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T&F IAAF ranking Challenge 2012- Best 5 events count

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  • #32
    Pisco Sour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,029 ✭✭✭Pisco Sour


    donothoponpop wrote: »
    Thats bang on the money asimonov. If you could also give a little report on what got you there/how the race went/ whats next in line, it'll help make this thread something more than just a list of tables.

    Great result btw!:)

    I agree. That's a great time. A bit of chit-chat about it would be good for this thread.

    Donothoponpop, what 5 events have you got your eye on for this challenge?


  • #33
    donothoponpop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    04072511 wrote: »
    I agree. That's a great time. A bit of chit-chat about it would be good for this thread.

    Donothoponpop, what 5 events have you got your eye on for this challenge?

    800m, 5k, maybe steeple, Triple jump, and maybe 400m. Hate the 400m though, its the worst event for pain. Except for the 800m. And the Steeple...

    The triple jump is dependent on my knee, which has been giving some jip. However, with a bit of luck, I'd be hopeful of beating my 26-year old PB, 9:80.
    I don't have the speed any more for the LJ, but have the strength for the triple, and strength can buy you back those cm that have been lost to speed. Great bloody event, the triple!


  • #34
    Pisco Sour
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    donothoponpop wrote: »
    800m, 5k, maybe steeple, Triple jump, and maybe 400m. Hate the 400m though, its the worst event for pain. Except for the 800m. And the Steeple...

    The triple jump is dependent on my knee, which has been giving some jip. However, with a bit of luck, I'd be hopeful of beating my 26-year old PB, 9:80.
    I don't have the speed any more for the LJ, but have the strength for the triple, and strength can buy you back those cm that have been lost to speed. Great bloody event, the triple!

    Any targets in stone for those events?


  • #35
    asimonov
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    donothoponpop wrote: »
    Thats bang on the money asimonov. If you could also give a little report on what got you there/how the race went/ whats next in line, it'll help make this thread something more than just a list of tables.

    Great result btw!:)

    Thanks - i ran it in the leinster indoor champs in Nenagh. This was my second year in m40 class - i won it last year in 10:06 (first indoor race, first 3,000m) and wanted to go back this year to go sub10 and see if i could win it again - running indoors is a real buzz, it seems easier to keep focus compared to outdoor track.

    These races are very uncompetitive really to be honest as there is only a smattering of entrants in each age group. There were two other masters runners (both quicker than me) who were in m35 and they stepped up to the seniors race, so that left about 9 of us in the masters race. As it turned out, I led out from the start, and ended up running it as a time trial, 3:22, 3:16 and 3:15 - finished just short of 30" ahead of the next runners. I think it's the first race i had won in about 25 years - so happy days. But i was happier i set a goal and achieved and felt comfortable for most of it. Last year wasn't the easiest year for me and this felt like a marker that things are slowly coming back.

    Afterwards, I did a 12 mile cool down after around Nenagh (damn marathon training) and was floating on air for it

    I am gonna be stretched in terms of the other 4 events, but I am determined to do them. The 5,000 and 1,500 won't be a problem - I'll run them at the counties and leinster's- but I don't think we have a SC or 10,000 at county level. I'll have to find an open or guest somewhere. If the worst comes to the worst it will be some laughable attempt at sprinting or a jump - just to get some points.


  • #36
    Pisco Sour
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    A couple of events for me tomorrow: 800m and Long Jump. Unlikely the 800m will count for me as one of my 5 events, unless I can get down to 2:20 or so, but the Long Jump should be a solid scorer for me.
    RayCun wrote: »
    I think you're safe :)

    Just reading back over this thread and disappointed by this. Dono is doing a good job trying to give T&F more exposure on an athletics forum (I realise how hilarious it is that that even needs to be done in the first place) and here is one of our mod’s basically just writing the whole thing off insinuating that this competition will not take off. An athletics mod should be getting behind this sort of thing, not sniggering at it with scepticism.


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  • #37
    Brianderunner
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    04072511 wrote: »

    Just reading back over this thread and disappointed by this. Dono is doing a good job trying to give T&F more exposure on an athletics forum (I realise how hilarious it is that that even needs to be done in the first place) and here is one of our mod’s basically just writing the whole thing off insinuating that this competition will not take off. An athletics mod should be getting behind this sort of thing, not sniggering at it with scepticism.

    +1 T&F athletics will be the biggest event in the olympics this summer. It deserves a bit more limelight on here. Hopefully a few more will be inspired to take it up afterwards.
    donothoponpop wrote: »
    The triple jump is dependent on my knee, which has been giving some jip. However, with a bit of luck, I'd be hopeful of beating my 26-year old PB, 9:80.
    I don't have the speed any more for the LJ, but have the strength for the triple, and strength can buy you back those cm that have been lost to speed. Great bloody event, the triple!

