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Iran behind attacks on Israeli diplomats

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  • #62
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    karma_ wrote: »
    Wasting your time wes, Batsy doesn't do logic or reason, he's too busy with his nose buried in the daily mail.

    I don't think even the DM would spread the odious lies he's telling in here.. though admittedly I never looked.


  • #63
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Batsy wrote: »
    It is the JEWS who have been living in the area where Israel is for thousands of years, not the Palestinians, not the Muslims.

    It was the Jews who founded Jerusalem thousands of years before Islam was even founded. Not only that, but the ancestors of the Palestinians only arrived in the area a couple of hundred years ago.

    Always one.

    You'll find that "muslim" is a religion, not an ethnicity.

    Were you to bother researching the subject at all, you'd find that claims of who was there first are rather meaningless, as both sides are interrelated with a common origin in the area.
    Batsy wrote: »
    Why should we give one square inch of the Holy Land to these stinking frauds?.

    Racist claptrap and selectively quoted nonsense. There are calls for an independent Palestine from the early 1900's.

    Batsy wrote: »
    I don't care what you say. There has never been a sovereign state known as Palestine. .

    Or the USA. Or Australia. Or South Africa. Or anywhere, until somebody declared it. Good luck with that one.


  • #64
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    The Guardian wrote: »
    The assailant, an Iranian national identified as Saied Moradi, missed his target, however, and the bomb detonated in front of him, blowing off one leg and requiring the amputation of the other.

    I honestly would have loved to seen a video of this, I say it'd be hilarious.

    On another note, isn't it suspected that either Mossad or the CIA planted assassinated Iranian nuclear scientists ... if that were true, Israel would be getting what's coming to it.


  • #65
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »
    I honestly would have loved to seen a video of this, I say it'd be hilarious.

    On another note, isn't it suspected that either Mossad or the CIA planted assassinated Iranian nuclear scientists ... if that were true, Israel would be getting what's coming to it.

    War is hell as they say. it's not Iran starting this ****.


  • #66
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Love this....



    Network of terror? Laughable really, especially when you consider all the Iranian scientists Mossad have been blowing up. It was only a matter of time that the favour would be returned. Assuming it is the Iranians of course.

    And assuming it was Israel's Mossad who blow up the nuclear scientists, of course.


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  • #67
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    wendell borton wrote: »
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/15/thai-bombers-india-terror-attacks

    What no moral outrage from the PC brigade?

    My nosey self I had to find out what your reaction was to the killing of the Iranian scientist. what do you know!

    not a bloody peep.

    hypocrisy rules the day.


  • #68
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    The zionazi terrorists can't really expect to murder scientists in Iran without someone hitting back at them.:):):)
    :rolleyes:
    Here we go again. Go Israel. Fcuk the Iranian bully boys (and their ilk).


  • #69
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    RichieC wrote: »
    War is hell as they say. it's not Iran starting this ****.

    True. I think that the Iranian regime needs to be toppled though. I have an Iranian friend who is convinced that they are trying to build an atomic weapon, because they're crazy bastards (his words) ... and he obviously knows more about the regime than I do. I don't believe in a war though, I think that the CIA/Mossad should instead help ignite or fund some sort of revolution in Iran, like in Libya and Egypt.


  • #70
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:
    Here we go again. Go Israel. Fcuk the Iranian bully boys (and their ilk).

    Another well thought out and mature post.


  • #71
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Batsy wrote: »
    The surnames of the Palestinians reflect that their ancestors only moved to the area from elsewhere only relatively recently.

    And a lot of jews who invaded Palestine during the early and mid 20th century changed their names from their Russian and Polish family names to jewish names. A lot of those people were Europeans whose ancestors had converted to judaism and who had no connection with Palestine whatsoever.

    A perfect example of this is the current Israeli PM and chief war crimes apologist Benjamin Netanyahu. Mileikowsky is his family's original surname.


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  • #72
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »
    True. I think that the Iranian regime needs to be toppled though. I have an Iranian friend who is convinced that they are trying to build an atomic weapon, because they're crazy bastards (his words) ... and he obviously knows more about the regime than I do. I don't believe in a war though, I think that the CIA/Mossad should instead help ignite or fund some sort of revolution in Iran, like in Libya and Egypt.

    Yeah, the CIA should help overthrow the Iranian government.

    The last time they done that it was unqualified success. :rolleyes:


  • #73
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yeah, the CIA should help overthrow the Iranian government.

    The last time they done that it was unqualified success. :rolleyes:

    Whoever does it (:rolleyes:) I just think they should be overthrow. It's just horrible what happens inside their borders.

    When the CIA overthrow the elected Iranian regime, it was replaced with a dictatorship and it was in the backdrop of the Cold War, so the US didn't care what regime would be installed as long as they were pro-US.


