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Bram Stoker museum in Fairview/Clontarf?

  • 10-02-2012 3:29pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭


    Hello all
    I've seen mixed information about this museum which is supposedly near the Clontarf Road Dart station.
    Is it still there open for business or is it long since closed down as some websites would suggest (and others would dispute)?
    When I phoned the contact number I saw online for the museum, it brought me through to the voicemail for BARCODE. So I don't know if i'm wasting my time chasing up on this
    Any ideas on whether the museum is still there and can be visited?
    Many thanks everyone
    DG


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭MarchDub


    Drugness wrote: »
    Hello all
    I've seen mixed information about this museum which is supposedly near the Clontarf Road Dart station.
    Is it still there open for business or is it long since closed down as some websites would suggest (and others would dispute)?
    When I phoned the contact number I saw online for the museum, it brought me through to the voicemail for BARCODE. So I don't know if i'm wasting my time chasing up on this
    Any ideas on whether the museum is still there and can be visited?
    Many thanks everyone
    DG

    I don't know about the museum - I think it closed - but I know the Stoker house where he lived is in The Crescent at Fairview/Marino and it's up for sale. There is talk that the Bram Stoker society is trying to put money together to buy it and turn it into a museum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    The Bram Stoker Society Newsletter lists a proposed event in Trinity in April and gives contact details.

    http://www.brianjshowers.com/stokernewsletter2011a.html

    I would love to know more about the guy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭MarchDub


    CDfm wrote: »

    I would love to know more about the guy.

    He married Oscar Wilde's first girlfriend - how's that for starters?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    MarchDub wrote: »
    He married Oscar Wilde's first girlfriend - how's that for starters?

    Brilliant :cool:

    Bring it on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭MarchDub


    Florence-Balcombe3.jpg


    Here are a few images of the lady - Florence Balcombe. The one on the left was actually drawn by Wilde.

    Stoker was a frequent guest at the Wilde house in Merrion Square where Oscar's mother, Jane, who wrote under the name of Speranza, held literary salons.

    That's apparently how he met Florence who was being courted by Oscar at the time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭adee


    Florence Balcombe lived at No 1 The Crescent and Bram at No 15.
    His baptism is recorded in Clontarf COI here
    http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/59e52a0005788
    scroll down to see the original page.
    Marriage to Florence was also in the same church in Clontarf.
    http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/d4ac8a0527466
    To the OP, sorry, the museum is long gone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    MarchDub wrote: »
    Florence-Balcombe3.jpg


    Here are a few images of the lady - Florence Balcombe. The one on the left was actually drawn by Wilde.

    Stoker was a frequent guest at the Wilde house in Merrion Square where Oscar's mother, Jane, who wrote under the name of Speranza, held literary salons.

    That's apparently how he met Florence who was being courted by Oscar at the time.

    What years are we talking about as the Wilde's had some tough times in Dublin. There was a scandal :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭MarchDub


    CDfm wrote: »
    What years are we talking about as the Wilde's had some tough times in Dublin. There was a scandal :eek:

    She married Bram Stoker in 1878 - so her relationship with Oscar was dated to about two years prior to that.

    By the 'scandal' I presume you mean Oscar's father Sir William Wilde and the Mary Travers 'episode' where she more than hinted that he had raped her and then sued Lady Wilde for libel when she repeated the allegation. That all happened some years prior to this - the court case was May 1864 when Oscar and his brother were children.

    Interestingly Isaac Butt was the barrister for Mary Travers. But all easily forgotten by the 70s.

    Richard Ellmann in his biography of Wilde says tellingly of that period in Dublin that "The Old Regency permissiveness lingered in the Dublin of this time".


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Drugness


    Thanks for all the responses everyone
    Sorry that the museum is closed but glad i could help start i thread with great potential!
    See y'all!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Jolly661


    Isn't it amazing that Dracula was probably 'conceived' in Dublin. This year in April and again in July there are a large number of events being held for visitors to Dublin and natives alike. Trinity are having a 2 day event on 5t-6th July. Bram's great grand nephew, Dacre Stoker, author of "The Undead", a sequel to "Dracula" will be coming to the Stoker Get-together in July. I will pass more information on as it becomes available.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Jolly661


    Bram was married in St Anne's C of I in Dawson Street to Florence Balcombe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Kavrocks


    I don't know if the museum is still there, it is/was inside Barcode (that is you enter through the same door you would for Barcode and its upstairs at the back).

    As far as I remember the sign for it is still up outside of Barcode, I'd suggest ringing the number again and asking if its still there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Bram got cremated which is how you kill a vampire.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    CDfm wrote: »
    Bram got cremated which is how you kill a vampire.

    I thought a stake through the heart was the only sure thing? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I thought a stake through the heart was the only sure thing? :D

    They only went and destroyed the evidence haven't they.:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    Originally Posted by CDfm
    Bram got cremated which is how you kill a vampire.
    I thought a stake through the heart was the only sure thing?


