If you drink alcohol, yet you are against other drugs...

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:14PM

Sindri wrote: »

Yes you can as it actually has more medical benefits than marijuana, or morphine or LSD.
:pac:

GAWD, READ THE FUCKING LINK OR ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF NAVIGATING THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE INTERNET?

not if you're in f*cking pain!

christ all mighty like.

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:15PM

Sindri wrote: »

Here is the link just for you to read.

More benefits than (as I know of the top of my head)

Morphine-Pain relief

LSD-Possibly may be affective in cancer treatment

Marijuana-Pain Relief, Anxiety relief, Possible host of other problems associated with it.

This is referring to "health" not medical usage.

giving peach snapps to a dieing cancer paitient won't do **** all now will it bosco

Sindri · 08-02-2012 03:16PM

ntlbell wrote: »

not if you're in f*cking pain!

christ all mighty like.

I don't understand?

What are you getting at?

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:17PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Go on then

You drink small amounts over an extended period of time.

e.g. you don't go back out get smashed again then wake up with X 2 hangover.

Sindri · 08-02-2012 03:17PM

ntlbell wrote: »

This is referring to "health" not medical usage.

giving peach snapps to a dieing cancer paitient won't do **** all now will it bosco

They are medicinal benefits, as I said, don't know how this is beyond your comprehension?

And the substances you listed treat cancer how?

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:17PM

Sindri wrote: »

I don't understand?

What are you getting at?

RETARD A IS IN POXY PAIN.

we give retard A a malibu

won't help

we give retard A HTC based product = medical benefit.

really?

Sindri · 08-02-2012 03:18PM

ntlbell wrote: »

RETARD A IS IN POXY PAIN.

we give retard A a malibu

won't help

we give retard A HTC based product = medical benefit.

really?

Yes but over all alcohol has more medical benefits. Did you read the link?

:eek:

:pac:

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:19PM

Sindri wrote: »

They are medicinal benefits, as I said, don't know how this is beyond your comprehension?

And the substances you listed treat cancer how?

morphine will treat the pain of the cancer = medical benifit.

eating cabbage and sprouts = health benifit cancer prevetion etc

is this beyond your comprehension?

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:19PM

Sindri wrote: »

Yes but over all alcohol has more medical benefits. Did you read the link?

:eek::pac:

kleefarr · 08-02-2012 03:21PM

Naomi00 wrote: »

Guinness is rich in iron, they used to give out free pints to people after donating blood.

Wrong.
It has some Iron, but not much at all.

You'd need to drink three pints of Guinness to provide the same amount of iron as a single egg yolk (1.1mg), and alcohol is not good for babies. A pint of Guinness contains 0.3mg of iron, less than three per cent of daily adult needs. Put another way, you'd need to drink 15 pints of Guinness to get the same amount of iron as two Weetabix.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1222684/Dont-believe-say--Guinness-isnt-good-you.html#ixzz1lneo4MTL

Sindri · 08-02-2012 03:22PM

ntlbell wrote: »

You didn't read the link.

What is wrong with you.

You list medical benefits of marijuana and then of the prevention of cancer from eating certain foods.

Did you read the link? All the health preventative benefits. Of dementia and Diabetes, of living longer?

Living longer, not a discernible health benefit, no.

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:24PM

Sindri wrote: »

You didn't read the link.

What is wrong with you.

You list medical benefits of marijuana and then of the prevention of cancer from eating certain foods.

Did you read the link? All the health preventative benefits. Of dementia and Diabetes, of living longer?

Living longer, not a discernible health benefit, no.

health benifit != medical benifit.

giving some ****er a sprout in the bed with cancer won't do **** all

it may be a health benifit before having cancer.

now the morphine comes in and is more of medical benifit than alchol or anything else.

now **** off while i bang up.

Cú Giobach · 08-02-2012 03:27PM

Sindri wrote: »

Living longer, not a discernible health benefit, no.

More time to do drugs??

Sindri · 08-02-2012 03:27PM

ntlbell wrote: »

health benifit != medical benifit.

giving some ****er a sprout in the bed with cancer won't do **** all

it may be a health benifit before having cancer.

now the morphine comes in and is more of medical benifit than alchol or anything else.

now **** off while i bang up.

Yes, but that is to prevent pain only.

Alcohol has many many more benefits over a wider range of afflictions.

IrishEyes19 · 08-02-2012 03:28PM

Are you actually comparing drinking alcohol to using herion, cocaine...ect....