  • #74
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Einhard wrote: »
    In fairness, many people have linked Israel to the attcks on Iranian scientists without a similar burden of proof and they are seldom ever called on it.

    If I'd read those posts I'd have called them on it, but I didn't. This was an OP though which makes a difference in my mind at any rate.
    Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »
    True. I think that the Iranian regime needs to be toppled though. I have an Iranian friend who is convinced that they are trying to build an atomic weapon, because they're crazy bastards (his words) ... and he obviously knows more about the regime than I do. I don't believe in a war though, I think that the CIA/Mossad should instead help ignite or fund some sort of revolution in Iran, like in Libya and Egypt.

    On what does your friend base his conviction?

    It's a bit like me saying I have a friend who is convinced that FG are trying to take over the world and he obviously knows more than I do about it because he works in the bar in Leinster House.


  • #75
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    up for anything wrote: »
    It's a bit like me saying I have a friend who is convinced that FG are trying to take over the world and he obviously knows more than I do about it because he works in the bar in Leinster House.

    No, because he has first hand experience of what the regime is like and he probably reads more into the current affairs of Iran than I do, because he's from there. Iran wants nuclear weapons as a bargaining tool to help keep the regime alive, similar to the regime in the DPRK.


  • #76
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »
    No, because he has first hand experience of what the regime is like and he probably reads more into the current affairs of Iran than I do, because he's from there. Iran wants nuclear weapons as a bargaining tool to help keep the regime alive, similar to the regime in the DPRK.

    Iran wants nuclear weapons for the same reason everyone else does.

    Military might.


  • #77
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »
    No, because he has first hand experience of what the regime is like and he probably reads more into the current affairs of Iran than I do, because he's from there. Iran wants nuclear weapons as a bargaining tool to help keep the regime alive, similar to the regime in the DPRK.

    Anytime I hear people casually swap words like Government for 'Regime' I am immediately suspicious. Given the neighbourhood they are in, Iran seeking nuclear weapons for defensive purposes does not seem unreasonable. Most of their neighbours have either been invaded or attacked by either Israel or the West on Israel's behalf.


  • #78
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Morlar wrote: »
    Anytime I hear people casually swap words like Government for 'Regime' I am immediately suspicious. Given the neighbourhood they are in, Iran seeking nuclear weapons for defensive purposes does not seem unreasonable. Most of their neighbours have either been invaded or attacked by either Israel or the West on Israel's behalf.

    Indeed.

    It's not that long ago that Iran was attacked by Iraq with the full backing of the West.

    Reagan and Thatcher egged on Saddam as his forces gassed Iranian military forces and civilians at will (as well as Kurdish civilians living in Iraq).

    No complaints from the moral highground holding jewish state about civilians being gassed to death :rolleyes: or about the fact that Germany (yes Germany!) supplied the gas.


  • #79
    The Saint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭The Saint


    Batsy wrote: »
    The surnames of the Palestinians reflect that their ancestors only moved to the area from elsewhere only relatively recently. Palestinian surnames are the places where their ancestors came from:

    "Khamis"= from Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis"
    "al-ubayyidi" or "al-Obeidi"= from sudan "al-ubayyid"
    "al-Faruqi"= Mosul iraq
    "al-Araj" = Morocco,a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj"
    "al-Lubnani" =the lebanese
    "al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan ("Maghreb" – meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco) ,"Dalal Mughrabi"
    "al-Djazair"=the Algerian
    "al-Qurashi"=saudi arabia "clan of Quraish"
    "al-azd" =yemen "Azd tribe"
    "al-Yamani"= the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani"
    "al-Afghani" = the Afghan
    "Al-Sidawi" = from "Sidon" lebanon
    "Al-fayyumi" = from "Faiyum" egypt
    "al-Hijazi" or "Hijazi" = present-day saudi arabia "Ahlam Higazi, a "Palestinian" artist from Hebron"
    "al-Hindi" =the Indian "Amin al-Hindi"
    "al-Tamimi" or "Tamimi" = from the tribe or clan of Banu-Tamim "Azzam Tamimi"
    "Hamati" = from syria ( HAMA city)
    "Omayya" = from saudi arabia "Banu Omayya tribe" "Omayya Joha" "palestinian artist" "
    "Othman" = turkey
    "murad" =yemen "murad tribe"
    "Alawi" = from syria (minority religious group in syria)
    "Iraqi" =from Iraq.
    "halabi" =from aleppo syria
    "Dajani"= from saudi arabia
    "Mattar" = from YEMEN (the village of BANI Mattar)
    "al-baghdadi"= from bagdad iraq.
    "Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon.
    "Hourani" =Houran Syria.
    "Zubeidi"= from iraq "Zubeidi tribe" "Zakaria Zubeidi"
    "al-Husayni" =saudi arabia.
    "Saudi" =Saudi Arabia.
    "Metzarwah"=egypt.
    "Barda­­­­­­­­­­­wil" ="salah bardawil" HAMAS legislator in gaza,egypt "bardawil lake" area
    "nashashibi"= syria.
    "Bushnak" =bosnia
    "zoabi"= from iraq "Haneen Zoabi".
    "Turki" =turkey "Daud Turki"
    "al-Kurd" = kurdistan.
    "Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs.
    "Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins)
    "Arab al shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
    "Arab al zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
    "Arab al aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins)

    Could you provide a link to this as these would not be common Palestinian names if they exist at all in the region.

