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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Also, a tenner says Dawkins' slave owning great grand pappy was a God fearing Christian..
    I'd still like to know what Adam Lusher's great-great-grandparents did for a living:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9091007/Slaves-at-the-root-of-the-fortune-that-created-Richard-Dawkins-family-estate.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who doesn't have a distant ancestor to be ashamed of.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Galvasean wrote: »
    I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who doesn't have an distant ancestor to be ashamed of.
    FYP!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    Eye opener. More personal research to be conducted.




    And a personal story highlighting this;


    Full film is available on youtube also.

    Update: There is an ongoing phase 3 trial at the moment, results will be interesting.
    He won a 4 year legal battle against the FDA. They now support his clinical trials. Preliminary results of phase 3 trial to be published in the coming months.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dmw07 wrote: »
    Eye opener.
    Burzynski is a convicted fraudster who shot to worldwide fame last November, when his publicist/webmaster Marc Stephens issued a series of legalistic threats against a 17-year old blogger in Wales named Rhys Morgan who challenged Burzynski's quite startling health claims. Completely unethically, Stephens included a picture of Morgan's house taken from Google maps together with his legalistic threats. Stephens is not a lawyer.

    Morgan went public with the threats, the skeptical blogosphere followed up with energy immediately, and after a few days, the mainstream media took up the story, making it global within a week or so. Burzynski abandoned Stephens as soon as the worldwide negative publicity began to roll in.

    Burzynski touts the treatments as 'clinical trials' since you don't need to demonstrate that they work before you sell them (and they are very expensive). Burzynski's been selling his "antineoplaston" stuff since the mid-1990's.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhys_Morgan (the goodie)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Burzynski (not the goodie)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Is cancer still a fungus?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    robindch wrote: »
    Burzynski is a convicted fraudster

    In my research, I stuck to the medical side, mainly antineoplastons (see below) and Dr. Burzynski's medical background. I didn't look into his character but from the trials and the media coverage in America, it shed a lot of light into his control over the clinical trials. One independent review of Burzynski's clinical trials was done in Japan which did not correlate with his findings. That I did find strange.

    Burzynski hasn't published anything in pubmed since 2006 that i can find. I also find that strange though i put it down to his legal battles.

    As I posted in the update, the phase 3 clinical trial will start this year with the approval of the FDA. If it passes, his research will continue.

    Trial against FDA
    http://www.burzynskimovie.com/
    Disclaimer of no affiliation to the doc!

    Phase 3 trial to commence
    http://www.burzynskiclinic.com/clinical-trials.html

    Recent publications
    http://www.burzynskiclinic.com/publications.html

    Medical research
    http://www.burzynskiclinic.com/what-are-antineoplastons.html

    http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/PharmacologicalandBiologicalTreatment/antineoplaston-therapy

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/antineoplastons/patient/Page2#Section_15

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16774296
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035876

    After watching the full length film I'll wait until the phase 3 results come out to make a judgement on the effects of antineoplaston therapy. About the guy, i don't know, the FDA and big pharmacy companies have been after this guy for 3 decades and never really got anything on him. I suggest you watch the full length documentary on Dr Burzynski if you have not already seen it. My scepticism is not with him, it's with the FDA, ELAN and the patient office in America.

    When was he convicted of being a fraudster Robindch? I can't find anything on this.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dmw07 wrote: »
    After watching the full length film I'll wait until the phase 3 results come out to make a judgement on the effects of antineoplaston therapy.
    I'm not sure whether you read the wikipedia page I linked to above on Burzynski, but here's what it says about a film named "Burzynski, Cancer is Serious Business":
    The 2010 film, "Burzynski, Cancer is Serious Business", directed, written, edited, and narrated by Eric Merola, an art director of television commercials, describes Burzynski's use of antineoplastons and his legal clashes with government agencies and regulators. The "Village Voice" commented that the movie "violates every basic rule of ethical filmmaking" and that by interviewing only Burzynski's supporters, the film’s producer "is either unusually credulous, or doesn't understand the difference between a documentary and an advertisement". "Variety" described the film as having the qualities of a "paranoid conspiracy theory" and likened it to the National Enquirer, adding that the film’s explanatory diagrams are "simplistic to the point of idiocy".
    dmw07 wrote: »
    About the guy, i don't know, the FDA and big pharmacy companies have been after this guy for 3 decades and never really got anything on him.
    As above, there are rules in place for clinical trials and so far as I understand the issue (and I haven't done more than a minute's research on this, so please forgive me), Burzynski is using this loophole to peddle his own "treatments" as a "clinical trial" since there's no evidence that anything he does actually achieves anything. As above, anything sold as a "clinical trial" doesn't have to do anything anyway and Burzynski has been selling "clinical trials" since the mid-90's.
    dmw07 wrote: »
    My scepticism is not with him, it's with the FDA, ELAN and the patient office in America.
    The FDA, the "patient office" (patent office?) and other groups don't stand to make millions if Burzynski is proved right. Burzynski does. My advice is to follow the money. And it only goes in one direction.
    dmw07 wrote: »
    When was he convicted of being a fraudster Robindch? I can't find anything on this.
    Again, check out the wikipedia link above on Burzynski. His conviction for fraud is mentioned in the third paragraph from the top. That link again is:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislaw_Burzynski

