Ireland wastes 70 million on barbarisim

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 08:39PM #1

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb. The methods used are snares which are on a par with animal traps in africa! The animals starve to death slowly often. The thing is this method does nothing to reduce the amount of tb infected cattle! Scotland dont practice culls and they have a lot less tb infected cattle than ireland!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0213/1224311684912.html

Tax payers shouldnt be funding this. Ireland seems t have a major problem with wildlife! First the golden eagles now this. Are we to mow down any animal that we dont like?

saywhatyousee · 17-02-2012 08:43PM

There rodents you get paid by the government for shooting them and mink

mickgotsick · 17-02-2012 08:44PM

I only go to the barbers once every few weeks

AlmightyCushion · 17-02-2012 08:44PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The thing is this method does nothing to reduce the amount of tb infected cattle! Scotland dont practice culls and they have a lot less tb infected cattle than ireland!!

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

Phill Ewinn · 17-02-2012 08:44PM

How much per badger????

biko · 17-02-2012 08:45PM

So what's your solution then OP?

partyatmygaff · 17-02-2012 08:46PM

I agree.

The government should cut the haircut allowance.

saywhatyousee · 17-02-2012 08:46PM

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

How much per badger????

2 euro i think

KeithAFC · 17-02-2012 08:46PM

I fully support Mr Coveney on this. I think it is very important that the protection beef herds and dairy herds are implemented. Badgers are nice looking animals but do spread TB and it is a real dilemma for farmers. Action has to be taken in my opinion.

Einhard · 17-02-2012 08:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb. The methods used are snares which are on a par with animal traps in africa! The animals starve to death slowly often. The thing is this method does nothing to reduce the amount of tb infected cattle! Scotland dont practice culls and they have a lot less tb infected cattle than ireland!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0213/1224311684912.html

Tax payers shouldnt be funding this. Ireland seems t have a major problem with wildlife! First the golden eagles now this. Are we to mow down any animal that we dont like?

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

Hmmm this thread just got interesting...

Lawrence1895 · 17-02-2012 08:47PM

What's the natural enemy of the badger? Apart from us humans?

44leto · 17-02-2012 08:47PM

I would regard myself as a person who cares for animal welfare and I hate any type of cruelty directed at them. But because our environment is so unnatural the only way to control populations is by culls. They also cull the wild deer as well. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tree left in Dublin mountains.

So unless there is another way it is best they control the badger population by these means.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 08:48PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

research shows that the density of badgers in Ireland is now only 10% of that in equivalent habitats in South West England; and yet, in 2006, Ireland slaughtered 9% more cattle with bovine TB than Great Britain even though the Irish national herd is only 56% the size of Britain's. Even in the north of ireland tb incidence is lower.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 08:50PM

44leto wrote: »

I would regard myself as a person who cares for animal welfare and I hate any type of cruelty directed at them. But because our environment is so unnatural the only way to control populations is by culls. They also cull the wild deer as well. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tree left in Dublin mountains.

So unless there is another way it is best they control the badger population by these means.

We dont need to cull the badger we have hardly any of them compared to most of europe! I agree with culling when needed also but this isnt needed and its costing the tax payer 70 million.

stupidusername · 17-02-2012 08:52PM

I don't understand why this needs to be done - farmers vaccinate for TB in cattle

dirtyden · 17-02-2012 08:54PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

We dont need to cull the badger we have hardly any of them compared to most of europe! I agree with culling when needed also but this isnt needed and its costing the tax payer 70 million.

Where did you get the 70 million figure from?

Dr. Manhattan · 17-02-2012 08:55PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

Do we know for sure the fall is as a result of the badger culling? Over the period of the the fall, have all other factors remained the same? All hygiene, transport and veterinary practises? Were there comparable rises and falls in periods culling v non-culling?

Any passing veterinary epidimiologists able to enlighten?

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 08:55PM

biko wrote: »

So what's your solution then OP?

All cattle owners should have a vacination program in place. Look at scotland it works. They have a lot less tb than us.

Ghandee · 17-02-2012 08:56PM

As long as Bodger gets left alone, I'll be a happy man!

sgb · 17-02-2012 08:56PM

Badger hair makes the finest shaving brushes, so the only advantage I can see is the cost of shaving brushes coming down

stupidusername · 17-02-2012 08:57PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

All cattle owners should have a vacination program in place. Look at scotland it works. They have a lot less tb than us.

oh so there's no obligation on them to vaccinate? It's just I know my dad does, so I assumed it was obligatory.

Sunnyisland · 17-02-2012 08:58PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Where did you get the 70 million figure from?

The badgers bank

sorry steddyeddy.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 08:59PM

Dr. Manhattan wrote: »

Do we know for sure the fall is as a result of the badger culling? Over the period of the the fall, have all other factors remained the same? All hygiene, transport and veterinary practises? Were there comparable rises and falls in periods culling v non-culling?

Any passing veterinary epidimiologists able to enlighten?

Not a vet biochemist is the best I can do for now I know a little about microbiology and Im sure a culling would locally decrease incidence of tb but outside the areas of culling incidents would increase.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 09:01PM

stupidusername wrote: »

oh so there's no obligation on them to vaccinate? It's just I know my dad does, so I assumed it was obligatory.

Yes I have a relation who does to. It isnt only vaccination. Scottish farmers use new farming methods which helps eradicate tb.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 09:02PM

dirtyden wrote: »

Where did you get the 70 million figure from?

http://examiner.ie/business/farming/bovine-tb-badgers-and-buyers-beware-175735.html

Thats what the department spends on tb control.

steddyeddy · 17-02-2012 09:10PM

So even if you absolutly hate animals surely the fact that were wasting 70 million on this is galling to people.

dvpower · 17-02-2012 09:14PM

44leto wrote: »

They also cull the wild deer as well. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tree left in Dublin mountains.

But there would be a plentyful supply of free venison.

Dubit10 · 17-02-2012 09:15PM

I wonder do they taste good, the badgers that is not the bankers.

44leto · 17-02-2012 09:16PM

dvpower wrote: »

But there would be a plentyful supply of free venison.

They actually take them off the mountain when they cull them, but I don't know what they do with the carcass. I would imagine they sell it somewhere.

InTheTrees · 17-02-2012 09:19PM

I saw this thread and I thought it was about haircuts.

70 million on wasted haircuts?

senorwipesalot · 17-02-2012 09:21PM

Brits eh!
800 years of tyranny here then this on the poor arabs.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20070712_british_forces_we_did_not_unleash_man_eating_badgers/

Ireland wastes 70 million on barbarisim

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