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Social housing for non-EU nationals queried

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  • #32
    Andy!!
    Site Banned Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Andy!!


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Badly written one-sided article appealing to the rabble rabble/im not racist but/tis a disgrace joe brigade. In short -move along not much to see here.

    Its cause of apathetic twits like you that we have certains EU and non-EU nationalities absolutely milking the system instead of our taxes going to Irish people genuinely badly in need of welfare.

    mod: poster banned.


  • #33
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    What do other EU countries do?

    I can't imagine Australia, New Zealand or USA offering the same.

    We need to toughen up and look after this countries interest. And in particular not be so afraid of being labeled racist by the PC brigade. You are racist nowadays if you do anything other than offer the red carpet treatment to immigrants... or even question things like this.


  • #34
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    biko wrote: »
    The usual 2 responses from the opposition.
    "If you mention any negative aspects of immigration you are racist" and the attempt to vilify: "Are you a brick throwing nazi sympathiser?"

    You guys just want to keep discussion censored, don't you understand by doing that you will only frustrate people more and this is what leads to stone throwing and sites like stormfront, because you want to censor discussion in open forums?
    Excellent post, +++

    The op and the counsellor in the article are merely posing a question and are instantly shot down and branded racists. This happens ALL THE FUKCING TIME ON BOARDS. Its pretty pathetic tbh.


  • #35
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Chinasea wrote: »
    what a lovely article. Yet another ball bounced for the racist mobs to pick up and run with.
    Every time one of these stories pops up, you're in there making wild accusations and tearing your hair out. Not from northern Ireland by any chance?
    Chinasea wrote: »
    OP, have you ever stopped to think how your ancestors’ i.e. refugees must have felt when they fled on coffin ships looking to start a new life.
    If they were on coffin ships they wouldn't be his ancestors, he'd be on boards.us complaining about Mexicans instead.
    Chinasea wrote: »
    Make up your mind, you don't want to house non EU nationals but it would appear you worry about the thousands of people living on our streets that might get housed.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with looking after your own citizenry first. In fact that's the basic duty of any representative government. As far as I'm aware there is no shortage of accommodation for the homeless in Ireland, those living on the streets do so for other reasons than a lack of housing.

    What he seems to be complaining about is the prioritisation method being used to hand out more desireable housing, maybe there's a problem with that, I don't have enough information to say one way or the other.
    Chinasea wrote: »
    I remember when we had a small amount of Bosnians moving to Ireland and all we heard was 'all the Bosnians are getting the houses'. I have yet to meet one.
    I don't. Bosnians? Are you even living in this country?
    Chinasea wrote: »
    OP, Just have a look at the amount of foreign families who have had bricks thrown to their windows
    What amount is that? Last time I checked Ireland had a pretty high and pretty sudden arrival of immigrants over the last ten years, and the most remarkable thing has been the almost complete lack of a racist backlash, unlike every single one of our European neighbours.


  • #36
    mikemac1
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    Most people on the Fingal housing list or realy any local authorty list around the country will not get a council flat or house or be waiting years.

    But if you want to apply for rent allowance you have to put yourself on the housing list.
    So the lists are sky high but that doesn't mean new builds are needed for all of them.
    And since you can reject offers some tenants on the list would prefer to stay where they are and reject the council properties.


    All the while, hundreds of millions are being handed over to landlords

    RAS is a good idea and gives stability and if landlords are not going to sign up well just cut rent allowance again for some more incentive.

    The rest of Fingal does not want to end up like lego land Balbriggan


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  • #37
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    "I could never understand why the past and current government gave houses to non E.U nationals, sure brazil is not in the E.U as we all know unless you were living under a meteorite crater, and houses for all while there are thousands of people here living on the streets of Ireland."


    Dont know why Brazil was mentioned. Brazilian people get feck all from the government. Being brazilian i can assure you of that. That's why most of us in ireland work gladly for minimum wage. The brazilians on housing lists(if there are any) are for sure parents of european/irish children and by that I mean one of the parents MUST be irish/european, if its a brazilian couple they still get feck all from social welfare and if they still want to stay here they work full time for minimum wage both parents alternating shifts at work and looking after children no excuse not to work. But that's how it is in brazil: you breed them you look after them. Nobody in brazil thinks the government has to look after their children. In fact unemployed and single parents in brazil would give up their thumbs to have "the good life" irish people in the same situation have on welfare. AND YES, IT IS A GOOD LIFE COMPARED TO THE LIFE UNEMPLOYED AND SINGLE PARENTS HAVE IN BRAZIL.


  • #38
    Clareboy
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    The biggest mistake we have made as a nation was to admit non EU nationals into our country. Imagine people comming here from Brazil - the fifth largest country in the world with unknown and limitless natural resources and mineral wealth. We have screwed up big time and will pay the price!


  • #39
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    With a lot of those new estates that popped up in the mid 2000's you would of had no idea how an estate would turn out. I've a friend that bought a house with his girlfriend in the Fingal back then. New estate and was grand at first. But a certain percentage of them were welfare housing or whatever it's called here. They must have took the biggest scum bag families from around and moved them in cause the place is now a kip. It wasn't a bad area beforehand. Just turned into one. Point being you can just have bad luck with some of those estates.

