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Palestinian hunger striker - 61 days, detained without charge, near death

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  • #122
    ItsAWindUp
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    I wonder will there be a violent backlash if he dies?


  • #123
    Einhard
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    It seems to me that, although this guy might be a nasty piece of work, he hasn't been charged with anything, and therefore ought to be released. Internment for long periods is wrong whether it's carried out by the Americans, by the Brits in the North, by the Palestinians themselves, or by the Israelis.

    It's utterly counter-productive too, as the Brits learned the hard way up North.


  • #124
    Dudess
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    Warper wrote: »
    What the Israelis are doing to the Palestinian people is akin to what the Nazis did to the Jewish people. How ironic that the victims of Holocaust are now performing their own Holocaust. Only this time there are no Allies to save the persecuted due to political, financial reasons mainly attributed to the US who does nothing out of fear of losing votes. Look away World and pretend that everything is fine. The story of the Palestinian people is one of the saddest parts of our history.
    No way is it as bad as the Holocaust, and people aren't pretending it's fine - there's plenty of support, but it's just not powerful enough support.


  • #125
    Ronin247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    wes wrote: »
    Nonsense, there are peace deals with both Jordan and Egypt.

    Also an offer for peace from the entire Arab league:
    Text: Arab peace plan of 2002

    Israel chose settlements over peace time and time again.

    There have been countless peace plans rejected by both sides,the 2002 peace plan basically wanted a return to all 1967 borders and the Palestinian people to be given the right of return.
    Israel have agreed before to cede most if not all the territories from 1967 but the right of return is a big sticking point
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return.

    So the 2002 Arab League proposed "peace plan" was, give us back any territory we lost in the 1967 wars and accept 4 million new citizens who hate you and we will be nicer.Cannot understand it being rejected.


  • #126
    token101
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    No they haven't. The current problems only began when zionists started arriving from europe with their plan to ethnicly cleanse Palestine of its native population and to colonialise the land.



    Do you believe we needed to hear the German side of the story about WWII and everything that happened during it?

    Israel is stealing land. For some reason it was unaccpetable for Serbs to do so, but the international community generally gives a nod and a wink to Israel to carry on with its crimes.

    There's no comparison. What's happening in Israel is a war for territory, or a land grab as you have essentially called it. The Jews in WW2 were unmercifully slaughtered for no reason other than being Jewish. Germany never came under attack from Jewish interests. Those backing the Jews never declared that Germany should be wiped off the map.

    I never said Israel was right to carry on settlement building. But the quote back along from Hitchens was almost exactly how I feel. The Israelis are there now. Much like the unionists are in Northern Ireland. It's their home now as much as the Palestinians. No one has suggested where they would like Israelis to go if they believe they should leave. I do think the Palestinians should have their state as decreed by the UN and Israelis should stop building settlements immediately. What I am saying is this: the Palestinians have blood on their hands just as the Israelis do. They do not have the moral high ground.

    As regards the blockades and security, there's the list of attacks by the 'innocent' Palestinian militias through the years. It's gone down year after year. So from their perspective their security is obviously working. You can make the argument that it's the civilians that get the brunt of it and they are the ones dying from all this bombing and shelling. But that's the way in every war. Many, many innocents died in the North too. It's not right, but it happens.

    I'm not accusing anyone of being racist, but I do find it strange that whilst I would think, and hope, most would acknowledge that the IRA did some awful and reprehensible things in an almost identical situation, no one here will even acknowledge that about the Palestinians.


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  • #127
    Nodin
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    No one has denied things happened which should not have. However they're an occupied people, badly armed, denied the protection of the law. The other crowd are a first world nuclear power backed by the last remaining superpower expanding their borders.


  • #128
    Nodin
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    Ronin247 wrote: »
    There have been countless peace plans rejected by both sides,the 2002 peace plan basically wanted a return to all 1967 borders and the Palestinian people to be given the right of return.
    Israel have agreed before to cede most if not all the territories from 1967 but the right of return is a big sticking point
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return.

    So the 2002 Arab League proposed "peace plan" was, give us back any territory we lost in the 1967 wars and accept 4 million new citizens who hate you and we will be nicer.Cannot understand it being rejected.

    And of course the peace talks where they essentially dropped the notion of the right to return altogether...
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/23/palestine-papers-expose-peace-concession
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/24/palestinians-10000-refugees-return-israel?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487


  • #129
    token101
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    Nodin wrote: »
    No one has denied things happened which should not have. However they're an occupied people, badly armed, denied the protection of the law. The other crowd are a first world nuclear power backed by the last remaining superpower expanding their borders.