    Indeed the TJ is a great event alright. Had a pb of 11.70m when i won the u18 Munsters but havent competed in it for 9 years. Tried it for the craic a couple of years back and barely got 9m, just shows how much you lose doing distance running and not plyometrics etc. I'd love to give it a crack this summer again, would need to work on my step though, that was always weak.


  • #38
    donothoponpop
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    Brianderunner wrote: »

    Indeed the TJ is a great event alright. Had a pb of 11.70m when i won the u18 Munsters but havent competed in it for 9 years. Tried it for the craic a couple of years back and barely got 9m, just shows how much you lose doing distance running and not plyometrics etc. I'd love to give it a crack this summer again, would need to work on my step though, that was always weak.

    Now that I think of it I was closer 10:5x- I remember 11m being the Holy Grail I wanted to hit. (Sands of time, embellished PB's, how are ya;))

    The step was always dependent on the hop- go too far/high on the initial phase, and you were guaranteed one of those curtailed 10-step jogs "feckitfeckitsorrysorry..." to avoid breaking the sand, which an oul fella with a flag had just lovingly raked:D


  • #39
    ecoli
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    04072511 wrote: »

    Just reading back over this thread and disappointed by this. Dono is doing a good job trying to give T&F more exposure on an athletics forum (I realise how hilarious it is that that even needs to be done in the first place) and here is one of our mod’s basically just writing the whole thing off insinuating that this competition will not take off. An athletics mod should be getting behind this sort of thing, not sniggering at it with scepticism.

    In fairness he is not just an athletics moderator the forum is Athletics/Running/Triathlon and as such we tend to gravitate towards the disciplines we are interested in/participate in.

    The fact is that athletics is in the minority within this forum however it is growing (The Fantasy league this year has shown this) as well as new members.

    I think its great to see and Agree that DnP has done a good job both as a moderator and since in terms of pushing this aspect and hopefully it will grow to rival the road running scene as track and field (both here and globally) needs a good shot in the arm


  • #40
    Dan man
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    ecoli wrote: »
    I think its great to see and Agree that DnP has done a good job both as a moderator and since in terms of pushing this aspect and hopefully it will grow to rival the road running scene as track and field (both here and globally) needs a good shot in the arm

    Yikes!! Perhaps not your best turn of phrase ecoli!! Always knew you were a bit suspect :D


  • #41
    Pisco Sour
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    ecoli wrote: »
    In fairness he is not just an athletics moderator the forum is Athletics/Running/Triathlon and as such we tend to gravitate towards the disciplines we are interested in/participate in.

    The fact is that athletics is in the minority within this forum however it is growing (The Fantasy league this year has shown this) as well as new members.

    I think its great to see and Agree that DnP has done a good job both as a moderator and since in terms of pushing this aspect and hopefully it will grow to rival the road running scene as track and field (both here and globally) needs a good shot in the arm

    If they were separate forums then that would be fair enough, but as it is the one forum then a mod is not just a mod of what he/she is interested in, but rather a mod of the entire sport, and therefore IMO has a responsibility to try promote all aspects of that sport among posters and viewers, or at the very least show positive passive support for the idea, rather than just negatively dismiss it.

    For those interested in getting some track races in this coming summer here’s the Graded meets schedule:

    http://www.dublinathletics.com/attachments/163_Graded%20Book%202012.pdf


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  • #42
    RayCun
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    PR for track and field is not one of my responsibilities as a mod :rolleyes:

    The reality is that there have been "Best of 20.." threads in this forum since before I started running :pac: and afaik nobody has ever entered a throw distance or jump height on the threads - not even hurdling, which is mainly running anyway :) Running is a mass participation sport in Ireland these days. Most of those runners - perhaps even most of the runners in this forum - aren't members of an athletics club. Even among club members, I'd guess the number running regularly in track events is a small minority. (It would be an interesting poll for the forum, if it hasn't been done before) And the number of people taking part in non-running events? You'll notice there are no private companies moving in to organise long jump competitions (with medals and t-shirts for everyone taking part!)

    This is not to denigrate athletics. More people can play a bit of guitar than violin - it doesn't mean the guitar is better. I just don't expect this thread to become a mass of tables like the 1000 mile threads.


  • #43
    ecoli
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    Dan man wrote: »
    Yikes!! Perhaps not your best turn of phrase ecoli!! Always knew you were a bit suspect :D

    Probably not. What you mean I am suspect just because I endorse Powerade Turtle Blood Cherry flavour doesn't mean I am not legit:D

    Back on Subject and DAB have published there summer Graded meet fixtures:

    http://www.dublinathletics.com/attachments/163_Graded%20Book%202012.pdf

    Going off these I will have 4 of my 5 events though couple this with 10,000m and National Seniors (hopefully depending on what kinda shape I am in coming close to the time) and my usual National league appearances in the Steeplechase will have a choice without having to hop into the field events (Though given NL in previous years could be called upon in worst case as I have made appearances in the 100mh,400mh and HJ also in recent years :D)

    All in all though should be a fairly full track season


  • #44
    donothoponpop
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    ecoli wrote: »
    In fairness he is not just an athletics moderator the forum is Athletics/Running/Triathlon and as such we tend to gravitate towards the disciplines we are interested in/participate in.