    Again this should not have been allowed to happen. People paid a premium for a bit of peace and quiet and ended up in a nightmare because of mindless bureaucrats in City Councils, looking after "disadvantaged" and "deprived" families. The mind truly boggles.


  • #40
    #15
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    Clareboy wrote: »
    The biggest mistake we have made as a nation was to admit non EU nationals into our country.

    What about refugees?

    Do you think they should be turned away?


  • #41
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Should go to the nearest safe country

    If you're from North Africa, well then that's probably Italy or maybe Spain
    The old colonial powers may have a duty to some of their former colonies

    How did they end up on a small island in the Atlantic Ocean?


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  • #42
    dj jarvis
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    ResearchWill wrote: »
    While there may not be a telephone number, if as I suspect the family in question are programe refugees then the truth of their story has been assessed in Sudan, by the United Nations.

    If we are talking about Asylum claims in general, yes that is a different story, with about 10% of claims being upheld. Meaning that 90% of claims are not real claims for asylum. But in reality the Asylum issue is not really an issue anymore as claims have fallen from a peak of about 12000 a year to less than 2000 last year and still dropping.


    funny how the claims for asylum have declined at par with our economic fortune - has the world suddenly gotten safer and has less refugees ?

    not on your life - less are coming becasue of our poor economic outlook , so you would have to make the assumption the most were chancers going to a richer county looking for a hand out - lets face it if you were a refugee in sudan and you had a chance to get out and go to a European nation , you would not care what nation it was , becasue ANY is better than sudan
    but yet less are coming

    this fact alone speaks volumes to me about our asylum process and the asylum process world wide

    90% fail rate - how long were the 90% fed and housed before being asked to leave ? if they could be found - total waste of resources

    and leaves a shadow over the reaming 10%

    debating immigration policey does not make you rascist
    being a rascist makes you a rascist - big big difference


  • #43
    Nodin
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    Fine Gael Councillor Kieran Dennison has raised questions about Ireland's social housing policy after it was revealed that Fingal County Council were housing up to 70 different nationalities, many from outside the EU. Cllr. Dennison said: 'It was only when I was elected to the council that I realised we were housing people from all over the world. 'I can understand our obligation to provide for EU citizens who have been working here but I do question why we are providing social housing for the rest of the world.'

    '...because they're entitled to it' is your answer. Of course rather than raise specific questions about specific policies and risk getting an answer, its far safer to do the oul rabble rabble.


  • #44
    woodoo
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    Clareboy wrote: »
    The biggest mistake we have made as a nation was to admit non EU nationals into our country. Imagine people comming here from Brazil - the fifth largest country in the world with unknown and limitless natural resources and mineral wealth. We have screwed up big time and will pay the price!

    Thats a bit extreme. But i think we should only allow a limited number of people in from any non EU country. Let small numbers in so they can integrate well. We don't want to end up like some English midland city like Bradford. With entire sections of the city like a foreign country.


  • #45
    mikemac1
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    raised questions about Ireland's social housing policy
    Nodin wrote: »
    Of course rather than raise specific questions about specific policies and risk getting an answer, its far safer to do the oul rabble rabble.

    He was asking specific questions. He had the figures and percentages
    The councillor said that this year Fingal will spend €40m maintaining its 4,465 social housing units and administering a growing waiting list that now stand at 8,572. More than half those on the list are from outside Ireland with non-eu nationals accounting for 26 per cent of the total.

    Looks specific to me


  • #46
    flanders1979
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    The reason there are so many non EU nationals on the waiting lists and availing of council houses etc is mostly down to residency granted on the basis of Irish born children to former asylum seekers. They have a legal right to be here. Whether we like it or not. The word refugee is bandied about alot. Real refugees very rarely get to escape to Europe from their place of persecution.


  • #47
    twinQuins
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    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Again this should not have been allowed to happen. People paid a premium for a bit of peace and quiet and ended up in a nightmare because of mindless bureaucrats in City Councils, looking after "disadvantaged" and "deprived" families. The mind truly boggles.

    Yes, it does boggle - at the utter tripe you're coming out with, that is.

    If they wanted to live away from the "riff-raff" they should have bought up the surrounding lands. They paid for the house, not for the privelege of saying who gets to live next to them.


  • #48
    Nodin
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    mikemac1 wrote: »
    He was asking specific questions. He had the figures and percentages



    Looks specific to me

    Not at all. There are grounds for non-EU nationals to be on housing lists. Did he question those grounds specifically? He did in his arse. You can't just jump off a plane and ask for a gaff.


  • #49
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    IRISH PEOPLE SURE ARE FUNNY!! I wonder what you'd say if Australia or America decided its worst mistake was to let IRISH PEOPLE IN!!! Sure you wouldnt be happy would you, if the prejudice against irish people were to come back full force now that you're a BROKE COUNTRY!!! Not a long time ago pubs in america had signs that said: NO DOGS NO IRISH.
    GET A GRIP IRISH PEOPLE ARE IMMIGRANTS JUST AS BRAZILIAN PEOPLE ARE!!!!
    But i dont begrudge. If you ever need a visa to work in brazil i hope you get one. :pac:


  • #50
    mikemac1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Not at all. There are grounds for non-EU nationals to be on housing lists. Did he question those grounds specifically?