    It's a bit strange the way you're referring to terrorist atrocities as 'things that shouldn't have happened'. Israel never used nukes or even talked of it. The US aren't the last remaining superpower. Palestine are backed by much of Western Europe, Russia and China.


  • #130
    Nodin
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    token101 wrote: »
    It's a bit strange the way you're referring to terrorist atrocities as 'things that shouldn't have happened'. Israel never used nukes or even talked of it..

    Its an indicator of military technology, which is why I menioned it.
    token101 wrote: »
    The US aren't the last remaining superpower. Palestine are backed by much of Western Europe, Russia and China.

    ....fascinating. You might compare the benefits they've derived from this 'backing' with the benefits Israel has derived from its backer. I'd be interested to see the results.


  • #131
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    I find it Pretty sickening that Israel Apologists are here calling him a terrorist and bringing up people attacking Israel.

    Here you have a man making a NON VIOLENT Protest, attacking no-one but himself and still people are smearing him with their own preconceptions.

    I'd like if everyone in Israel followed his example.


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  • #132
    guitarzero
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    Right, this word terrorist being thrown around, wft is a terrorist? Does it actually hold any meaning any more? Did it ever?

    One group of people recruit, arm and deliver commands to attack an enemy. They wear some kind of camouflage, organize themselves in strategic groups and target certain people they deem as being a strategic target to debilitate the opposition.

    The other do the exact same, if not worse, but are "Legitimate" according to those who grant legitimacy, which somehow gives them justification despite all of the mentioned above.

    Whenever 'Terrorist' is used in any discussion I just switch off a bit, its so Fox Newsy.


  • #133
    later12
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    seamus wrote: »
    ...I can't see the Israelis feeling any pressure to release him. As far as they're concerned, if he dies than that's a result for them.
    I don't understand this mentality.

    I generally am more likely to take the Palestinian side than that of the Israelis in political discussions relating to the Israeli palestinian conflict, but I'm just curious as to what exactly could have led you to make that statement? (I'm just using you as an example, it was repeated elsewhere in the course of the thread).

    Do people really believe that 'the Israelis' (as though they think and act en bloc) celebrate each Palestinian loss of life? Even when it is likely to even further damage their perception abroad?

    I really don't buy that. I think that the Israeli authorities are possibly acting in an unhelpful and a typically regressive way toward this man's protest, but to suggest, as others have done, that they will celebrate or welcome his demise:confused: I don't think that's a very valid assumption to make, I think it is unhelpfully emotive.


  • #134
    Zebra3
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    token101 wrote: »
    There's no comparison. What's happening in Israel is a war for territory, or a land grab as you have essentially called it.

    It took just the second sentence for you to lie.

    There is no war for territory in Israel. The zionists have already stolen that land.

    Israel is illegally occupying and colonialising territory outside its internationally recognised borders.

    It is engaged in a slow, long drawn out racist campaign to change the demographics of the West Bank. Bit by bit increase the population of their illegal colonies, bit by bit make life for the native population unbearable so they'll leave.

    Israel has demolished over 12,000 Palestinian homes since occupying the West Bank in its ethnic cleansing campaign, yet the western media only tended to show it happening to the families of suicide bombers (as if that was some how acceptable), but I doubt the same thing happened to the family of Israeli überterrorist Baruch Goldstein.


  • #135
    lividduck
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    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    I find it Pretty sickening that Israel Apologists are here calling him a terrorist and bringing up people attacking Israel.

    Here you have a man making a NON VIOLENT Protest, attacking no-one but himself and still people are smearing him with their own preconceptions.

    I'd like if everyone in Israel followed his example.
    Each to their own view, to me this guy is a terrorist, and his suicide will cause more deaths and more carnage, he is no better than the scum who murdered the Israeli athlethes in Munich in 1974, or who blow up buses in tel Aviv.
    What sickens me is the apologists for terrorism who can barely shroud their virulent anti semitism.


  • #136
    Einhard
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    lividduck wrote: »
    Each to their own view, to me this guy is a terrorist, and his suicide will cause more deaths and more carnage, he is no better than the scum who murdered the Israeli athlethes in Munich in 1974, or who blow up buses in tel Aviv.
    What sickens me is the apologists for terrorism who can barely shroud their virulent anti semitism.

    Ummm don't think anyone is apologising for terrorism here. If you believe that this man deserves to be held without charge for the length of time that he is, then you're doing more damage to the notion of justice, a core tenet of Western democracy, than any terrorist could dream of.