    The court papers which convict Burzynski of defrauding vulnerable cancer patients are below. If you don't have time to read all 14 pages, then skip to page 10, where the illegality of his "treatment" is discussed, or page 13, where his conviction for fraud is declared:

    ftp://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/pub/93/93-02071.CV0.wpd.pdf

    From the above, I think it's clear enough that Burzynski is a fraud, quite apart from any of the heavy-handed crap his organization handed out to a 17-year old welsh schoolboy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    robindch wrote: »
    From the above, I think it's clear enough that Burzynski is a fraud,

    I'm sceptical of the man as much as you and he could well be a conman. There is a lot of interest in the amounts of money he charges. Most sceptics seem to look at this angle the most, i tend to stick to the results of the clinical trials. That's why i choose to stick to the medical side, it won't lie to me and it's peer reviewed. I think someone would have called him out on his research, after 30 years of publishing information about Antineoplastons. I don't use wiki as a source either. It's a good guide, but not peer reviewed.

    I've read into the case you mentioned. He misrepresented the legality of the drug he was administering to the patient and tried to charge an insurance company for it. That was his fraud. There was no evidence that the drug did not work.

    "Because we conclude that Dr. Burzynski failed to disclose the illegality of his antineoplastons treatment to the Fund when he had a duty to do so, we uphold the district court's judgment on the Fund's claim of fraud. We need not address the other grounds offered by the plaintiff for affirming the district court, such as Dr. Burzynski's alleged misrepresentations as to the location of the treatment."

    Until such time as the drug can be proven fully to work, or not work, i'll reserve judgement.

    Have you watched the video?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,224 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dmw07 wrote: »
    Most sceptics seem to look at this angle the most
    I'd have said that most skeptics are at least as much concerned about the fairly unpleasant way in which Burzynski tried to use the UK's libel laws to silence a 17-year old boy and his publicist's personation of a lawyer :)
    dmw07 wrote: »
    i tend to stick to the results of the clinical trials.
    Likewise, and so far as I've investigated (which isn't very much), nobody's been able to replicate his results. The American Cancer Society notes as follows:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3322/canjclin.33.1.57/pdf
    ACS wrote:
    After careful study of the literature and other information available to it, the American Cancer Society does not have evidence that treatment with antineoplastons results in objective benefit in the treatment of cancer in human beings. Lacking such evidence, the American Cancer Society would strongly urge individuals afflicted with cancer not to participate in treatment with antioneoplastons.

    There never has been an FDA-approved New Drug Application for antineoplas tons, and Dr. Burzynski has not filed a Notice of Investigational Exemption (IND) providing for investigational use of this drug in humans.' Therefore, evidence has not been submitted to the FDA that antineoplastons are safe and effective in the treatment of cancer. Interstate shipment or transportation thereof is illegal. References

    The FDA advises persons who inquire about Dr. Burzynski's alleged cure that they do not believe antineoplaston is fit for ad ministration to humans, and that there is no reason to believe Dr. Burzynski has discovered an effective cure for cancer.
    For me, that's clear enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    robindch wrote: »
    For me, that's clear enough.

    Completely agreed. As I've indicated before, results matter. Phase 3 results will prove one way or the other if this guy's method is correct or not.
    nobody's been able to replicate his results.
    Agreed but he has a patent* on the method. Unless he allows people to do so, they can't reproduce his results. And after the FDA tried to patent his method and technology in 1995 while they sued him (And failed, as with every charge they have brought against him), i understand why a person would not allow a third party access to his method again. He was stung before.

