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Trocaire Boxes

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  • #32
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    syklops wrote: »
    Years ago my sister was told by the teacher to bring in money the next day for the 'black babies'. So my sister, who was either four or five at the time, went home and announced that she needed some money for "a black baby", so my mother gave her 50p. The next day, the teacher collected the money and that was it. My sister was very upset when she came home, and after much crying and sobbing it turned out she thought that for her 50p she would get a 'black baby' to keep for herself.


    Did she grow up to become Angelina Jolie?


  • #33
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Kiera wrote: »
    I was playing CoD with him and someones user name was F**K.... and stupid me says out loud "oh look at fúck playing along with us" "Euro in the Trocaire box, Kiera"

    Dammit :mad::mad::mad:

    A euro? tell him to go f**k himself and then put 10 cents in,


  • #34
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Great stories all. :)

    There was war in our house one year when I was about 10. About 2 weeks into Lent, the Trocaire box was bulging with so many coins it looked like it was about to burst. This was not normal. It normally took our family the full 40 days of Lent to fill it up. The mammy was beside herself with with glee at the prospect of a tenner (or better) going back to my school on collection day, as opposed to the usual fiver.

    The box was emptied out to save it from tearing apart. Lo and behold, the box was found to be bulging with mere coppers.... ha'pennies, pennies, two pence pieces & the odd 5p piece. All of the 50p, 20p, 10p coins and the odd 1 pound note that we had all put into it were gone. :mad:

    My mother hit the roof. She put my brother and sister and I thru the Spanish Inquisition. When no one admitted their guilt, we were all sent to bed with no tea. Even worse, our pocket money for next two weeks was forfeit to the Trocaire box to make up for our supposed thievery. Talk about injustice ! :(

    Twenty years later and my brother and sister and I still talk about it. No has ever admitted their guilt or been busted on their guilt. I blame the baby sitter from next door myself ! :D

    f**k that sh*t, my ould man took the money outta the trocaire box to go down the pub...the night before it was due to go back. I grassed him up the next day to the teacher and told him it was only a lend.


  • #35
    lastlaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    FFS.:mad: Wouldn't even a half of that be a reasonable salary for a CEO of a charity?

    Ah come on now, there's a lot of responsibility involved in dishing out other people's money!


  • #36
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    lastlaugh wrote: »
    Ah come on now, there's a lot of responsibility involved in dishing out other people's money!
    Oh yeah!;)


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  • #37
    jaja321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    FFS.:mad: Wouldn't even a half of that be a reasonable salary for a CEO of a charity?

    In fairness, he is responsible for managing a very significant budget, funded by a variety of donors, in 20+ countries around the world. Do you think running a charity of that size is somehow less responsibility than running a successful business? I don’t think his salary is extortionate given the level of responsibility he has. If no one wants to donate to them fair enough, but I think criticising his salary without giving any weight to the level of responsibility he has is pretty unreasonable.


  • #38
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    smash wrote: »
    You're supposed to just feed coppers to black Roma babies on the streets instead these days

    fixed that for you


  • #39
    Susie_Q
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Susie_Q


    lastlaugh wrote: »
    Ah, aren't they great.

    All they want to do is feed starving people (and line their own pockets in a lot of cases)


    Source?


  • #40
    lastlaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    Susie_Q wrote: »
    Source?

    I think Tax Revenue is the source? ;)


  • #41
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    i'm racist so i just put broken glass in my trocaire box


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  • #42
    jaja321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    lastlaugh wrote: »
    I think Tax Revenue is the source? ;)

    You think or you know? Perhaps you should link to a source where it shows that Trocaire is lining the pockets of its staff.


  • #43
    phasers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    My Brothers and I went to different schools and we all used to lie and say we already had one in the house. Those things are a pain in the hole to carry back to school after Lent.

    Apparently the local sweet shop saw a huge surge in sales every year on the day they were due back at school :pac:


  • #44
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    later12 wrote: »
    As bad as things were in Ireland in the 1950s, its people did enjoy freedom from extreme levels of poverty, war, disease and famine resembling what was rife in Africa at that time. Any such comparison is quite preposterous.
    Not really. It was practically the same. Without the bombs and bullets. We are very quick to forget how poor people were in Ireland then. And there was no foreign support for them.

    Without the bombs and bullets... and famine... and drought... and lack of any basic infrastructure, or educational infrastructure.

    Seriously. Whatever about 1850, which is probably when Ireland was last remotely comparable to an African nation, Ireland had the same GDP/capita as Italy in 1950 (which placed it approximately within the top 30 in the world at that time). Not really comparable to Ethiopia then, or anywhere in sub Saharan Africa.

    Comparing 1950's Ireland to a typical sub saharan economy is quite incredible.


  • #45
    Jake187
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Jake187


    later12 wrote: »
    As bad as things were in Ireland in the 1950s, its people did enjoy freedom from extreme levels of poverty, war, disease and famine resembling what was rife in Africa at that time. Any such comparison is quite preposterous.

    You failed to see the point.
    People had nothing in Ireland. But yet charities were still looking for people to give.

    ... give what.


  • #46
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Jake187 wrote: »
    You failed to see the point.
    People had nothing in Ireland. But yet charities were still looking for people to give.

    ... give what.
    No, I'm not arguing that Irish people were wealthy as some objective fact, I'm arguing that they were wealthy relative to African standards. You are claiming that Ireland was essentially comparable with Africa in the 1950's; that is blatantly untrue.

    In terms of GDP per capita, Ireland was way ahead of the rest of the world in 1950. It was fairly poor by European standards, yet richer than Spain, Greece, and much of Central & Eastern Europe. It was certainly far richer than Africa both in terms of distributed income levels and life expectancy (by a long shot). Not a single country in sub Saharan Africa enjoyed life expectancies of an Irish standard - many were half, some even less than half.