    And where's the virulent anti-semitism? I criticise Ireland sometimes- does that mean I'm virulently anti-Irish?


  • #137
    Zebra3
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    lividduck wrote: »
    Each to their own view, to me this guy is a terrorist, and his suicide will cause more deaths and more carnage, he is no better than the scum who murdered the Israeli athlethes in Munich in 1974, or who blow up buses in tel Aviv.
    What sickens me is the apologists for terrorism who can barely shroud their virulent anti semitism.

    What about the scum who murdered Ahmed Bouchiki in Norway?

    What about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre ?


  • #138
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    lividduck wrote: »
    Each to their own view, to me this guy is a terrorist, and his suicide will cause more deaths and more carnage, he is no better than the scum who murdered the Israeli athlethes in Munich in 1974, or who blow up buses in tel Aviv.
    What sickens me is the apologists for terrorism who can barely shroud their virulent anti semitism.

    Wow,

    Just wow.

    You sir are utterly incapable of rational thought or debate or objectivity.

    Innocent Man, starving himself to death. You can bandy anything around that you want.

    Its like this:

    This has NOTHING to do with any of that other nonsense, Utterly irrelvant crap. Anti Semetism? What is anti semetism? I am against Israel's genocide. That is Israels POLITICAL Agenda. It has nothing to do with it's religious views?

    Why people always follow the same path

    Israel commits X Atrocity

    Holocaust
    Holocaust
    Anti Semetisim

    It gets old


  • #139
    Zebra3
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    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Wow,

    Just wow.

    You sir are utterly incapable of rational thought or debate or objectivity.

    Innocent Man, starving himself to death. You can bandy anything around that you want.

    Its like this:

    This has NOTHING to do with any of that other nonsense, Utterly irrelvant crap. Anti Semetism? What is anti semetism? I am against Israel's genocide. That is Israels POLITICAL Agenda. It has nothing to do with it's religious views?

    Why people always follow the same path

    Israel commits X Atrocity

    Holocaust
    Holocaust
    Anti Semetisim

    It gets old

    He doesn't even know what a semite is.


  • #140
    cloptrop
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    ok I know very little on this conflict I believe the palestinians used to live there then the isrealis moved in. War ensues.
    Where do the taxes go? Is this a movement of people war , eg we dont want jews living next to us ,
    or a money war , eg pay your taxes to isreal?


  • #141
    wes
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    Ronin247 wrote: »
    There have been countless peace plans rejected by both sides,the 2002 peace plan basically wanted a return to all 1967 borders and the Palestinian people to be given the right of return.

    Except that it doesn't ask for the right to return at all. Read the text, and you will see the following:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1844214.stm

    b. Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian Refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194.

    It says a "just solution", so your claim is easily disproved fiction, as the text does not say what you claim it does. A "just solution" is a deliberate choice on there part, as it could mean just as easily mean compensation for the refugees, and some limited right of return on the basis of family reunification, or various other solutions. Simply put, Israel made up a reason to reject, and anyone who has read the text would see that right away.
    Ronin247 wrote: »
    Israel have agreed before to cede most if not all the territories from 1967 but the right of return is a big sticking point
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_right_of_return.

    Israel hasn't agreed to give up that actually. They want to keep most of there settlements and all of Jerusalem, which would make a viable Palestinian state impossible:
    Israel proposes West Bank barrier as border

    --SNIP--
    [The officials said Israeli envoy Yitzak Molcho told his Palestinian counterpart that Israel wants to keep east Jerusalem and consolidate Jewish settlements behind the separation barrier, which slices close to 10 percent off the West Bank. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing strict no-leaks rules by Jordanian mediators.

    The proposal would fall short of what the Palestinians seem likely to accept, especially because it would leave Jerusalem on the "Israeli" side of the border.
    --SNIP--

    So again what your saying is untrue.
    Ronin247 wrote: »
    So the 2002 Arab League proposed "peace plan" was, give us back any territory we lost in the 1967 wars and accept 4 million new citizens who hate you and we will be nicer.Cannot understand it being rejected.

    Except the peace plan says no such thing.Simply put you made something up, and I have shown as per the actual text, that the peace plan does not say what you falsely claim.

    Also, Israel has no right to the Palestinian territories, which they stole in 1967. Plenty of UN resolution etc show the illegality of any Israeli claims to any of it.

    So basically, Israel make up a reason, that anyone who bothered to read the text of the offer would know was a lie, and then you present the blatant and easily disproved lie as an actual reason for Israel's complete and utter contempt for the peace offer. Add to this the constant ongoing land theft, and its pretty clear that Israel does not want peace, but rather land, and to state other wise is to deny reality, and to make excuse for Israel ongoing role in perpetuating the conflict.


