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Boithre Iarainn tonight TG4
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16-02-2012 07:45PM#1
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What gives you that idea??
It was one of the (very) few lines where people had some bottle to fight its closure.
Harcourt st line closed without so much a whimper.
I agree about the West Cork line protests but there was also a lot of criticism of the Harcourt Street closure and suggestions of ways of saving money on its operation. The main difference being that people living in middle class/upper middle class areas are less likely to man the barricades or march on the Dail than their country cousins. Anyway it would have made no difference to Todd Andrews with his staunchly anti-British/Protestant views (Foxrock solicitors etc). Perhaps he closed the West Cork for the same reason - to get at the Protestants in Bandon.
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Recall years back, heading to West Cork by road and seeing the various viaducts associated with the WCR, including the prominent Chetwynd on the outskirts of Cork City. There was an interesting story doing the rounds in Cork years back (and perhaps still is) about this viaduct. It's to do with the sport of road bowling. A famous road bowler is supposed to have lobbed bowls up and over the viaduct.
Back in the late sixties I remember walking part of the alignment out past Turner's Cross and I seem to recall the tracks were still in position and in quite good nick.
An interesting programme about the history of this line - it should be up on the player shortly, so I can take a closer look at the old footage. No 90 featured a few times and some other locomotive also.
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Mick Barry (AFAIK) was the name of the bowler, and he did loft it with a 28oz bowl. Yes it was the late sixties maybe even 1970/1971 before the last rails were lifted.steamengine wrote: »Recall years back, heading to West Cork by road and seeing the various viaducts associated with the WCR, including the prominent Chetwynd on the outskirts of Cork City. There was an interesting story doing the rounds in Cork years back (and perhaps still is) about this viaduct. It's to do with the sport of road bowling. A famous road bowler is supposed to have lobbed bowls up and over the viaduct.
Back in the late sixties I remember walking part of the alignment out past Turner's Cross and I seem to recall the tracks were still in position and in quite good nick.
An interesting programme about the history of this line - it should be up on the player shortly, so I can take a closer look at the old footage. No 90 featured a few times and some other locomotive also.0 -
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Judgement Day wrote: »I agree about the West Cork line protests but there was also a lot of criticism of the Harcourt Street closure and suggestions of ways of saving money on its operation. The main difference being that people living in middle class/upper middle class areas are less likely to man the barricades or march on the Dail than their country cousins. Anyway it would have made no difference to Todd Andrews with his staunchly anti-British/Protestant views (Foxrock solicitors etc). Perhaps he closed the West Cork for the same reason - to get at the Protestants in Bandon.
As if there were any left in Bandon!
The West Cork went as, like most lines in Ireland, it simply didn't have the numbers to keep it going economically. A return day trip to Cork from Bantry, even after AEC railcars and A Class locos were tried on the line and found to speed things up, was still as good as impossible given it's poor build while it's freight traffic was chiefly local point to point traffic, with little long distance goods to speak off. Certainly, better timetabling could have addressed some of it's passenger numbers but with the then legal expectation for CIE to pay it's way, subventing lines with no reasonable or special trade on them was out of the question.0 -
Losty Dublin wrote: »It's what's called a joke. Cork People should try them out sometime
You know what, you should try standup sometime. Comic genius.0 -
Losty Dublin wrote: »As if there were any left in Bandon!
The West Cork went as, like most lines in Ireland, it simply didn't have the numbers to keep it going economically. A return day trip to Cork from Bantry, even after AEC railcars and A Class locos were tried on the line and found to speed things up, was still as good as impossible given it's poor build while it's freight traffic was chiefly local point to point traffic, with little long distance goods to speak off. Certainly, better timetabling could have addressed some of it's passenger numbers but with the then legal expectation for CIE to pay it's way, subventing lines with no reasonable or special trade on them was out of the question.
The WCR was badly built much like the WRC. Poor speeds and the advent of the car sealed its fate. if it hadn't closed in 1961, it would not have survived the 1967 or the 1976 culls. That said, parts of it could and should have been saved and been used for Cork City commuter traffic. Bandon - Cork and Kinsale - Cork should have been saved, the rest chopped.
Then again Todd Andrews shut perfectly viable railway lines, Waterford - Tramore, Dublin - Navan and Harcourt Street to Bray lines.0 -
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steamengine wrote: ».
Back in the late sixties I remember walking part of the alignment out past Turner's Cross and I seem to recall the tracks were still in position and in quite good nick.
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I beleive that the track out to the junction and back into the Capwell was in position at this time as you say in order to shift oil tankers with fuel for the buses into the Capwell Bus Depot as it had become.This went on quite late and probably up to the time they closed the Cork City Railway.0 -
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There was a connection between the CBSCR and Cork & Macroom at Ballyphehane but I thought it was long gone by the time of closure - I used to have all Colm Creedon's books where the undoubtedly all the info could be found. Perhaps Steve Johnson's Railway Atlas & Gazetteer? Better still I'll ask Joe St.Leger.
Joe tells me he was never down the line into Capwell but thinks the connection was gone at the time of closure. Incidentally, he tells me that a picture of the last 'railtour' on the West Cork in 1965, which reached the buffer stop at the bridge by the South Infirmary, was in the Examiner recently.0 -
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