    I take it you didn't get a chance to watch the full length film?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dmw07 wrote: »
    I take it you didn't get a chance to watch the full length film?
    I watched the second clip, but to be honest, I don't like seeing a dead kid used to promote a medical treatment, especially an unproven one. I don't expect I'll be watching the rest of the film.

    If Burzynski is genuinely interested in gaining acceptance for his treatment, then he should be out there helping people replicate his results, rather than producing expensive and glitzy promotional films.

    It's easy to license out a patent for whatever purposes the patent-holder wishes, including limiting the use to research. But from what you say, it seems he hasn't. That's a huge red flag right there, and noting that "he's been stung before" simply doesn't wash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana



    They've not been disproved yet, in fact the two errors they've found would have had opposing effects on the results. They won't actually be disproved (or confirmed) until further experiments are concluded.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17139635


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    dmw07 wrote: »
    I'm sceptical of the man as much as you and he could well be a conman. There is a lot of interest in the amounts of money he charges. Most sceptics seem to look at this angle the most, i tend to stick to the results of the clinical trials...

    People get paid to take part in trials, not the other way around. Trials are just that, trials. There's no solid evidence that it works so it is generally considered unethical to require people to pay to be in a trial. They might be paying for nothing, they might be paying to be made worse. In a free trial or a trial you're being paid to take part in that's part of the risk you take.

    Would you buy an experimental transport device touted to replace the car while it was still in the experimental research stage to see if it could in fact drive anywhere?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,942 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I don't want to stir crap, but has anyone stumbled across this guy, James White? http://aomin.org/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_White_(theologian)

    http://www.youtube.com/droakley1689

    I'd have no idea how to counter him, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭muppeteer


    I'm just waiting for a bond villain to hijack it and demand ransom:)
    http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/sun-will-finally-shine-in-viganella-during-winter/

    viganella_sun_mirror_tqcz6.jpg
    Viganella is a small town in Italy whose inhabitants dread arrival of the winter season. The reason being that each year for 84 days in a row, the sun would not shine in the town as it went behind the 1,600-Meter high mountain that covered the town. The 197 inhabitants were plunged into a near darkness and just waited for the 84 days to pass so that they can once again feel the heat of the sun. With the sun not shining in the town the inhabitants lived a depressed life a scenario which docs call the 'Seasonal Affective Disorder' or SAD. But finally their pain has been heard of and the authorities have just installed a 8-meter wide and 5-meter tall mirror that has been installed on a mountain so that it can reflect the sun's light on to the town for approximately 8 hours every day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    muppeteer wrote: »
    I'm just waiting for a bond villain to hijack it and demand ransom:)
    http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/sun-will-finally-shine-in-viganella-during-winter/

    viganella_sun_mirror_tqcz6.jpg
    I find it kind of funny how that diagram depicts the sun in a position so that the village should be in direct sunlight. Not convinced? Place a straight edge (a ruler, the side of a sheet of paper, whatever) against the screen, and find the line connecting the sun with the village. Does it hit the mountain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    mikhail wrote: »
    I find it kind of funny how that diagram depicts the sun in a position so that the village should be in direct sunlight. Not convinced? Place a straight edge (a ruler, the side of a sheet of paper, whatever) against the screen, and find the line connecting the sun with the village. Does it hit the mountain?

    At least that sort of error can be easily spotted and doesn't really detract too from the reader's understanding of the content. Artistic renditions of statistics through fancy graphical display on the other hand. . . misleading doesn't even come close! Only a technically minded reader will spot the errors.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    mikhail wrote: »
    I find it kind of funny how that diagram depicts the sun in a position so that the village should be in direct sunlight. Not convinced? Place a straight edge (a ruler, the side of a sheet of paper, whatever) against the screen, and find the line connecting the sun with the village. Does it hit the mountain?
    Don't you know - the sun only shines in one beam!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    In unrelated news, house sellers in Viganella with north facing gardens have just increased their asking prices by 15%.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0




  • Moderators Posts: 52,024 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Italy has adopted a draft bill to scrap a controversial tax exemption for Catholic Church property.
    Crisis-hit Italy has adopted a draft bill to scrap a controversial tax exemption for Catholic Church property in a move that could raise an extra €600m a year.

    The law now allows businesses operating out of Church property such as hotels and restaurants not to pay property tax as long as the building also has some religious function, such as a chapel or an adjoining monastery.