    The fact is that athletics is in the minority within this forum however it is growing (The Fantasy league this year has shown this) as well as new members.

    I think its great to see and Agree that DnP has done a good job both as a moderator and since in terms of pushing this aspect and hopefully it will grow to rival the road running scene as track and field (both here and globally) needs a good shot in the arm

    Yeah to be fair to Ray, its just not his bag, and you can't expect any of the mods to automatically have an interest in all aspects of the forum.

    If it were down to me, I'd just lump all the marathoners and road runners into a jogging forum, or a cake forum. They've had long enough in the limelight, and frankly its been one long whinge about the merits of goody bags and scary hills you'd roll your auntie over. T&F, mountain running, and Tri & AR, should be given much more focus, and leave those pasty-faced famine refugees to their own devices. So you can run like a Very Important Person on the roads while a Garda holds his hands up to stop furious motorists, big swinging mickey; can you Fosbury flop or do a set of 40x100m in the pool or risk everything to sprint down Tonelagee now can ya, eh, eh?


  • #45
    menoscemo
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    Right feck it. I jumped 4.60 as a 13 y/o in the St Patricks academy sports day back when I was 13. Looking at those silly tables, i realise this is my best ever performance in athletics :D Gonna do the graded meets for a laugh and my aim is to beat 123453 in this challenge :pac:


  • #46
    Pisco Sour
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    Right feck it. I jumped 4.60 as a 13 y/o in the St Patricks academy sports day back when I was 13. Looking at those silly tables, i realise this is my best ever performance in athletics :D Gonna do the graded meets for a laugh and my aim is to beat 123453 in this challenge :pac:

    4:60m is considerably better than a 3:2x marathon. Just because one requires miles and miles and lots of sacrifice doesnt make the performance any more than what it is.


  • #47
    RayCun
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    There's a natural order to these things.

    Sprinters start young, and are past it by the time they're old enough to drink.
    GAA types, footballers, hockey players... take up jogging when the post-game drinking has made them unfit for the game itself.
    If the drink really goes to their head, they think they're invincible and start charging down mountains. :eek:
    If the drink goes to their waist they take up triathlon, and let the water and the bike take the strain. :D


  • #48
    ecoli
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    Right feck it. I jumped 4.60 as a 13 y/o in the St Patricks academy sports day back when I was 13. Looking at those silly tables, i realise this is my best ever performance in athletics :D Gonna do the graded meets for a laugh and my aim is to beat 123453 in this challenge :pac:

    4.60 @ 13 thats all ireland winner jumping :eek:

    Think at my best I was about the same (at an older age) though was top 6 at all Irelands back as a juvenille a few times.

    Would love to try it now and see how I got on between my 4.55 in LJ (roughly) and 1.65 in HJ and whether there was any improvement


  • #49
    ecoli
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    RayCun wrote: »
    There's a natural order to these things.

    Sprinters start young, and are past it by the time they're old enough to drink.
    GAA types, footballers, hockey players... take up jogging when the post-game drinking has made them unfit for the game itself.
    If the drink really goes to their head, they think they're invincible and start charging down mountains. :eek:
    If the drink goes to their waist they take up triathlon, and let the water and the bike take the strain. :D


    Tell that to this man who took it up in college

    http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/country=irl/athcode=252052/index.html:D


  • #50
    menoscemo
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    ecoli wrote: »
    4.60 @ 13 thats all ireland winner jumping :eek:

    Think at my best I was about the same (at an older age) though was top 6 at all Irelands back as a juvenille a few times.

    Would love to try it now and see how I got on between my 4.55 in LJ (roughly) and 1.65 in HJ and whether there was any improvement

    Hmmmm maybe my memory is failing me? I definitely won a medal though. was it 3.60 :o


  • #51
    menoscemo
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    04072511 wrote: »
    4:60m is considerably better than a 3:2x marathon. Just because one requires miles and miles and lots of sacrifice doesnt make the performance any more than what it is.

    haha you are not gonna get me so quick.
    According to those tables that you love, my best modern performace is my HM (281pts) and my worst is my mile (181) my 10k is better than my 5k and my Marathon is not far behind (and it is my softest pb by far which I will soon beat).

    Despite all that the one 200m I ran fast in training trumps all these on those tables :confused: You'd think If I was such a fast twitcher then My mile PB would be much better than my long distance pbs...?