    While Ireland was not a rich country by its current standards in the 1950s, my issue here is with your frankly daft suggestion that a country whose wealth was comparable to Italy would also be comparable in any sane way to famine, drought, war and disease-ridden Africa. That is total rubbish.


  • #47
    Jake187
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Jake187


    later12 wrote: »
    No, I'm not arguing that Irish people were wealthy as some objective fact, I'm arguing that they were wealthy relative to African standards. You are claiming that Ireland was essentially comparable with Africa in the 1950's; that is blatantly untrue.

    No. you are wrong.
    You have just made a very poor attempt at redeeming yourself/Masking your mistake. Dont believe me? re-read my original post here:
    Jake187 wrote: »
    My dad, who is in his 60s, has often said that in the 1950s when your average person didnt have a pot to p*ss in, were being tapped to help the 'poor black babies of africa' ... I said it before, i'll say it again, 'Charities' are a business.

    You took me up wrong so I responded with:
    Jake187 wrote: »
    You failed to see the point.
    People had nothing in Ireland. But yet charities were still looking for people to give. ... give what.

    There in black and white. But yet you had to come back with:
    later12 wrote: »
    While Ireland was not a rich country by its current standards in the 1950s, my issue here is with your frankly daft suggestion that a country whose wealth was comparable to Italy would also be comparable in any sane way to famine, drought, war and disease-ridden Africa. That is total rubbish.

    Do you understand my posts?
    I dont mean to be rude but its like you are brushing through my posts trying to spot a flaw. something you can argue with.

    do ....you....understand....that...no... one...had...anything.....to....give?????....that...people....could....barely....feed...themselves....let....alone...give....to...charity....to...another....country? .... Do you understand later12?


  • #48
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Jake187 wrote: »
    No. you are wrong.
    You have just made a very poor attempt at redeeming yourself/Masking your mistake. Dont believe me? re-read my original post here:



    You took me up wrong so I responded with:



    There in black and white. But yet you had to come back with:



    Do you understand my posts?
    I dont mean to be rude but its like you are brushing through my posts trying to spot a flaw. something you can argue with.

    do ....you....understand....that...no... one...had...anything.....to....give?????....that...people....could....barely....feed...themselves....let....alone...give....to...charity....to...another....country? .... Do you understand later12?

    The point you seem to be making is that Ireland did have a pot to piss in, to use the term which you choose to employ. You're drawing some comparison between Ireland and Africa, as though both were equally badly off. They were not. Ireland was poor by European standards in 1950, on a par with Italy. Yet it was rich by most African standards, and comfortable by all African standards in 1950.

    How much Ireland could reasonably have donated is questionable: yet I believe it did donate generously to Africa in the 1950s and I think that somewhat disproves your point that it had nothing to give.


  • #49
    Jake187
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Jake187


    later12 wrote: »
    The point you seem to be making is that Ireland did have a pot to piss in, to use the term which you choose to employ. You're drawing some comparison between Ireland and Africa, as though both were equally badly off. They were not. Ireland was poor by European standards in 1950, on a par with Italy. Yet it was rich by most African standards, and comfortable by all African standards in 1950.

    How much Ireland could reasonably have donated is questionable: yet I believe it did donate generously to Africa in the 1950s and I think that somewhat disproves your point that it had nothing to give.


    are you dense? :confused:
    do you not understand that the average person in the 50s was struggling to provide for ones own family?

    can you not grasp that?
    so what were they meant to give?
    the shirts off the back?
    the money for food for the next week?
    Mate, it wasnt the late 90s with disposable income to burn.


    are you seriously clutching at straws trying to win an argument or something? :confused:


  • #50
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Jake187 wrote: »
    are you dense? :confused:
    do you not understand that the average person in the 50s was struggling to provide for ones own family?

    can you not grasp that?
    so what were they meant to give?
    the shirts off the back?
    the money for food for the next week?
    Mate, it wasnt the late 90s with disposable income to burn.


    are you seriously clutching at straws trying to win an argument or something? :confused:
    No. I'm using statistics to demonstrate Ireland's position relative to the African states, and the fact that Ireland evidently did give generously to Africa in the 50's; both of which render your question "give what?" rather redundant.

    Clearly Ireland did donate. Therefore it had resources to donate.


  • #51
    Jake187
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Jake187


    later12 wrote: »
    No. I'm using statistics to demonstrate Ireland's position relative to the African states, and the fact that Ireland evidently did give generously to Africa in the 50's; both of which render your question "give what?" rather redundant.


    Man, you are living in your own head.
    My posts were all about what were people meant to give in the 50s. As they had nothing themselves. Thats all my point was. As I said, re-read my posts.


    wait ...
    I am dealing with a person who wants to be right. You took me up wrong and doing your best to mask the fact you took me up wrong :)


    Get a life Later12 :) Its not healthy to prove yourself right to some joe blow you dont know on the net.


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  • #52
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    There hasn't been a trocaire box in our house since I left primary school.

    I remember once the carnival came to our village, myself and my sisters went over with the few pounds that were given to us, we went through them in about an hour. We went home to see if we could get more and our parents were gone, we raided the trocaire box and went back and had money to stay for another couple of hours.


  • #53
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Jake187 wrote: »
    Man, you are living in your own head.
    My posts were all about what were people meant to give in the 50s. As they had nothing themselves.
    But they did. They did have money, they did have resources. We know this because they donated them, quite famously so.

    Resources and money may have been scarce in Ireland in the 1950s, but to suggest that Ireland had nothing, when it was demonstrably more wealthy and better off than poverty stricken Africa, is blatantly and visibly untrue. If you can't, or won't, admit your error in suggesting that Ireland had nothing, then that's your own issue.


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