlike following.
    28. Enter action with boldness.
    29. Plan all the way to the end.
    30. Make your accomplishments seem effortless.
    31. Control the options: get others to play with the cards you deal.
    32. Play to people's fantasies.
    33. Discover each man's thumbscrew.
    34. Be royal in your fashion: act like a king to be treated like one.
    35. Master the art of timing.
    36. Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.
    37. Create compelling spectacles.
    38. Think as you like but behave like others.
    39. Stir up waters to catch fish.
    40. Despise the free lunch.
    41. Avoid stepping into a great man's shoes.
    42. Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter.
    43. Work on the hearts and minds of others.
    44. Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect.
    45. Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once.
    46. Never appear perfect.
    47. Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop.
    48. Assume formlessness.

    I reatry the 48 laws of power. Interesting stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    I read true 48 laws of power. Interesting stuff.

    Aye, definitely worth the read if only for the historical examples.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Kiss-Up/Kick-Down


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    A bit of insight into the workplace goes a long way...

    All too often I see people drudging along doing what they think needs to be done... They never lift their heads and seek out the value added jobs that make them shine above their peers...

    Also having little or no social morals while at work, but instead being willing to accept/implement corporate policy no matter what...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Caveman1


    Being a kissass and not worrying about who you step on to get to the top


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Some people are just better at climbing the corporate ladder. What do you think makes some people get promotions and not others, not including being good at the job?

    I think you need to show you won't be treated like sh1t helps. For example refusing to do something where you think someone else should do it.


    Highlighting your ability to pass the buck surely highlights one aptitude for a career in politics as opposed to management


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭Milk & Honey


    Keep a civil tongue in your bosses arse!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Keep a civil tongue in your bosses arse!

    Not in the metaphorical sense of course but sometimes you need to go the actual arse to mouth route


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Highlighting your ability to DELEGATE surely highlights one aptitude for a career in politics as opposed to management

    FYP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Simple.

    Do above and beyond what is expected from you. Be first in , in the morning and last out in the evening. Pick your battles wisely.

    smile and nod.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Seachmall wrote: »
    FYP


    Pass the buck is closer the mark I reckon


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sleeping with the right bosses!


    .....in addition, being related to the right people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Nodin wrote: »
    .....in addition, being related to the right people.

    "It's not who you know it's how you know them and what they owe you."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭beks101


    Some of it depends on what country you're in.

    In Ireland, being related to the company director is a good place to start.

    Otherwise, make yourself indispensable by taking initiative on jobs that other people overlook, work your ass off and arrive early to everything, assuming authority on tasks you are working on and most importantly, making it known to all the right people that you are doing all of these things. CC the big guys on big projects you are stitching together and become your boss's new best friend.

    Do all that and above all else, ASK. Don't be afraid to ask for a promotion if you know you've earned it. Sometimes people lie stagnant in jobs feeling cheated because they've worked their socks off and no-one asked them if they'd like to advance and make more money. Don't be intimidated by upper management, seek out the respect you deserve.

    And don't be the office gossip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Ricardo G


    1. Bring the boss a nice bun and coffee every morning for brekkie, YOU PAY!
    2. Compliment the boss on his/her attire every 15-20 mins
    3. Ask how the boss's wife/husband is getting on at weightwatchers
    4. Invite the boss round for a go off your other half, this is free !!
    5. Offer to caddy for you're boss every Saturday/Sunday
    6. Insist that any overtime carried out by you is done as a goodwill gesture
    7. Offer to babysit the boss's children, again you do not charge
    8. Tell the boss that you will look after his 4 german shepards while he travels europe during the summer months

    These are just a few things i have done and i'm still packing shelves at the local shop


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    Simple.

    Do above and beyond what is expected from you. Be first in , in the morning and last out in the evening. Pick your battles wisely.

    smile and nod.

    In my experience people who start on time and work late get noticed.

    Starting early and finishing on time doesn't seem to be as impressive.

    i.e if your contracted hours are 9.00am to 5.00pm then working from 9.00am to 6.00pm impresses the bosses more than coming in at 8.00am and finishing at 5.00pm.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,291 ✭✭✭✭Standard Toaster


    Business cards with subtle off-white coloring and a tasteful thickness. Oh and it must have a watermark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    Ability, visibility, humility and adaptability

    Ability: At a minimum you must be respected for being competent at your job- this doesnt mean being a 'hard worker' or even an expert it just this means that in your workplace you are the 'go to person' for the particular skill that is core to your job description

    Visibility: You need to be deploying your skills on important work, its not enough to be good at your job as and when required. You must actively seek out and contribute to the important and visible projects/deals/initiatives that your company places the highest priority on.

    Humility: You market yourself everyday in every interaction as someone who is willing to listen to anyone (regardless of rank) and contribute to anything regardless of whether it is your 'job description' or not.

    Adaptability: Career ladders and job descriptions are a thing of the past, you need to act like you own the business, treat change as the only constant. Act as a business owner- take notice of what is happening in your industry and in other industries. Technology is rapidly changing everything, you need to be abreast of the current trends if not actually driving them yourself and using this knowledge to change your workplace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    At all times, have a katana sword on your person


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    depending on the industry:

    1)
    Being decent looking is very useful, height is also an advantage.
    Kiss arse copiously, undermine others while talking yourself up, but do it in a subtle manner.
    Start acting like a manager around your fellow minions.
    Find out what your bosses goals/opinions are and express similar ones in their presence, so more arse kissing.

    2)
    Ape your superiors by the following:
    Dress at their level.
    If you're not from the same social circle or background as your superiors then pretend that you are, Irish business is very class conscious no matter what you're told. Cultivate the same interests.
    Play golf where thats a part of the culture.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Jim_Kiy


    If theres a task you can do at home e.g a pc based that you dont need e.g office tools to accomplish save that task till your home and get even more work done during the day.
    Never become friends with people you work with...from experience..be nice by all means but tell them **** all..work is work and keep it that way.
    Use the telephone more than email.Email leaves a trail in the event things are not quite as you thought.Emails can quickly get cc'd and leave you in a tough spot if you have stated something thats not right..I honestly wish work email had never being invented.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭ThOnda


    ...
    Do above and beyond what is expected from you. Be first in , in the morning and last out in the evening...

    Do you know anything more funny than this? Are you serious? Honestly.
    What you've typed there is the best way to get worn, tired and ill. Nothing from the above would help you to progress at work.
    Working longer hours only shows that you are incapable of doing your work within the assumed time-span.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    ThOnda wrote: »
    Do you know anything more funny than this? Are you serious? Honestly.
    What you've typed there is the best way to get worn, tired and ill. Nothing from the above would help you to progress at work.
    Working longer hours only shows that you are incapable of doing your work within the assumed time-span.
    Billy Cullen disagrees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    ThOnda wrote: »
    Do you know anything more funny than this? Are you serious? Honestly.
    What you've typed there is the best way to get worn, tired and ill. Nothing from the above would help you to progress at work.
    Working longer hours only shows that you are incapable of doing your work within the assumed time-span.


    It's how I got promoted and how I promote others.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    All you should do is your job and do it good. I've seen so many kiss asses taken advantage of because they will do anything hoping to progress for them only to be waiting 4 years in a dead end job for a whole lot of nothing. Yet they are worked like a dog, no life and not happy. Not saying its the case every where, but havent witnessed it being a success too often.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Seachmall wrote: »
    1. Never outshine the master ...
      snip
    2. Assume formlessness.

    48 laws of power
    nice


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