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  • #52
    RayCun
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    donothoponpop wrote: »
    Now that I think of it I was closer 10:5x
    menoscemo wrote: »
    Hmmmm maybe my memory is failing me? I definitely won a medal though. was it 3.60 :o

    Where's that "old men and their dodgy PBs" thread? :D


  • #53
    donothoponpop
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Where's that "old men and their dodgy PBs" thread? :D

    The distance didn't matter so much, happy to let that go to memory.Winning the gold medal was what it was all about.


  • #54
    Pisco Sour
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    haha you are not gonna get me so quick.
    According to those tables that you love, my best modern performace is my HM (281pts) and my worst is my mile (181) my 10k is better than my 5k and my Marathon is not far behind (and it is my softest pb by far which I will soon beat).

    Despite all that the one 200m I ran fast in training trumps all these on those tables :confused: You'd think If I was such a fast twitcher then My mile PB would be much better than my long distance pbs...?

    How much training did you do for the mile?

    If you have natural speed (which you certainly do) then you can run a fast 100 and 200 off relatively little training. This is not the case for the mile. I’d be pretty confident that if you took mile training as seriously as you do half marathon and marathon training, you’d be running far better over the mile than you ever will over the marathon.


  • #55
    menoscemo
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    04072511 wrote: »
    How much training did you do for the mile?

    If you have natural speed (which you certainly do) then you can run a fast 100 and 200 off relatively little training. This is not the case for the mile. I’d be pretty confident that if you took mile training as seriously as you do half marathon and marathon training, you’d be running far better over the mile than you ever will over the marathon.

    None other than 5k training which invlolved 200m and 400m intervals.

    we'll see. I'll come back to you when I break 3 hours for a marathon ;)


  • #56
    longjump67
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    +1 T&F athletics will be the biggest event in the olympics this summer. It deserves a bit more limelight on here. Hopefully a few more will be inspired to take it up afterwards.



    Indeed the TJ is a great event alright. Had a pb of 11.70m when i won the u18 Munsters but havent competed in it for 9 years. Tried it for the craic a couple of years back and barely got 9m, just shows how much you lose doing distance running and not plyometrics etc. I'd love to give it a crack this summer again, would need to work on my step though, that was always weak.

    All my pb's were set when I was a fit young man of 17 (24 years ago)
    TJ 13.36m
    LJ 6.88m
    400m H 55.68 secs
    Did do my one and only Decathlon that year so have pb's for Discus, PV, Javelin and Hurdles but dammed if I can remember what they were.:D

    Sorry just realised it was 27 years ago will be 45 this august lol


  • #57
    longjump67
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    ecoli wrote: »
    4.60 @ 13 thats all ireland winner jumping :eek:

    Have a 12 year old (Girl) that I train who just jumped 4.49m and only came 3rd in the Ulsters so think you are strecthing it a bit saying all ireland winner. 5m would be nearer the mark.


  • #58
    RandyMann
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    donothoponpop wrote: »
    Rank your performance using 2011 IAAF tables. Highest total for 5 events at the end of the year wins. Simple:)

    Name|100m|200m|400m|800m|1500m|3000m|5000m|10000m|100mH|110mH|400mH|3000SC|HJ|LJ|TJ|PV|Jav|Disc|Hammer|SP|Best 5 Total
    AN Other

    Hey D, I wonder could you do me a favour and add the 60m as an event on the table which I could use as one of my 5 events?
    Thanks :)


  • #59
    Pisco Sour
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    RandyMann wrote: »
    Hey D, I wonder could you do me a favour and add the 60m as an event on the table which I could use as one of my 5 events?
    Thanks :)

    To be honest the 60m is so similar to the 100m, that adding that in then it would be like adding in the mile for the 1500m runners, the 1k for the 800m runners, the 300m for the 400m runners. My suggestion would be to keep it at the standard events. The idea is to get people doing 5 different events. The 60m and 100m are basically the same thing really.


  • #60
    RandyMann
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    04072511 wrote: »
    To be honest the 60m is so similar to the 100m, that adding that in then it would be like adding in the mile for the 1500m runners, the 1k for the 800m runners, the 300m for the 400m runners. My suggestion would be to keep it at the standard events. The idea is to get people doing 5 different events. The 60m and 100m are basically the same thing really.

    0.6 of the distance of 100m is not basically the same.
    and I want to start with 596 points to my score : )


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  • #61
    Pisco Sour
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    RandyMann wrote: »
    0.6 of the distance of 100m is not basically the same.
    and I want to start with 596 points to my score : )

    Sprinting as hard as you can in a straight line for 60m and sprinting as hard as you can in a straight line for 100m. Not a huge deal of difference in them. The guys who are the best at 100m are the guys who are the best at 60m (if they opt to do indoors that is).

    Just my opinion. Others may differ, but if we start bringing in the 60m, then why not the mile, in which case a good 1500m runner will get 2 events for the price of one really :)


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