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Nightclub marketing gone too far?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Talk about over thinking it. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    smash wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Wow, a smug face in place of actually trying to explain your perspective. You'll really go to any lengths to avoid thinking about the corrosive social effect of all the "innocent fun" you're so enamoured of.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Wow, a smug face in place of actually trying to explain your perspective.
    I explained myself loads of times!
    You'll really go to any lengths to avoid thinking about the corrosive social effect of all the "innocent fun" you're so enamoured of.
    Yea ok then. I did think about it, and I said you're over thinking it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭keepkeyyellow


    'if you're not up for it, don't cum'

    If you've ever read a book or seen a movie about rape you've probably heard the rapist saying 'it's obvious you want it you're cumming' or something to that line. There's a difference between having a scantily clad girl on a club poster and making light of sexual violence. To be quite honest I don't think rape is something to be made light of, it's slowly turning into the new gay. Like how you didn't mean that the movie was gay gay just stupid gay, pretty soon people are going to be making light of joke rape and not actual rape.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    If you've ever read a book or seen a movie about rape you've probably heard the rapist saying 'it's obvious you want it you're cumming' or something to that line.
    Never heard that to be honest.
    There's a difference between having a scantily clad girl on a club poster and making light of sexual violence. To be quite honest I don't think rape is something to be made light of, it's slowly turning into the new gay. Like how you didn't mean that the movie was gay gay just stupid gay, pretty soon people are going to be making light of joke rape and not actual rape.
    The club are not making light of sexual violence. It's a saying, and it has nothing to do with rape. People are taking from it what they want, and the majority according from the poll don't find it offensive at all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    smash wrote: »
    These young people are adults in the eyes of the the law, and believe me they know about the implications of sexual assault. Do you not remember the 15yr old who claimed rape on junior cert last year? She knew damn well what she was doing. The people going to Alchemy know too. They're not all going expecting every woman there to be an easy lay.

    Statatory rape, or just rape?
    And if it was statatory, where do you draw the line? Does a twelve year old 'know what they are doing', an eleven year old? Any specific age in mind?

    With regards to the event, looks kinda lame. If I were to go I'd wear a suit to challenge gender constructions (and troll peoples) :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭keepkeyyellow


    smash wrote: »
    Never heard that to be honest.


    The club are not making light of sexual violence. It's a saying, and it has nothing to do with rape. People are taking from it what they want, and the majority according from the poll don't find it offensive at all.

    Read Push and be honest with me, what wouldn't the women in the photo be up for, and why would the promoter use cum instead of come. Like honestly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭theg81der


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77157424&postcount=8102
    I find this ad extremely disturbing the other one doesn`t bother me really except that it`s clearly showing more of the same attitude. Maybe someone (lacking in intellect like most drunk men) may take this ad literally....who knows the directions seem clear, theres no room for ambiguity - is there? I think this is incitement....to me it looks like she is stumbling drunk and has just been shagged/raped(?) what do you see?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Statatory rape, or just rape?
    And if it was statatory, where do you draw the line? Does a twelve year old 'know what they are doing', an eleven year old? Any specific age in mind?
    Rape. She was caught having sex in the toilets with another kid her own age. The bouncers asked them to leave and they were going, but the bouncers told them they couldn't walk off on their own as they're under 18 and they were the club's responsibility so they needed to call the parents. At the point she claimed rape because she didn't want her parents to think she'd sleep with a random stranger. She dropped the charges the next day and owned up to it.
    With regards to the event, looks kinda lame. If I were to go I'd wear a suit to challenge gender constructions (and troll peoples) :pac:
    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    yawha wrote: »
    You don't think there's any implications whatsoever in terms of the message sent to young people and attitudes towards sexual assault etc. ?

    One employee of Alchemy came out on facebook and was a flat out victim blaming cunt.

    http://www.universitytimes.ie/?p=8518
    That's shocking. The "marketing team" behind the promotion is full of absolute morons. That article really annoyed me, I hope this isn't let lie.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 778 ✭✭✭UsernameInUse


    I can't believe a nightclub advert of a woman promoting an event has got so much attention in here. It's 2012 and *shock horror*, adults are actually having sex and enjoying it...

    F*ck this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    I sow those ****y adds on telly and I still can't put my finger on this.. Wtf are they advertising? Rent-a-slut?! Some dating number?! Night club? I am 25, and honestly I can't understand wtf they advertising in there. Can anyone explain me?!

    Lulz! That cannot be a real ad! "go fcuk yourself!" That said, 10 yoyos a month is pretty good... I don't get why it has to be so overtly sexual though? would they not have some young wan phoning her ma to tell her want she wants for dinner? Probably more realistic!


    RE: sluts&suits.... they're just giving the people what what they want, I guess. At least you know what you're getting when you walk into a place like that...


    *slips off wedding ring*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭Caraville


    On the plus side, crappy tacky ads like that at least make me want to stay away from those kind of nightclubs, kind of reverse psychology type thing. So it's not all bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭darragh16


    I'll stick with Coppers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    And if their lawyer manages to secure an acquittal based on the argument that the flyer created a perception in the rapist's mind that any woman in Alchemy on a Monday would be up for it?