    I read that on April 20-the Dracula Society is going to gather at the cemetery in London where Stoker has been for the last 100 years.
    Like they are expecting something to happen.
    So maybe there is no such thing as a sure thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Jolly661


    Have you read "Dracula - Sense and Nonsense" by Elizabeth Miller? A book which debunks all the non-sense that is spread around about Dracula. I understand that Miller will be coming from America to speak at the National Library in July as part of the centenary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    The book is on-line free

    http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Bram_Stoker/Dracula/

    And Bela Lugosi from 1931



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    And Bela Lugosi from 1931

    Thanks--That is great to see.
    Have you seen this website the Stoker family has?
    Lots about Ireland. Dublin Centennial activities.
    Not a lot about stakes and cremation.
    http://www.bramstokerestate.com/Home-of-Bram-Stoker-Estate-Gothic-Dracula-Official-website-Bram-Stoker-Estate.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I just looked and it is a great site. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    i been a dracula fan for some time now, but don't know a whole lot about the creator/bram stoker himself, that website is pretty useful i must say. its insane to think there isn't even a museum or something here tributes to bram stoker/dracula, dracula has spawned countless hollywood films over the century.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    Bram Stoker museum in Fairview/Clontarf?

    NODFERATU--LOVE THAT NAME!!!

    Back to the original post- Clontarf is not the place for a memorial to Bram Stoker--and surely the neighbors in the Crescent would object to the amount of activity a museum would (hope to) generate. It would be better to have something in an area of town that tourists want to visit. There have been news articles about the Stokers trying to get a statue made of Stoker, but the Dublin won't approve any location.
    I read the blue plaque is back on Kildare St, but I haven't seen any pictures of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    thanks ashestoashes, nosferatu was taken, yeah i agree generally, if a museum were to surface it should be more central as it would be a big attraction to tourists. the bram stoker house is on adverts.ie, was on ebay and came across this.... original 1897 DRACULA 1ST EDITION by Bram Stoker print in pristine condition for only €9173

    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1897-DRACULA-1ST-EDITION-Bram-Stoker-/310304818549?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item483f9bc575#ht_2869wt_1413


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    Strange--I thought I picked this link up here, but now I have lost the thread with this link. This is SO TELLING RE THE DUBLIN TOURISM NON-ENTITIES - they are probably deleting it as fast as anybody puts it up.
    Heads should roll.

    THIS STUDY CALLS A SPADE A SPADE..........https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:1GUwMeqyEssJ:www.dcba.ie/static/doclib/Rejuvenating_the_Tourism_Product_in_Dublin._Finaldoc.pdf+dcba.ie/static/doclib/Rejuvenating_the_Tourism_Product_in_Dublin&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj4zvNsD9JhiCj6KPsWfx-exWPUGpUTX3MqDW9iFJS5DlK9QzES2T1u4GlHDuI9NsnRcX-z1PFDMm3om0KHU7AzYUmOjNE45nyUrLkI2PzGo0O6vy-N3a2BpuFwm8HUSh8qVvr7&sig=AHIEtbT3k5D3Bu64-doQGrEA2_LgX6aFnw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Strange--I thought I picked this link up here, but now I have lost the thread with this link. This is SO TELLING RE THE DUBLIN TOURISM NON-ENTITIES - they are probably deleting it as fast as anybody puts it up.
    Heads should roll.

    THIS STUDY CALLS A SPADE A SPADE..........https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:1GUwMeqyEssJ:www.dcba.ie/static/doclib/Rejuvenating_the_Tourism_Product_in_Dublin._Finaldoc.pdf+dcba.ie/static/doclib/Rejuvenating_the_Tourism_Product_in_Dublin&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj4zvNsD9JhiCj6KPsWfx-exWPUGpUTX3MqDW9iFJS5DlK9QzES2T1u4GlHDuI9NsnRcX-z1PFDMm3om0KHU7AzYUmOjNE45nyUrLkI2PzGo0O6vy-N3a2BpuFwm8HUSh8qVvr7&sig=AHIEtbT3k5D3Bu64-doQGrEA2_LgX6aFnw

    Wow, that's some report alright and I had never come across it before - like some of the attractions named in it. I'm going to print it out before commenting further. To me this picture says more about Dublin's tourism product than any report can. :mad:

    Howth.jpg
    With a telling accompanying caption: 'Because I'm interested in vehicles, my first destination in Howth was the National Transport Museum.
    Unfortunately, despite a sign saying the museum opened at 10:00, it was closed when I arrived. It didn't look like much from the outside
    .'

    http://daryllang.com/dublin/2.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    To me this picture says more about Dublin's tourism product than any report can.