    The Italian government promised this month to remove the exemption following an outcry among many Italians who are already hard pressed by an austerity drive that has raised taxes and slashed budgets to avoid bankruptcy.

    "(Prime Minister) Mario Monti informed the cabinet that he has presented an amendment to the Senate... on the immediate abrogation of rules on exemption for properties where commercial activity is not exclusive," the cabinet said.

    Property that is exclusively for non-commercial use such as churches will continue to be exempt from tax.

    The European Commission had opened an investigation into the loophole in 2010 on suspicion of anti-competitive behaviour.

    The Italian Catholic Church - considered separate from the Vatican state, which has sovereignty - owns around 100,000 properties worth €9bn, including churches, schools, universities and hospitals.

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    The National Association of Italian Communes has said the extra revenue for state coffers could be around €600m a year.

    Source

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Vaginella; the town where the sun don't shine ;)

    (you'll never forget that name now)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand




  • Moderators Posts: 52,024 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DNA nanorobot could offer targeted treatment of cancer
    We've seen various experimental approaches that aim to increase the efficacy of chemotherapy while also reducing its damaging side effects by specifically targeting cancer cells. The latest encouraging development comes from Harvard's Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering where researchers have created a barrel-like robotic device made from DNA that could carry molecular instructions into specific cells and tell them to self-destruct. Because the DNA-based device could be programmed to target a variety of cells, it could be used to treat a range of diseases in addition to providing hope in the fight against cancer.

    The team based their programmable nanotherapeutic approach on the body's own immune system in which white blood cells circulate in the blood ready to attack an infection where it has developed. Just like white blood cells that are able to hone in on specific cells in distress and bind to them, the researchers created a DNA barrel that can recognize and seek out combinations of cell-surface proteins, including disease markers.

    By folding strands of DNA in what is known as the "DNA origami" method, the researchers create a three-dimensional open barrel shape whose two halves are connected by a hinge. The container is held shut by special DNA latches that reconfigure when they find their specific target - cancer cells, for example - causing the two halves to swing open and expose the container's payload. These payloads can be of various types, including molecules with encoded instructions that can interact with surface signaling receptors.

    Shawn Douglas, Ph.D., and Ido Bachelet, Ph.D., used the DNA barrel to deliver instructions encoded in antibody fragments to two different types of cancer cells - leukemia and lymphoma. Since leukemia and lymphoma speak different languages the messages were written in different antibody combinations. But the message was the same - activate the cell's so called "suicide gene," which will cause a cell to kill itself through apoptosis.

    It is the researchers' modular approach, which allows different hinges and different message payloads to be switched and swapped, that gives the system the potential to treat a variety of diseases.

    Although DNA nanotechnology has been widely recognized for its potential as a delivery mechanism for drugs and molecular signals because of its natural biocompatibility and biodegradability, there have been significant hurdles concerning its implementation - what type of structure to create; how to open, close, and reopen that structure to insert, transport and deliver a payload; and how to program the device.

    The Wyss researchers overcame the first two problems by creating a barrel-shaped structure with no top or bottom lids. This allows the payloads to be loaded from the side while the structure is closed instead of having to first open the structure, insert the payload, and then re-close it. Meanwhile, for the programming problem they developed a mechanism that responds to proteins. While other systems use release mechanisms that respond to DNA or RNA, proteins are more commonly found on cell surfaces and are largely responsible for transmembrane signaling in cells.

    The researchers say theirs is the first DNA-origami-based system that that uses antibody fragments to convey molecular messages, offering a controlled and programmable way to replicate an immune system response or develop new types of targeted therapies.

    Source

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    A DNA nanorobot dumping its payload after contacting the surface of the target cell doesn't seem as good as a viral delivery system that would penetrate the target cell. It's all good stuff though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    lYDPSq4iKOY

    Hilarious.

    Wow, that bit about the quote from the 40's really caught him on the hop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    http://www.nazarethvillage.org/

    Oil Lamp. " . . it also generates conversation". :) (I'd love to get in on THAT conversation)


    James Randi speaks about this 'Disney Land' type venture in Nazareth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzQC1zKesU

    I only discovered Randi today. He's excellent.

    Randi explains the fraud behind psychics. (He is/was offering $1 million for any psychic who could provide evidence for the supernatural).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Z7KeNCi7g

    But, you already knew this. Although, he is entertaining.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch




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