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pub serv. TAX FREE PENSION LUMP SUMS TO COST THE GOVERNMENT €600,000,000.00 THIS YEAR

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  • #62
    Oafley Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    I love how gigino has to post this in after hours because he well knows that his drivel can't stand up to any of the analysis that it'd get in the politics forums.

    People like gigino are a mystery to me, ranting and raving about issues that they seem happily ignorant about. There's no real analysis, no insight just hysterical chest beating. Give the amount of energy he devotes to this extremely important issue you'd at least think he might try to critically engage with the material he presents but no like a well trained monkey he just dances away to the familiar organ tune. Its was this sort of irritantial exuberance and lack of thinking that helped get us into this mess in the first place, does anyone really think that the same failures will get us out.


  • #63
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    woodoo wrote: »
    Was it not elected politicians that decided.

    On the advice of the country's 'top' civil servants in the dept. of finance.


  • #64
    benway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭benway


    On the advice of their mates in Anglo, more like. Or can the private sector do no wrong at all?


  • #65
    The_Thing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    I love how gigino has to post this in after hours because he well knows that his drivel can't stand up to any of the analysis that it'd get in the politics forums.

    People like gigino are a mystery to me, ranting and raving about issues that they seem happily ignorant about. There's no real analysis, no insight just hysterical chest beating. Give the amount of energy he devotes to this extremely important issue you'd at least think he might try to critically engage with the material he presents but no like a well trained monkey he just dances away to the familiar organ tune. Its was this sort of irritantial exuberance and lack of thinking that helped get us into this mess in the first place, does anyone really think that the same failures will get us out.

    His application for a job with the IMF was rejected as they felt Ireland would be better served if he was posting here in AH and keeping us all amused.


  • #66
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    The Waterford Crystal Workers did the same. In August 2008 the company asked for a €25m LOAN to help keep the company afloat. They were told to eff off by the same Government that squandered billions on the banks.

    So pardon me if I don't agree with your outlook on these 'wonderful' people. 'The public good' my hole. Their own pocket.
    I remember them saying at the time that it wasn't the governments job to bail out private business, roll on a few month and they guarantee the f***ing banks!:mad:


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  • #67
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    benway wrote: »
    On the advice of their mates in Anglo, more like. Or can the private sector do no wrong at all?
    The banks, fianna fail & the developers, a cesspool of scum!


  • #68
    gigino
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭gigino


    Seanchai wrote: »
    I'm sure that Gigino, being British, would be more than willing to oblige.
    Actually I'm as Irish as anyone else, born and bred in Ireland like my ancestors before me. Not that my nationality is any of your business, or of any relevance to this thread.
    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    I love how gigino has to post this in after hours because he well knows that his drivel can't stand up to any of the analysis that it'd get in the politics forums.

    People like gigino are a mystery to me, ranting and raving about issues that they seem happily ignorant about. There's no real analysis, no insight just hysterical chest beating.
    I was quoting from the Sunday Business Post, which I bought and which has pages devoted to it.;)


  • #69
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Hold on a minute. If you follow Independent Newspapers at this time closely you'll find it suddenly went into deep investigations into Enterprise Ireland, and other sections of the public service, following this refusal by Enterprise Ireland and these sections to bail out O'Reilly's investment in Waterford Crystal.

    What the plebs rarely notice is how other sections of O'Reilly's interests, to be precise Independent Newspapers, then gang up on the very same state elements which protect our interests.

    This state should never be used to bail out Anthony O'Reilly and his failures, particularly when he threatens to use Independent Newspapers to undermine the careers of civil and public servants who refuse the demands of his companies like Waterford Wedgwood.

    Irish people are still depressingly ignorant of the unrivalled power Anthony O'Reilly exerts in Irish political life by virtue of threatening to unleash the dogs of his newspapers on any organisation, individual or politician who stands in the way of his business interests.

    The Irish state was 100% correct to refuse to give any more money over to O'Reilly's Waterford Wedgwood.

    But is right to borrow 400m a week for PS wages et al to keep these people in the lifestyle they're accustomed to? Then pay out lump sums and pensions which the "State" (nice term) hasn't got? Yeah, leaving a company that was worth millions in tourism go to the wall instead was a truly wonderful decision. Sweet Jesus.:rolleyes:


  • #70
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The_Thing wrote: »
    His application for a job with the IMF was rejected as they felt Ireland would be better served if he was posting here in AH and keeping us all amused.

    Trouble is, the truth is quite bitter. If it wasn't so serious, the amusing thing is the PS reps on here with their heads up their own arses, hoping it will all go away somehow.


  • #71
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    tigger123 wrote: »
    The usual suspects are all over this thread, like broken records that just go round and round and round and round ...

    Yeah, it's terrible in a way, before I opened the thread the usual names popped into my mind. I guess it is like a hobby for some, though Freud looked at racism as the "narcissism of minor differences", when the person becomes focused/obsessed on the difference between them and the Other. It is an interesting comparison the more I think on it.