    To answer that question you'll need the minutes and records of the council meetings and that's not something I'm going looking for
    Borboletinha wrote: »
    Not a long time ago pubs in america had signs that said: NO DOGS NO IRISH.

    I'd love to see a link to that, have you got one?


  • #51
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment


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  • #52
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    http://www.meramirpur.com/racism-in-britain.html



    I know huh? Racism sure is an ugly thing... Specially when Its against ourselves...:mad:


  • #53
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Fair play to you for coming back with a reply

    But how old is that can I ask?

    Just you put "not a long time ago" so I assumed you meant recently

    Is that American sign from a few hundred years ago?


  • #54
    Doc Ruby
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    Borboletinha wrote: »
    I know huh? Racism sure is an ugly thing... Specially when Its against ourselves...:mad:
    When you start seeing "No Brazilians need apply" signs you might have a point. Until such time you can't point the finger at every query on public spending related to immigrants and claim its racism. Maybe this guy is racist, I don't know, but simply saying that Irish citizens need to be prioritised IF priorities exist, doesn't seem racist to me. The real question here is whether or not priorities exist in the allocation of the means of assistance.


  • #55
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    mikemac1 I was being ironic with the "not a long time ago". Of course it was before the celtic tiger but now the celtic tiger is nothing but a kitty so who garantees you that that kind of horrible prejudice against irish people wont come back??? Specially now that you're immigrating again by the thousands!! A person has to be very ignorant and stupid to turn against immigrants because if an irish person knows their own history of immigration and diaspora they wont have the cheek to be racist!!!


    The Irish diaspora (Irish: Diaspóra na nGael) consists of Irish emigrants and their descendants in countries such as the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, Argentina, New Zealand, Mexico, South Africa, BRAZIL and states of the Caribbean and continental Europe. The diaspora, maximally interpreted, contains more than 80 million people, which is more than thirteen times the population of the island of Ireland itself!!!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_diaspora


  • #56
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    "DOC RUBY:When you start seeing "No Brazilians need apply" signs you might have a point. Until such time you can't point the finger at every query on public spending related to immigrants and claim its racism"

    I never pointed any fingers at any queries my reply was to the guy that said letting non eu nationals in ireland was the worst mistake to the country which is not only untrue but unfair if you look at irish past and present of immigration.

    Just for the record I love ireland and im thankful for the opportunities the country gave me. Also like i said before brazilian people are not allowed to claim anything from the government be it the dole or social housing unless you're the parent of an irish/european child so one of the parents has to be irish/european. Other than that we get nothing, but still we are happy,content and thankful for our minnimum wage jobs. If we have a job, if not we go back home by the loads like its happening right now. We dont stay here sponging the state, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. SO PLEASE DONT BLAME US FOR THAT.


  • #57
    whatsamsn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 911 ✭✭✭whatsamsn


    Why do accusations of racism have to pop its ugly head again?
    The point of the article was that non-eu nationalites were given houses & thus obviously chosen OVER eu citizens applying... Irish people applying too. Why do people have to accuse racism at hand with this topic?


    But this whole thing is nothing new I guess. Its well known a single mother gets moved to the top of the list over a single man ... and its also known a non-national single mother gets moved higher than the aforementioned combined. Thats why people work the system. Want to apply for social housing? your girlfriend is pregnant or yous already have child? get her to apply as a single mother. You live there too. Cheap rent. Win Win.

    Will always happen.


  • #58
    Clareboy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Clareboy


    #15 wrote: »
    What about refugees?

    Do you think they should be turned away?

    The vast majority of asylum seekers and refugees who have come to Ireland have got in here on the basis of ' cock and bull stories ' and that's a well known and recognised fact.


  • #59
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    Clareboy wrote: »
    The vast majority of asylum seekers and refugees who have come to Ireland have got in here on the basis of ' cock and bull stories ' and that's a well known and recognised fact.

    Any links? Any statistics? Or is it just one of these 'Everybody knows it' stories?


  • #60
    Doc Ruby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Borboletinha wrote: »
    I never pointed any fingers at any queries my reply was to the guy that said letting non eu nationals in ireland was the worst mistake to the country which is not only untrue but unfair if you look at irish past and present of immigration.
    Oh yeah, that's your common or garden troll there, likes to make inflammatory comments to get people all upset and arguing. Its generally best just to ignore them.

    By the way, pointing at the Irish history of emigration has no bearing on immigrants coming to Ireland - while the entire population of Ireland could fit neatly into a medium sized city, the opposite does not hold true for most countries and Ireland. There are very real limits on resources here.


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  • #61
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Clareboy wrote: »
    The vast majority of asylum seekers and refugees who have come to Ireland have got in here on the basis of ' cock and bull stories ' and that's a well known and recognised fact.
    Prove it! less than 2% of asylum seekers have their claims granted, another "Everybody Knows" claptrap post!


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