    The guy's photos are great--
    the Museum
    ???
    lame, totally lame
    must have spent a pretty penny for the report. Hope somebody who can do something reads it & acts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    anyone hear the ryan tubridy show on radio this morning? they were having a chat about a possible bram stoker statue and why one doesn't exist in dublin already. t'was quite interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    didnt hear it. Should be a statue to Stoker for sure. Did it sound likely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    apparently the stoker family applied AND was granted permission to have a statue erected back in 2009 or something!! forget which year exactly but the problem is they, and the dublin city council haven't come to an agreement where it can put, one of the places st. stephens green but dublin city council won't allow it there god know's why. (bram lived on stephens green for a while). they haven't come to an agreement where they want it. thats the only reason by the sounds of it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    Thanks--maybe I can listen to it on pod cast.
    Lots in the news about Bram Stoker & Dracula because tomorrow is the centenary. Maybe Dublin tourism will go with it.............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Nodferatu wrote: »
    apparently the stoker family applied AND was granted permission to have a statue erected back in 2009 or something!! forget which year exactly but the problem is they, and the dublin city council haven't come to an agreement where it can put, one of the places st. stephens green but dublin city council won't allow it there god know's why. (bram lived on stephens green for a while). they haven't come to an agreement where they want it. thats the only reason by the sounds of it


    Dracula is infinitely superior to Ulysses and yet Joyce gets all the accolades.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    here's the link to the podcast from tubridy show its worth a listen.

    www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_tubridy.xml


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Nitochris


    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]For the day that's in it, and rather than start a new thread, here is Bram Stoker's attempt to save a drowning man[/FONT]

    [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]
    On Saturday Dr. Diplock held an inquiry at the Hope Tavern, Arthur-street, Chelsea, as to the death of a man, not yet identified, who jumped off a steamboat on Thursday evening. Mr. Bram Stoker said he lived at 27, Cheyne-walk, Chelsea, and was acting manager at the Lyceum Theatre. On Thursday evening he was on a steamer which was going from Chelsea to London-bridge. He saw the deceased, who was also on the boat, deliberately jump off into the water. Witness threw of his coat and jumped overboard after him, grappled with him, and eventually brought him to the steamer. The deceased, who appeared to have some life in him, was placed on the deck, and means were taken to resuscitate him, but to no effect. Henry Trumfield, a waterman, said he was left in charge of the steamer Twilight on Thursday. He noticed the deceased, who was standing aft, got over the rails of the vessel and jump into the river. He thought the deceased was only in the water five minutes. Police-sergeant George Ross, 5 T, said that a description of the deceased had been circulated, but no one had claimed the body. He appeared to have been a soldier, as he was branded with a “D.” His age was between 60 and 70. He had lost one finger, and was bald. In reply to the coroner, the sergeant said that Mr. Stoker had the body of the deceased taken to his house at Cheyne-walk, and called medical aid. The jury returned a verdict “the deceased committed suicide, but that there was no evidence to show his state of mind.”
    [/FONT]


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 ashestoashes


    Whoa--that is really cool-
    Bram Stoker won a medal for trying to save the man....I saw something about it on here I think
    http://bramstokerestate.com/Home-of-Bram-Stoker-Estate-Gothic-Dracula-Official-website-Bram-Stoker-Estate.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    I bought this from Amazon the other day, only 1000 copy's were made each one is stamped with number to commemorate Bram Stoker's centenary with a foreword by irish author Colm Toibin. also includes a replica copy of original contract between Bram and his publisher with his signature on bottom. pretty cool

    _MG_3128.jpg_MG_3131.jpg
    _MG_3138.jpg_MG_3135.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭etcetc


    cool thread, it is really a sad reflection on Dublin Tourism or is it bord failte or is it??? whoever is in charge now(im sure they are getting good salaries and expenses paid) that they can not market Bram Stoker and dracula.

    on the florence balcombe link i think oscar wilde was quite upset with bram stoker for stealing his childhood sweetheart http://oscarwildefanclub.com/oscar-wilde-biography-and-notes/

    i wonder can anyone clarify but did i read that wilde and stoker roomed together for a time in college?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭MarchDub


    etcetc wrote: »
    cool thread, it is really a sad reflection on Dublin Tourism or is it bord failte or is it??? whoever is in charge now(im sure they are getting good salaries and expenses paid) that they can not market Bram Stoker and dracula.

    on the florence balcombe link i think oscar wilde was quite upset with bram stoker for stealing his childhood sweetheart http://oscarwildefanclub.com/oscar-wilde-biography-and-notes/

    i wonder can anyone clarify but did i read that wilde and stoker roomed together for a time in college?

    Just to note that the link on Wilde's bio is full of factual errors about his life - far too many to go into here or it would become an Oscar Wilde thread.

    But for one, Wilde met Florence Balcombe some years before he graduated Oxford. They met in the summer of 1875. They were still close a year later when he sent her a painting he had done of Moytura House, a house his father had built in the 1860s on the site of the ancient legendary battle.

    Wilde's reaction to her marriage to Bram Stoker is tinged with the theatrics that he loved to display - Richard Ellmann, Wilde's biographer says "his letters [to Florence] after her engagement, sound distressed, not shattered".

    Stoker and Wilde didn't room together at Trinity [Stoker was actually 7 years older] but Stoker had often been a guest of the Wildes at Merrion Square and had recommended Oscar for the Philosophical Society, so they did know each other.


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