    Not to mention the fact that this does not occur in a vacuum. Perceptions regarding the boundaries of acceptable conduct are shaped by what a person sees and hears around them. That's why shaming drunk drivers worked so well; it changed the perception around the act of driving drunk in a real and measurable way. Will a non-rapist become a rapist because of Alchemy's flyer? Probably not, but the flyer will have an impact upon how some people view the female patrons of the nightclub - and the women in the city who might be dressed like the women who were in the nightclub. Add all those social cues up and perceptions are changed significantly - and Alchemy's contribution to that perception has been crassly negative and unpleasant.

    What we should ban this because the legal system is f*cked? Maybe we should fix the legal system if this is happening.

    We should organise a book flyer burning. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,954 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Alchemy - where the lads look about 14 and the lasses are skanks!!:cool: Or maybe it's just that I'm getting old...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭validusername1


    The only people that advertising like that is gonna attract is horny men.
    I doubt much females would attend..

    But to answer the question, nah I don't think it has gone too far. That kinda stuff sells these days. Advertisements like that would attract the type of people who just wanna get wrecked drunk, i.e., people who will spend a lot of money there. Can't blame the place for trying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Sex sells and nightclubs need all the business they can get,


    Enjoy lambay OP :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Barbara3


    Nothing new


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Id still bet you have dry ****e birds who wont do anything going


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Horchata


    Has anyone mentioned that the 7th of March is a Wednesday and not a Monday??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    wasnt there a place in dublin last year that had a promo that gave cheap/free drink to women that came in their underwear or something like that?

    as for this ad, meh, sex sells and if people are that offended by teh ad then they are pridish IMO

    Soes the ad say "i'm here and i want it"? so all peopel in the club are fair game? only an idiot would think that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Faolchu wrote: »
    wasnt there a place in dublin last year that had a promo that gave cheap/free drink to women that came in their underwear or something like that?

    It was a free drink when you handed in a pair of underwear. There was uproar for no reason. Basically it was a free shot or crap drink and people arrived with packs of pennies 5 for €2 underwear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    Midnight/Alchemy have released this statement:

    Jamie White -
    "After a lengthly review on these matters, Aoife Campbell and all other members of this group on behalf of Midnight thank you for bringing these issues to our attention.

    You were right to raise concerns and establish this group, the graphic should have never been published. Not only that but the matter in which your initial complaint was addressed was, upon review an embarrassment.

    I have introduced a new complaints procedure throughout our business whereby we will welcome complaints and will address them immediately to better our business.

    There was a massive breakdown internally whereby this graphic and indeed others in the past were published. I have introduced a brand manager within Midnight to oversee all events, flyers, graphics etc. In future we will strive to be a market leader in this area with the highest standards achievable.

    Likewise there was a considerable breakdown in communication internally whereby individuals within our business thought it right to comment and interact with this group. On behalf of Midnight I unreservedly want to apologise for any offense that was made through these comments. The views and comments made by the individuals concerned are not that of the business as a whole nor my own and again I would like to apologise on their behalf.

    I want to thank all members of this group for bringing these matters to our attention, had you not, we would have never known what offense we had caused. I can assure now that we have reviewed our strategy going forward and all comments, suggestions etc. within this group are being taken on board. Furthermore, I would like to invite anyone that has recommendations or suggestions for our business going forward to meet with me. Again, in future our goals to be a market leader in this area with the highest standards achievable.

    Ultimately we are trying to build a business that caters to the needs and wants of students and that supports them. The idea that something we've done has led to offense is a complete contradiction to our goals for this business.

    Again, I really want to apologise to all concerned.... We've built this business over the last six years, we've invested these years in to building something we can be proud of. This whole situation has been a horrible slur on our image and our part a massive embarrassment."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭keepkeyyellow


    But the problem is that this isn't sex, it's rape. I don't see how people aren't getting that I've shown the poster to friends and they all say the same thing...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    This is their new one
    http://omg.wthax.org/alchemy.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    Acacia wrote: »
    Lulz! That cannot be a real ad! "go fcuk yourself!" That said, 10 yoyos a month is pretty good... I don't get why it has to be so overtly sexual though? would they not have some young wan phoning her ma to tell her want she wants for dinner? Probably more realistic!

    That's the problem with advertisers these days-they imagine the average young person's life is like Skins when it's really like the Inbetweeners :pac:.

    By they way am I the only one who thought that 48 ad. was for a new TV show?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    But the problem is that this isn't sex, it's rape. I don't see how people aren't getting that I've shown the poster to friends and they all say the same thing...

    How does an image of a girl pulling up her underwear beside a beer can autOmatically mean she was raped ?

    Do you honestly think anyone is stupid enough to honestly think that this poster means the club condones rape.

    At the end of the day , if you dont like the advertising dont go to the club , dublin has an abundance of nightclubs and you can vote with your wallet about their advertising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭Honey-ec


    TheZohan wrote: »
    It's not a patch on the new "48" mobile phone adverts from o2.

    They're nothing to do with O2, they just piggy-back on the network. Much like Tesco Mobile.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    Honey-ec wrote: »
    They're nothing to do with O2, they just piggy-back on the network. Much like Tesco Mobile.

    They're owned by Telefonica who also own O2-all the same company.


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