Ireland wastes 70 million on barbarisim

dvpower · 17-02-2012 09:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb.

steddyeddy wrote: »

http://examiner.ie/business/farming/bovine-tb-badgers-and-buyers-beware-175735.html

Thats what the department spends on tb control.

Is the €70m what they plan to spend or what they have already spent?.
Is this figure for badger culls or for the TB control program in general?
Is it a once off cost or an annual cost?

The figures you're giving us here are a bit all over the shop.

Dyr · 17-02-2012 09:29PM

How about we start culling farmers? They've been spreading fianna failism for decades.

Dr. Manhattan · 17-02-2012 09:32PM

Bambi wrote: »

How about we start culling farmers? They've been spreading fianna failism for decades.

Of all the animals I thought might start the fightback, Bambi wasn't even on the list :pac:

El Weirdo · 17-02-2012 09:33PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1ObUMFWMo

44leto · 17-02-2012 09:45PM

Bambi wrote: »

How about we start culling farmers? They've been spreading fianna failism for decades.

Bear traps, right beside the slurry pits.

AngryBollix · 17-02-2012 09:48PM

I prefer beaver.

I wouldnt mind trapping some later

hooradiation · 17-02-2012 09:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The methods used are snares which are on a par with animal traps in africa! The animals starve to death slowly often.

I call shenanigans on all of this.

AngryBollix · 17-02-2012 09:51PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1ObUMFWMo

A trap on the arse is what you get for your TB

gurramok · 17-02-2012 09:52PM

Too much culchie stuff in this thread, double dutch to me :mad:

SafeSurfer · 17-02-2012 09:57PM

OP you completely undermine your credibility when you state

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb

and then link to an Irish Times article which does not mention the figure you state anywhere. The 70 million is spent on a comprehensive TB eradication programme, among other diseases, which has been on going for many years and does NOT represent a badger killing budget as you imply. Your post is inaccurate and misleading.

You should change the title thread to Ireland spends 70 million on disease control in animals, or would this not suit your agenda?

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 09:59PM

hooradiation wrote: »

I call shenanigans on all of this.

Which part? The snares? Or the method of death resulting from snares?

BengaLover · 17-02-2012 10:00PM

Look at AU, the government have to cull thousands of kangaroos each year as they are viewed as pests.
I didnt think badgers were viewed as pests here, as you dont really see them round and about.

stupidusername · 17-02-2012 10:10PM

gurramok wrote: »

Too much culchie stuff in this thread, double dutch to me :mad:

What are you having a problem understanding?

44leto · 17-02-2012 10:15PM

stupidusername wrote: »

What are you having a problem understanding?

When you start talking about those cow things us dubs are lost. You might as well talk about binomial equations.

stupidusername · 17-02-2012 10:16PM

44leto wrote: »

When you start talking about those cow things us dubs are lost. You might as well talk about binomial equations.

it's an animal that can get a disease, you don't really need to know anything else.

Local-womanizer · 17-02-2012 10:18PM

stupidusername wrote: »

it's an animal that can get a disease, you don't really need to know anything else.

I thought a cattle was used to boil water?

:pac:

hooradiation · 17-02-2012 10:25PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Which part? The snares? Or the method of death resulting from snares?

The method of death. Snares are used (because Badgers are a] noturnal and b]fucking vicious) but "left to starve?"
Get out.

44leto · 17-02-2012 10:25PM

stupidusername wrote: »

it's an animal that can get a disease, you don't really need to know anything else.

Its a scary terrifying beast that can eat you, keep them down the sticks is what I say.

Ignore me I am just trolling.

But why are farmers reluctant to vaccinate here. I remember this debate during the last TB outbreak. I don't remember the reasons against.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 10:26PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

OP you completely undermine your credibility when you state

and then link to an Irish Times article which does not mention the figure you state anywhere. The 70 million is spent on a comprehensive TB eradication programme, among other diseases, which has been on going for many years and does NOT represent a badger killing budget as you imply. Your post is inaccurate and misleading.

You should change the title thread to Ireland spends 70 million on disease control in animals, or would this not suit your agenda?

