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Palestinian hunger striker - 61 days, detained without charge, near death

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  • #32
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Anti Israel day today is it, somebody should have told me, i would have made more of an effort to get my facts wrong

    I believe you're looking for this thread, and poll option 3.


  • #33
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I believe you're looking for this thread, and poll option 3.


    You believe a lot but know very little


  • #34
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Seachmall wrote: »
    He's fairly limited in his options given he's currently shackled to a bed.
    Which is his own doing. No one forced him to not eat food. This is the legacy of 1981. Everyone who goes on hunger strike now will think it will lead to good propaganda and it will be used world wide. First time I have heard of this. Isn't working.
    Yes, how dare he protest his false imprisonment (which, if I understand correctly, is his own fault too :confused:) by starving himself to death, the dirty propagandist.


  • #35
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    I wonder how some of the posters here would react if they were interned without charge. "Ah sure the law says they can do it so it must be ok." It's small wonder the country is in the state it is.


  • #36
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    As if the Israeli government will give a **** if some Palestinian starves himself to death. He'd have been better off looking after himself and waiting until they decided to free him and 1000 of his mates to get one of their soldiers back, then carried on the good fight again from the outside. Anyone who kills themselves as a protest is a fool.


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  • #37
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You believe a lot but know very little

    Great sound bite there but... does it mean anything...?

    No, no it doesn't


  • #38
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Anti Israel day today is it, somebody should have told me, i would have made more of an effort to get my facts wrong

    Those poor persecuted Israelis.. having people talk about their abuses of human rights. It's a cruel world.


  • #39
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    KyussBishop wrote: »
    This has received little to no attention in most mainstream media

    Two guesses as to who controls
    ABC,
    NBC,
    CBS,
    CNN,


  • #40
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    mikom wrote: »
    Two guesses as to who controls
    ABC,
    NBC,
    CBS,
    CNN,

    I've no idea. Please inform us.


  • #41
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    The guy wants to kill himself so as to incite others to murder....let him, the world needs less terrorists.


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  • #42
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lividduck wrote: »
    The guy wants to kill himself so as to incite others to murder....let him, the world needs less terrorists.

    Looks to me like he wants out.


  • #43
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    lividduck wrote: »
    The guy wants to kill himself so as to incite others to murder....let him, the world needs less terrorists.

    He is not a terrorist. He has not recieved a trial, he is unjustly being held without charge.


  • #44
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    I wonder how some of the posters here would react if they were interned without charge. "Ah sure the law says they can do it so it must be ok." It's small wonder the country is in the state it is.
    Yea, the nerve of these jews expecting to be allowed to live in peace in their homeland.
    Who started the yom kippur war? NOT ISRAEL.
    Who started the 6 day war NOT ISRAEL.
    If you are that interested in human rights look to Syria, Libya,Iran.
    Last time I checked the Israelis were not publicly hanging gays!


  • #45
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    I wonder how some of the posters here would react if they were interned without charge. "Ah sure the law says they can do it so it must be ok." It's small wonder the country is in the state it is.

    Personally I wouldnt react by not eating. A few months chained to a hospital bed wont kill me. Not eating probably will.


  • #46
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    lividduck wrote: »
    Yea, the nerve of these jews expecting to be allowed to live in peace in their homeland.
    Who started the yom kippur war? NOT ISRAEL.
    Who started the 6 day war NOT ISRAEL.
    If you are that interested in human rights look to Syria, Libya,Iran.
    Last time I checked the Israelis were not publicly hanging gays!

    Highly debatable to be fair


  • #47
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    lividduck wrote: »
    The guy wants to kill himself so as to incite others to murder

    Yet some who oppose it are at the same time enabling him to do so.
    ....let him, the world needs less terrorists.

    ..and more peddlers of the idea that we are all under siege from terrorists.


  • #48
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lividduck wrote: »
    Yea, the nerve of these(.......)gays!

    Actually if the Israeli state did just confine itself to its recognised borders, I'm sure a lot of the trouble would, in fact, leave them alone.
    lividduck wrote: »
    If you are that interested in human rights look to Syria, Libya,Iran!

    All of whom were (and two of whom still are) under various international sanctions.

    You are aware of the kind of brutality Israel has and does inflict on the population of the occupied territories?


  • #49
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Personally I wouldnt react by not eating. A few months chained to a hospital bed wont kill me. Not eating probably will.

    If they can sentence a 14 year old to 3 and a half years for throwing stones, then imagine what trumped charge they'll give this man in the end. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/25/child-prisoners-israel-jails

    In October 2008, Haaretz reported that 600 Palestinians were being held in administrative detention in Israel, including "about 15 minors who do not know even know why they are being detained."http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/two-palestinian-girls-detained-in-israel-without-trial-for-months-1.255577

    You understand what administrative detention is right? Held without trial, sometimes for years on end, mini Git-mo in other words. Never mind they fact that it includes minors, completely and totally illegal under any international laws.

    This is nothing new, just something that comes and goes in the media, when men like this risk their lives to bring it to peoples attention.

    If he lives, he won't be getting out for several years at least.


  • #50
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Jaafa wrote: »

    You understand what administrative detention is right? Held without trial, sometimes for years on end, mini Git-mo in other words..

    You understand what dead is right? Not alive forever.