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  • #142
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    cloptrop wrote: »
    ok I know very little on this conflict I believe the palestinians used to live there then the isrealis moved in. War ensues.
    Where do the taxes go? Is this a movement of people war , eg we dont want jews living next to us ,
    or a money war , eg pay your taxes to isreal?

    LOL

    in Short, Brits establish a "homeland" for displaced Jews from Europe in Palestine, they murder in or around 200,000 of the locals to do it, once the state is established it has a right of return for jews all over the world. They systematically isolate the native populations into the west bank, the gaza strip, and systematically oppress, starve, blame and marginalise them allowing them no right to vote, no participation in the state but grant a certain number work permits to come clean toilets a few days a week on minimum wage. They systematically bulldose their homes without warning to make way for new Jewish Settlers.

    The locals are miffed and take up arms, the Israeli government divides any revolutions by signing accords with the weakest factions over and over, these weak factions want power and foreign money so they sign up but of course without popular support cannot get anything sold to their own populations. Then Israel uses these accords as "proof" that the Palestinians are reneging on agreements.


    Its a long long history, read up on it


  • #143
    Zebra3
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    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    LOL

    in Short, Brits establish a "homeland" for displaced Jews from Europe in Palestine, they murder in or around 200,000 of the locals to do it, once the state is established it has a right of return for jews all over the world. They systematically isolate the native populations into the west bank, the gaza strip, and systematically oppress, starve, blame and marginalise them allowing them no right to vote, no participation in the state but grant a certain number work permits to come clean toilets a few days a week on minimum wage. They systematically bulldose their homes without warning to make way for new Jewish Settlers.

    The locals are miffed and take up arms, the Israeli government divides any revolutions by signing accords with the weakest factions over and over, these weak factions want power and foreign money so they sign up but of course without popular support cannot get anything sold to their own populations. Then Israel uses these accords as "proof" that the Palestinians are reneging on agreements.


    Its a long long history, read up on it

    And all of it backed/funded by the honourable peace-loving Americans.


  • #144
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    Wow,

    Just wow.

    You sir are utterly incapable of rational thought or debate or objectivity.

    Innocent Man, starving himself to death. You can bandy anything around that you want.

    Its like this:

    This has NOTHING to do with any of that other nonsense, Utterly irrelvant crap. Anti Semetism? What is anti semetism? I am against Israel's genocide. That is Israels POLITICAL Agenda. It has nothing to do with it's religious views?

    Why people always follow the same path

    Israel commits X Atrocity

    Holocaust
    Holocaust
    Anti Semetisim

    It gets old
    Wow,
    I call Khader Adnan what he is, a terrorist and you get upset.
    This guy was a spokesman for Islamic Jihad, look them up, look at what they have done and stop making this guy out to be some kind of hero.
    He is determined to be a martyr and know his suicide will lead to more violence.
    jihadists like him are a danger to all of us.


  • #145
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    khadar Adnan is a senior member of Islamic Jihad and a former spokesman for that Group which is classed as a Terrorist group by The US, The EU, Canada , Australia and others.
    Here are just some of the atrocities that he and his mates have claimed responsibility for:
    August 1987: The PIJ claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed the commander of the Israeli military police in the Gaza Strip.[2]
    • July 1989: Attack of Egged bus 405 along the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv Highway, at least 14 people killed (including two Canadians and one American) and dozens more wounded. Though intended to be a suicide attack, the perpetrator survived.[14]
    • February 4, 1990: A bus carrying Israeli tourists in Egypt was attacked. The attack left 11 people, including nine Israelis, dead and 17 others injured.[15]
    • December 1993: Killed an Israeli reservist, David Mashrati, during a public bus shooting.
    • April 1994: A car bomb aboard a public bus killed nine people and injured fifty.
    • January 1995: Suicide bombing attack near Netanya killing eighteen soldiers and one civilian.[16]
    • April 1995: Suicide bomb in Netzarim and Kfar-Darom. The first bomb killed eight people and injured over 30 on an Israel bus. The second attack was a car bomb that injured twelve people.
    • March 1996: A Tel Aviv shopping mall is the site of another suicide bombing killing twenty and injuring seventy five.
    • November 2000: A car bomb in Jerusalem at an outdoor market killed two people and injured ten.[17]
    • June 2001: Suicide bomb attack at a Tel Aviv nightclub killing twenty-one people.[16]
    • March 2002: A suicide bomber killed seven people and injured approximately thirty aboard a bus travelling from Tel Aviv to Nazareth.[17]
    • June 2002: Eighteen people are killed and fifty injured in a suicide attack at the Meggido Junction.[16]
    • July 2002: A double suicide attack killed five people and injured 40 in Tel Aviv.
    • May 2003: Three people killed and eighty-three injured in a suicide bombing at a shopping mall in Afula.
    • August 2003: A suicide bomber killed twenty-one people and injured over one hundred on a bus in Jerusalem.[17]
    • October 2003: Suicide bomber killed twenty-two and injured sixty at a Haifa restaurant.
    • October 2005: A bomb detonated in a Hedera market was responsible for killing five people.
    • April 2006: Suicide bomb in Tel Aviv killed eleven.
    • January 2007: Both the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the PIJ claim responsibility for a suicide bombing at an Eliat bakery that killed three.[16]