This year the disease eradication programme will employ 75 staff and cost €70 million — and there’s growing evidence that the money is wasted because badger culling doesn’t work

http://www.examiner.ie/opinion/columnists/dick-warner/end-the-slaughter-of-our-beautiful-badgers-174473.html

From the Irish examiner. 70 million has been allocated to disease control this year alone. Tb is the biggest infectious diseases in ireland so it makes sense that their spending a significant amount of that. My agenda is to prevent pointless cruelty and prevent a massive waste of money on a plan based on faulty science.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 10:27PM

hooradiation wrote: »

The method of death. Snares are used (because Badgers are a] noturnal and b]fucking vicious) but "left to starve?"
Get out.

Are you joking?? How can a badger trapped in a snare aquire food, order take away?

stupidusername · 17-02-2012 10:28PM

44leto wrote: »

Its a scary terrifying beast that can eat you, keep them down the sticks is what I say.

Ignore me I am just trolling.

But why are farmers reluctant to vaccinate here. I remember this debate during the last TB outbreak. I don't remember the reasons against.

hmm ok.

I would be interested in the reasons they would be reluctant to vacintate, it may be good. Might have something to do with the product (milk/meat) quality.

hooradiation · 17-02-2012 10:29PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Are you joking?? How can a badger trapped in a snare aquire food, order take away?

Or, and bear with me because i think this might blow your mind, they are shot.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 10:33PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Or, and bear with me because i think this might blow your mind, they are shot.

No their not the irish wildlife trust had to clean up the mess from the last culling.

The Irish Wildlife Trust (IWT) is opposed to badger culling and the use of snares. Not only is it barbaric and unethical, recent findings have shown it to be ineffective in the war on bovine TB. Badgers can die over extended periods struggling in these hideous devices while their young starve underground. Nobody has ever counted badgers accurately in this country and while it has always been assumed that they are common animals, this can no longer be taken for granted.

hooradiation · 17-02-2012 10:35PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

No their not the irish wildlife trust had to clean up the mess from the last culling.

Yes they are.
I know this because I've been present when it's being done.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 10:36PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Yes they are.
I know this because I've been present when it's being done.

Maybe a few are but as the irish wildlife trust says many are not. All off them cant be shot in time.

downwithpeace · 17-02-2012 10:39PM

I thought a gamekeeper or someone would at least check the traps daily and kill any badger found rather then letting the poor thing starve.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 10:39PM

downwithpeace wrote: »

I thought a gamekeeper or someone would at least check the traps daily and kill any badger found rather then letting the poor thing starve.

So did i but the irish wildlife trust states not all are.

SafeSurfer · 17-02-2012 10:41PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

From the Irish examiner. 70 million has been allocated to disease control this year alone. Tb is the biggest infectious diseases in ireland so it makes sense that their spending a significant amount of that. My agenda is to prevent pointless cruelty and prevent a massive waste of money on a plan based on faulty science.

Glad you are clear on that. The 70 million is not spent on killing badgers. The TB eradication scheme involves cattle testing, vets fees, blood samples, compensation for farmers for destroyed "reactors" etc. The portion of this money devoted to killing badgers would be tiny.
Will you fix your inaccurate and misleading Thread title now?

Run_to_da_hills · 17-02-2012 10:43PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

There rodents you get paid by the government for shooting them and mink

Yet you could get six months from the government if you went out baiting them with dogs.

hooradiation · 17-02-2012 10:46PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Maybe a few are but as the irish wildlife trust says many are not. All off them cant be shot in time.

Most are, after all it's wildly inefficient to let them starve if nothing else.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some are missed, but badgers are creatures of habit , it's how you know where to lay the snares - they follow the same path from the set so it's quite worn, so once you know that laying the snare is trivial so unless you forget where you put it there's not much call for losing it. Also, why run the risk of the badger uprooting the snare?

Then you shoot them in the body from a distance, because they will fucking murder you if you get close.

Yeah, the young ones will starve if there are any (which is why culls are kept to out of breeding season if possible, which is now btw) but if you'd like to root around in a set that may contain another adult badger, be my guest.

Ireland wastes 70 million on barbarisim

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