Should we follow the Germans? Germany's unemployment rate at record low in December

pickarooney · 04-01-2012 11:28AM

minidazzler wrote: »

Of course we should, we as a people are incapable of electing the right people to government positions, we should really just give up the autonomy and have the Germans take over, they're not complete idiots...that or Michael O Leary.

Imagine the hospitals under O'Leary.

'Would you like to add anaesthetic for €4000 extra?'

ejmaztec · 04-01-2012 01:59PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Imagine the hospitals under O'Leary.

'Would you like to add anaesthetic for €4000 extra?'

...and excess colostomy baggage charge.

Doc Ruby · 04-01-2012 02:06PM

KINGVictor wrote: »

The secret is that the Germans generally have a systemic approach of frugality and live within their means. There is a disciplined approach towards spending - at governmental,firm and household levels.

Their constitution means they aren't allowed to run up big debts nationally, but at the local authority level lots of areas in Germany are deep in hock and finding it hard to finance operations, last I heard. No idea about domestically.

niallo27 · 04-01-2012 02:10PM

KINGVictor wrote: »

The secret is that the Germans generally have a systemic approach of frugality and live within their means. There is a disciplined approach towards spending - at governmental,firm and household levels.

It will be very difficult to follow the Germans as you say without a fundamental change or revision of how the economy is been run.

So your saying they are miserable shower of ****ers.

snooleen · 04-01-2012 02:21PM

Germany had a tax decrease planned and the German public stood up and protested against it as they'd rather pay their debts, even during relatively stable times, than have more money. Somehow I don't seem to remember the Irish public, who are now complaining about how unfair the dole system is, giving a crap about the fact that it's half of government expenditure and is being distributed unfairly during the Celtic Tiger when they had jobs and didn't care what the government was spending it's money on.

ScumLord · 04-01-2012 02:28PM

If the Germans tried their global domination trick again I don't think I'd oppose them, it'd probably be for the best in the long run.

DrumSteve · 04-01-2012 02:32PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

...and excess colostomy baggage charge.

That's grim.

Paddy Samurai · 16-02-2012 11:19PM

Found out last week they fiddle their figure's like every other country.My brother-in law (hes german) told me that they do'nt include anyone who's over two years unemployed,in their unemployed figures.They are reclassified.Go figure

Mercedes alone take on 2000,every year.But when their apprenticeship ends , do mercedes employ them?.

Nodin · 16-02-2012 11:21PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

...and excess colostomy baggage charge.

..which they'd stick in the wrong place.

Leo Dowling · 16-02-2012 11:29PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Of course we should, we as a people are incapable of electing the right people to government positions, we should really just give up the autonomy and have the Germans take over, they're not complete idiots...that or Michael O Leary.

I can't understand this catchphrase of "Michael O'Leary should run X" that's doing the rounds lately. Ryanair is a shambles of an airline, it only gets away with it because it's as cheap as dirt to use it. And on top of that he's a very unpleasant human being.

I wouldn't put him in charge of a chip pan.

mikemac1 · 16-02-2012 11:36PM

They even have laws for purity of beer

Here I am sipping Lidl's Finkbrau and the label informs this passes the law

The German are the best

sock puppet · 16-02-2012 11:40PM

Paddy Samurai wrote: »

Found out last week they fiddle their figure's like every other country.My brother-in law (hes german) told me that they do'nt include anyone who's over two years unemployed,in their unemployed figures.They are reclassified.Go figure

I'm pretty sure their labour force participation rate is similar to other Western countries.

dxhound2005 · 16-02-2012 11:44PM

It has been low since 2007 but I wonder what happened between 2005 and 2007? If you put Ireland in this graph you see the exact opposite for us. But even when we were importing hundreds of thousands of workers from abroad we still had 5% unemployment which makes me think our current real rate is around 10%. We can probably expect the next wave of Germans coming here to get away from it all and live in the back of beyond making cheese.

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=gm&v=74

Doc Ruby · 16-02-2012 11:45PM

Leo Dowling wrote: »

I can't understand this catchphrase of "Michael O'Leary should run X" that's doing the rounds lately. Ryanair is a shambles of an airline, it only gets away with it because it's as cheap as dirt to use it. And on top of that he's a very unpleasant human being.

I wouldn't put him in charge of a chip pan.

How so, its profitable, its effective, and its one of the few success stories to stand out in the global downturn. Maybe they don't wipe your nose for you but if you want to get from a to b they get you there. And its not like any of the others are particularly amazing in terms of service either. I admire O'Leary for his ability to turn any boring meeting or press conference into a circus with himself as the ringmaster.

Temptamperu · 16-02-2012 11:45PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Next summer, we'll also invade Poland.

So, eh, sure.

You do something one time and you never hear the end of it... jeez.

Doc Ruby · 16-02-2012 11:45PM

ScumLord wrote: »

If the Germans tried their global domination trick again I don't think I'd oppose them, it'd probably be for the best in the long run.

Unless you were Jewish.

Ooooooh, low blow. *winces*

hmmm · 16-02-2012 11:49PM

Do you think the Germans would have welcomed negative equity loans or spent ages dithering about whether or not to close our embassy to the Catholic religions main clubhouse? We're a long way from Germany.