  • #51
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You understand what dead is right? Not alive forever.

    Some people believe some fates to be worse than death, you clearly don't, and that's fine.


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  • #52
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You understand what dead is right? Not alive forever.

    Some people would rather face that than indefinite detention with no trial in an Israeli jail.


  • #53
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Jaafa wrote: »
    Some people believe some fates to be worse than death, you clearly don't, and that's fine.

    Chained to a bed in a hospital rates fairly low on my "fates worse than death" list.

    As would a 10 year stretch in prison.


  • #54
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Chained to a bed in a hospital rates fairly low on my "fates worse than death" list..

    Hes not in the bed as a treat, you know.
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    As would a 10 year stretch in prison.

    He isn't facing a 10 year stretch in prison. He has no idea when hes getting out, or if he is at all. Secondly he hasn't been convicted or charged with anything. Thirdly, he would be a Palestinian prisoner in an Israeli jail, which is not the same as being a prisoner in Scandanavia or Britain by any stretch of the imagination.


  • #55
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Nodin wrote: »
    Hes not in the bed as a treat, you know.
    .

    Again, we're comparing it to death, not a holiday.

    Nodin wrote: »
    He isn't facing a 10 year stretch in prison. He has no idea when hes getting out, or if he is at all. Secondly he hasn't been convicted or charged with anything. Thirdly, he would be a Palestinian prisoner in an Israeli jail, which is not the same as being a prisoner in Scandanavia or Britain by any stretch of the imagination.

    So kill yourself before you find ouit whats happening?


  • #56
    amacachi
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    As was said earlier in the thread, good result for the Israelis if he does die.


  • #57
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Again, we're comparing it to death, not a holiday.




    So kill yourself before you find ouit whats happening?

    He won't find out whats happening.
    According to international law, administrative detention can be used only in the most exceptional cases, as the last means available for preventing danger that cannot be thwarted by less harmful means.

    Israel's use of administrative detention blatantly violates these restrictions. It is carried out under the thick cover of privilege, which denies detainees the possibility of mounting a proper defense. Over the years, Israel has administratively detained thousands of Palestinian for prolonged periods of time, without prosecuting them, without informing them of the charges against them, and without allowing them or their attorneys to study the evidence, making a mockery of the protections specified in Israeli and international law to protect the right to liberty and due process, the right of defendants to state their case, and the presumption of innocence.
    (my underline)
    http://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention

    And of course he runs the risk of being systematically tortured while hes there.


  • #58
    Ronin247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    Nodin wrote: »
    It's fairly obvious where your sympathy lies, so throwing in "not saying"/"I am in no way condoning or condemning " is a bit pointless at this stage.

    I am comparing it with our society calling for harsher treatment for criminals.Criminal Assets Bureau is a case of if you cannot prove where the money comes from it is drug/dirty money.Gilligan attempted the very same defence as Bertie....I won it on the horses. Gilligan is in jail and Bertie has a big fat state pension.
    Everyone complains when Israel treats someone harshly and when Ireland does not.
    wes wrote: »
    So I take it you think Israeli spokes people should similarly be held without trial, afterall there government engaged in numerous atrocities against civilians. Of course, if Palestinians were to do the same with an Israeli, there would be a huge out cry from Western governments and people like yourself.

    Palestinian Islamic Jihad is a Terrorist organisation who carry out deliberate targetting of civillians.There are plenty of threads condemning Israel but not very many about the suicide bombings of innocent civilians.I am opposed to both sides atrocities.....a lot of posters seem to be opposed to one sides only.


  • #59
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Wasn't he a member of a terrorist group? Guilty people protest too ya know. People seem to be assuming that this lad is innocent.

    Are people outraged over the fact that he has been held without charge or the fact that he is innocent?

    If you learned he was responsible for murdering 100 people would you care that he hadn't been given a trial?


  • #60
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ronin247 wrote: »
    I am comparing it with our society calling for harsher treatment for criminals.Criminal Assets Bureau is a case of if you cannot prove where the money comes from it is drug/dirty money.Gilligan attempted the very same defence as Bertie....I won it on the horses. Gilligan is in jail and Bertie has a big fat state pension..

    I'm not seeing the similarity.
    Ronin247 wrote: »
    Everyone complains when Israel treats someone harshly and when Ireland does not. ..

    I think I would have noticed somebody saying "Why don't we treat them like the Israelis do the Palestinians" meself.
    Ronin247 wrote: »
    Palestinian Islamic Jihad is a Terrorist organisation who carry out deliberate targetting of civillians.There are plenty of threads condemning Israel but not very many about the suicide bombings of innocent civilians.I am opposed to both sides atrocities.....a lot of posters seem to be opposed to one sides only.

    ...because, as a terrorist organisation, they're already under any number of limitations and penalties. You will not be seeing the Islamic Jihad entry in the Eurovision song contest any time soon.

    Secondly, Israel - as the occupying colonising force in the OT- is the aggressor.


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  • #61
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Kirby wrote: »
    Wasn't he a member of a terrorist group? Guilty people protest too ya know. People seem to be assuming that this lad is innocent.

    Are people outraged over the fact that he has been held without charge or the fact that he is innocent?

    If you learned he was responsible for murdering 100 people would you care that he hadn't been given a trial?

    Maybe if you read the thread......


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