    The thing is people don't realise the effect this mass exodus will have on the skill level in various sectors. I'm there much longer but only paying the pension for the last 11 years so it wasn't worth my time looking at the offer [I think I get my LSI Long Service Increment next month, for what it's worth:rolleyes:] . However, it is the people with long service and therefore high quality skills that are leaving and they will be missed over the coming months.


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  • #72
    benway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭benway


    In the interests of full disclosure, I am not in the PS, but my job means that I work closely with them. My impression is that incompetence, lethargy, jobsworths, money-for-nothing, corruption and downright stupidity are equally prevalent on both sides of the line.

    Actually, I can only think of one, maybe two, examples of real incompetence on the PS side that I deal with. And, as it happens, I know one senior public servant I know has been off the payroll for nearly a month now, but is still coming in to help out and to wrap things up.

    I'm just sooooooo sick of people stoking this public/private divide, as if there's any reality to it ... repeat after me:

    This is not a valid opportunity to put the boot into the public services;
    We can't expect people to forego the pensions they've worked 40 or 50 years for;
    The public sector isn't the problem anyway, it's the price of bailing out the banks;
    What does AJF and co expect them to do anyway, commit seppuku?


  • #73
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Odysseus wrote: »
    However, it is the people with long service and therefore high quality skills that are leaving and they will be missed over the coming months.

    Can I ask who organised it? This was on the cards before FF retired themselves early. It's been on the cards for months like. Who organised the cross training before the staff left ?


  • #74
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Yeah, it's terrible in a way, before I opened the thread the usual names popped into my mind. I guess it is like a hobby for some, though Freud looked at racism as the "narcissism of minor differences", when the person becomes focused/obsessed on the difference between them and the Other. It is an interesting comparison the more I think on it.

    The thing is people don't realise the effect this mass exodus will have on the skill level in various sectors. I'm there much longer but only paying the pension for the last 11 years so it wasn't worth my time looking at the offer [I think I get my LSI Long Service Increment next month, for what it's worth:rolleyes:] . However, it is the people with long service and therefore high quality skills that are leaving and they will be missed over the coming months.

    It's not worth engaging with people with such an agenda, it's a waste of energy.

    From the media coverage it's been receiving there's a real brain-drain going on at the moment, there's a lot of skills and expertise being lost because of this. I think it may have been a bit short sighted by the Government... I'm not even sure how much money it's going to save in the long run???


  • #75
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    squod wrote: »
    Can I ask who organised it? This was on the cards before FF retired themselves early. It's been on the cards for months like. Who organised the cross training before the staff left ?

    Sorry are you asking why other in the same building are not trained to do the work of others?

    In my case it would be illegal for me to do some work that members of my team do; and I'm not qualified [and vise versa] to do some of the work that members of my team do.

    Seriously cross training??????

    I don't want to sound like I'm attacking you, but cross training is not suitable for a lot of professionals. To think that I can just take on another team members responsibilities, we are not all office/admin workers.


  • #76
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Oafley Jones wrote: »
    I love how gigino has to post this in after hours because he well knows that his drivel can't stand up to any of the analysis that it'd get in the politics forums..

    He is permabanned from Irish Economy and i think Politics too for droning on and on and on and on and on about the same thing. :D


  • #77
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    But is right to borrow 400m a week for PS wages et al to keep these people in the lifestyle they're accustomed to?

    They are borrowing that money for welfare and all other government costs too. Not just to pay public servants.


  • #78
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Sorry are you asking why other in the same building are not trained to do the work of others?

    In my case it would be illegal for me to do some work that members of my team do; and I'm not qualified [and vise versa] to do some of the work that members of my team do.

    Seriously cross training??????

    I don't want to sound like I'm attacking you, but cross training is not suitable for a lot of professionals. To think that I can just take on another team members responsibilities, we are not all office/admin workers.


    Seriously? You don't cross train? I'd expect every modern company to have cross training policies in place. Whether you're a bio-chemist or you're frying burgers. That's the way business is run.

    Professionals cross train because they know better than to leave their role to chance. This is fundamental stuff.


  • #79
    benway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭benway


    squod wrote: »
    Seriously? You don't cross train? I'd expect every modern company to have cross training policies in place. Whether you're a bio-chemist or you're frying burgers. That's the way business is run.

    Professionals cross train because they know better than to leave their role to chance. This is fundamental stuff.
    Doesn't happen in my office, where there would be no massive legal or practical impediment. Damned private sector inefficiency.


  • #80
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    There is definitely scope within after hours for more discussion on this topic. However the use of caps lock and the numeric representation of loads of zeros designed for MAXIMUM SHOCK VALUE X 10000000000.0000090% whiffs of a bash agenda that doesn't really deserve more discussion tbh.


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