    Oh, and attacks in diplomats and scientists should be condemned.


  • #80
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Nodin wrote: »
    Another well thought out and mature post.

    Ah Nod. Nothing better than that to offer? You disappoint me.:D Just a realistic post. They are scumbags of the highest order, and cowards into the bargain. When they do develop a bomb it will be given to some terrorist to deliver. And they'll deny it. Wonderful bunch of lads. And some people try to defend them. Lovely.


  • #81
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Iran wants nuclear weapons for the same reason everyone else does.

    Military might.

    And to dethrone the 'infidels'.....:rolleyes:


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  • #82
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Ah Nod. Nothing better than that to offer? You disappoint me.:D Just a realistic post. They are scumbags of the highest order, and cowards into the bargain. When they do develop a bomb it will be given to some terrorist to deliver. And they'll deny it. Wonderful bunch of lads. And some people try to defend them. Lovely.

    How could they possibly deny a nuclear weapon handoff to terrorists should they decide to take should a wreakless course of action? Do you have any clue at all?


  • #83
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    RichieC wrote: »
    How could they possibly deny a nuclear weapon handoff to terrorists should they decide to take should a wreakless course of action? Do you have any clue at all?
    Obviously more than you do Richie. Have you learned nothing from history? Are you REALLY that naive?

    These are scumbag terrorists who have seized control of a country, in much the same vein as Hitler did. There is no difference, except for the fact that they used religion as a vehicle to do so.


  • #84
    Morlar
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    Freddie59 wrote: »
    These are scumbag terrorists who have seized control of a country, in much the same vein as Hitler did. There is no difference, except for the fact that they used religion as a vehicle to do so.

    Sorry, which middle eastern country are we talking about now ?


  • #85
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Obviously more than you do Richie. Have you learned nothing from history? Are you REALLY that naive?

    These are scumbag terrorists who have seized control of a country, in much the same vein as Hitler did. There is no difference, except for the fact that they used religion as a vehicle to do so.

    Comparisons of Iran to Hitler are as ridiculous as Israel to Hitler.

    You want to talk about Naive? how about believing everything you're told by a country that only last decade lied us into a war on similar accusations?

    Oh no.. this time they're telling the truth! sure they're muslims in that country!11


  • #86
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Ah Nod. Nothing better than that to offer? You disappoint me.:D Just a realistic post. They are scumbags of the highest order, and cowards into the bargain. When they do develop a bomb it will be given to some terrorist to deliver. And they'll deny it. Wonderful bunch of lads. And some people try to defend them. Lovely.


    ...taking that the "scumbags" and cowards remark as true, for the sake of argument, how would you label Israel for doing the same thing?


  • #87
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I'm sympathetic to the people of Israel and think they deserve to live in peace and without fear.

    OTOH I consider the treatment of Palestinians by the state of Israel as abhorrent and its aggressive posturing towards its neighbours has gone too far.

    Am I the only person who thinks that Iranian nuclear capability will stabilise the middle east?


  • #88
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Am I the only person who thinks that Iranian nuclear capability will stabilise the middle east?

    You're certainly not.

    Stability is not IMO what the US want at all. nor the zionist government of Israel.


  • #89
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Iran wants nuclear weapons for the same reason everyone else does.

    Military might.

    I would say defence more than military aspiration.
    RichieC wrote: »
    You're certainly not.

    Stability is not IMO what the US want at all. nor the zionist government of Israel.

    Now I can thank it. ;)


  • #90
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'm sympathetic to the people of Israel and think they deserve to live in peace and without fear.

    OTOH I consider the treatment of Palestinians by the state of Israel as abhorrent and its aggressive posturing towards its neighbours has gone too far.

    Israelis keep on electing right-wing extemists who continued their war on the Palestinian people. They don't want to live in peace.

    And why do they deserve to live in peace? They've stolen somebody else's country.


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  • #91
    jonsnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    Scientists and diplomats should not be murdered by foreign agents but I have to say that one side started this and it wasn,t the Iranians. Blowback at some point was inevitable.Be honest what country in the world with the capability to retaliate wouldn,t have after so many high level murders and not to mention the completely innocent people that were injured in the attacks.

    To paraphrase Bomber Harris "The Israelis were under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them".


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