Doc Ruby · 16-02-2012 11:52PM

They do deduct a tithe directly from your wages for the catholic church if you're a registered Catholic though, a policy which dates back to the nazi regime.

Thanks for funding that crowd, Germany. Our children thank you.

K-9 · 17-02-2012 12:34AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

They do deduct a tithe directly from your wages for the catholic church if you're a registered Catholic though, a policy which dates back to the nazi regime.

Thanks for funding that crowd, Germany. Our children thank you.

Its all for all churches though, isn't it?

Logical Fallacy · 17-02-2012 12:36AM

KINGVictor wrote: »

The secret is that the Germans generally have a systemic approach of frugality and live within their means. There is a disciplined approach towards spending - at governmental,firm and household levels.

It will be very difficult to follow the Germans as you say without a fundamental change or revision of how the economy is been run.

Plus, the Germans adopted this really novel approach in the face of possible recession and created jobs and stimulated new industry.

It's not something we seem to want to try here though.

Doc Ruby · 17-02-2012 12:39AM

K-9 wrote: »

Its all for all churches though, isn't it?

Catholic donations go to the catholic church. Its exactly how they've managed to keep operational this long.

EGAR · 17-02-2012 12:42AM

http://www.working-in-germany.com/ein-euro-job-0132.html

In the scope of Hartz IV, the so-called one-euro jobs were created for those claiming social security. In officialese, these are called additional jobs or "working opportunities with extra compensation". This should give unemployed persons the possibility to earn a little money in addition to social security and actively participate in working life again. The stated aim is to find the way into permanent employment through this job.

One-euro jobbers are paid about one to two euros an hour, which is defined as extra compensation Social security and the expenditures for accommodation and heating are still paid for. Even the health, nursing care and national insurance are paid for by the Federal Employment Agency as before.

The maximal working time is 30 hours a week. If someone works more than 15 hours a week in a one-euro job, then he is no longer listed in the statistics of the Federal Employment Agency as unemployed. Such a job usually lasts 6 to 9 months. The money paid is tax-free, whereby however, expenditure like travel expenses cannot be written off against tax. The unemployed person is covered by the employer's insurance.

A contract of employment is not concluded. Instead of that, you receive a job-related plan stating the begin, duration, place, scope and distribution or the working time, contents of employment, the amount of extra compensation, industrial safety, liability, accident insurance and leave.

In order to prevent regular jobs from being destroyed by these cheap jobs, one-euro jobs may not be under an employment contract but must be of public interest, be in addition, neutral to competition and be purposeful with regard to the job market. Charitable work and jobs of a temporary nature are what result. Among these are looking after parks, neighbourhood help, youth and senior help. The providers of such jobs are cities/towns, municipalities or public institutions. The Federal Employment Agency offers these jobs to the unemployed. If the job is not taken on, social security can be reduced.

Calibos · 17-02-2012 12:57AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Catholic donations go to the catholic church. Its exactly how they've managed to keep operational this long.

I'd love to see the religious tithe brought in over here. It might make all the 'A la carte' catholics stop and actually think for a moment, "Do I really believe this sh!t?"

Doc Ruby · 17-02-2012 01:09AM

Calibos wrote: »

I'd love to see the religious tithe brought in over here. It might make all the 'A la carte' catholics stop and actually think for a moment, "Do I really believe this sh!t?"

To hell with that, last thing we need is to be handing these jokers any more money.

K-9 · 17-02-2012 01:53AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Catholic donations go to the catholic church. Its exactly how they've managed to keep operational this long.

A German pithe tax? I doubt it considering the worldwide wealth of the Vatican.

I presume any recognised church has the tax. Islam, Judaism etc., as long as it is recognised?

Seems a very archaic tax but there you are.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-02-2012 02:00AM

K-9 wrote: »

A German pithe tax? I doubt it considering the worldwide wealth of the Vatican.

I presume any recognised church has the tax. Islam, Judaism etc., as long as it is recognised?

Seems a very archaic tax but there you are.

When you register your address, you have ro register your religion and an extra 3% tax is taken of you and given to whatever church you register yoruself to be a member of. You don't pay anything if you regester as an athiest.

And before anyone asks, no, I have no idea how they pay it to the Jedi Knights.

As regards the general question, simple answer is Germans didn't go mad taking you 500K loans and spending money they didn't have, so when the credit crucnh hit, they weren't effected as they didn't have all that much on credit. More money, means more spending means the economy keeps moving.

Doc Ruby · 17-02-2012 02:10AM

K-9 wrote: »

A German pithe tax? I doubt it considering the worldwide wealth of the Vatican.

Most of that isn't liquid though, its in assets like acreage and property. If it wasn't for the Germans and their fellow travellers, the church would have to sell off a small country per annum.

Run_to_da_hills · 17-02-2012 02:35AM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Next summer, we'll also invade Poland.

So, eh, sure.

They have already invaded us.

inagoodway · 17-02-2012 02:38AM

to hell or to berlin

whatever the numbers are you can subtract at least 1 person from the german employment figures, it's my best friend, a berliner, he has been on the Hartz IV since 21 years, but now officially "employeed" but it's one of these made up jobs, he gets an extra $9 per day on top of his welfare of $~86 per week

Should we follow the Germans? Germany's unemployment rate at record low in December

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