  • #146
    wes
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    lividduck wrote: »
    khadar Adnan is a senior member of Islamic Jihad and a former spokesman for that Group which is classed as a Terrorist group by The US, The EU, Canada , Australia and others.
    Here are just some of the atrocities that he and his mates have claimed responsibility for:

    Do you have a shred of evidence that Khadar Adnan was responsible for any of that. Oh wait you don't. Also, care to tell me what he accused of doing, oh wait you can't either. Looks to me, that you have nothing at all, and it shows how farcical your position is.

    Also, I could easily list a huge number of Israeli atrocities, and I take you would support the internment of any Israeli government spokes person on that basis, right? After all if you didn't then that would make you a massive hypocrite.....


  • #147
    Nodin
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    lividduck wrote: »
    khadar Adnan is a senior member of Islamic Jihad and a former spokesman for that Group which is classed as a Terrorist group by The US, The EU, Canada , Australia and others.
    .......

    Then why isn't he charged with a crime and sentenced?


  • #148
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    wes wrote: »
    Do you have a shred of evidence that Khadar Adnan was responsible for any of that. Oh wait you don't. Also, care to tell me what he accused of doing, oh wait you can't either. Looks to me, that you have nothing at all, and it shows how farcical your position is.

    Also, I could easily list a huge number of Israeli atrocities, and I take you would support the internment of any Israeli government spokes person on that basis, right? After all if you didn't then that would make you a massive hypocrite.....
    By his own admission and by that of islamic jihad he is a member of that organization. He is also a former spokesperson for that organization. Therefore he is as responsible as if he had personally carried out the attacks.
    I have no sympathy for those who carry out such atrocities as those carried out by these terrorists.


  • #149
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    wes wrote: »
    The Israeli's (and tbh the US and many other Western countries), don't particularly care about the lives of Palestinians. They will claim he is a terrorists or come up with some other lie to smear him, and say he deserved to die or some other excuse. He won't be released and he will sadly die, and his name will be probably be smeared with all sorts of lies.
    lividduck khadar Adnan is a senior member of Islamic Jihad

    This :rolleyes:


  • #150
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    lividduck wrote: »
    By his own admission and by that of islamic jihad he is a member of that organization. He is also a former spokesperson for that organization. Therefore he is as responsible as if he had personally carried out the attacks.

    No he isn't and he isn't a spokes person anymore, so jailing him on the basis of past association with out any charge, make your position doubly farcical. You know you don't have a leg to stand.
    lividduck wrote: »
    I have no sympathy for those who carry out such atrocities as those carried out by these terrorists.

    I have no sympathy for either Israeli or Palestinian terrorists, but unless someone was actually involved, holding them guilty for the actions of other even when they are a member of the same organization is absurd, and goes against any concept of justice.

    Quite frankly, your logic is exactly the same as Islamic Jihad who justify attacks on Israeli civilians on the basis that they are all members of the IDF at some point. So for you to condemn them, when your own logic is identical is quite frankly amazing imho.


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  • #151
    bwatson
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    It took just the second sentence for you to lie.

    There is no war for territory in Israel. The zionists have already stolen that land.

    Israel is illegally occupying and colonialising territory outside its internationally recognised borders.

    It is engaged in a slow, long drawn out racist campaign to change the demographics of the West Bank. Bit by bit increase the population of their illegal colonies, bit by bit make life for the native population unbearable so they'll leave.

    Israel has demolished over 12,000 Palestinian homes since occupying the West Bank in its ethnic cleansing campaign, yet the western media only tended to show it happening to the families of suicide bombers (as if that was some how acceptable), but I doubt the same thing happened to the family of Israeli überterrorist Baruch Goldstein.



    ;):)


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