The thing is, OP, most if not the majority of people can enjoy a causal few drinks out and not descend into alcoholism.

Yet the majority of heroin users effectively destroy their own lives and others. Correct me if I'm wrong. Alcoholism is terrible and for those who turn into alcoholics, its devestating, but most people can enjoy alcohol safely, bar some who cant.

The use of hard drugs like Heroin have immediate disasterous results on someone. And the studies of cocaine ect.....have proven results of mental disorders occuring due to its usage.

So no, it's not hypocritical. Alcohol has been deemed safe to consume as long as you adhere to the guidelines in place on how much you consume. But considering how addictive Heroin and other hard drugs are, there is a reason why they are not legal.

So is it really that shocking that someone might look down on a person who has destroyed their life with heroin when its been made perfectly clear how destructive the drug is. People who are alcoholics aren't exactly looked at as nicely either. The fact is, people look down at how people have abused something to the extent that their lives are ruined. So naturally, why would you begrudge someone enjoying one glass of wine or a beer ect. If heroin ect could be enjoyed safely without serious consequences, it would be exactly the same. but the fact is, its not.

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:31PM

IrishEyes19 wrote: »

Are you actually comparing drinking alcohol to using herion, cocaine...ect....

The thing is, OP, most if not the majority of people can enjoy a causal few drinks out and not descend into alcoholism.

Yet the majority of heroin users effectively destroy their own lives and others. Correct me if I'm wrong. Alcoholism is terrible and for those who turn into alcoholics, its devestating, but most people can enjoy it safely, bar some who cant.

The use of hard drugs like Heroin have immediate disasterous results on someone. And the studies of cocaine ect.....have proven results of mental disorders occuring due to its usage.

So no, it's not hypocritical. Alcohol has been deemed safe to consume as long as you adhere to the guidelines in place on how much you consume. But considering how addictive Heroin and other hard drugs are, there is a reason why they are not legal.

So is it really that shocking that someone might look down on a person who has destroyed their life with heroin when its been made perfectly clear how destructive the drug is. People who are alcoholics aren't exactly looked at as nicely either. The fact is, people look down at how people have abused something to the extent that their lives are ruined. So naturally, why would you begrudge someone enjoying one glass of wine or a beer ect. If heroin ect could be enjoyed safely without serious consequences, it would be exactly the same. but the fact is, its not.

why do you keep banging on about heroin?

Why can someone not go out and casually have a joint or two?

snort a few lines?

drop an acid or E enjoy their night and go home?

Alcohol obviously because of the larger user base ruins more famlies and homes and lives than any other drug.

why harp on about heroin?

Conzea · 08-02-2012 03:33PM

seanbmc wrote: »

You'll never change some people's views on recreational drugs and I don't think any of them will ever be made legal.

We go out every weekend, get ridiculously drunk, pass out ,wake up and laugh it off saying it was a great night, this obviously can't be good for your health, but we see it as the norm.

If you were to call someone an alcoholic who is always up for a session or craving a pint, they jump down your throat. Then they think it's alright to label someone a stoner just because they enjoy a few joints at the weekend.

So true
Personally I have nothing against rec drug use, no one can convince me that Cannabis is as damaging as alcohol. However it would surprise if Cocaine,Heroin etc did not have damaging health consequences. Having said that, I think that choice should be made by the person not the Goverment.

Really original argument don't you think.

Goverment=bad,sinister conspiracy
Drugs=Good place with topless women and edible rainbows.

ntlbell · 08-02-2012 03:36PM

alcohol is a depressant and can have very negative effects on mental health issues or even ignite underlying ones.

You can overdose and kill yourself, nearly every time someone exceeds a fairly low dosage of alcohol they put them selves into situations and take risks that otherwise would never occur.

It can be addicitve, it kills thousands of people every year. blah blah blah

but it's grand! the government who make billions from the taxes say it's ok.

I can't recall ever seeing someone start an argument/fight etc after smoking a joint, taking an E snorting speed etc.

But every weekend the city is tormented with these drunken idiots.

foxyboxer · 08-02-2012 03:55PM

I feel that Chill Pills ought to be legalised too.

Cú Giobach · 08-02-2012 03:59PM

I love the way people are saying.... drugs bad because heroin destroys your life v's alcohol grand if you just drink sensibly.
To make a realistic comparison you have to do better than that.

Compare a few joints with a few pints of beer.
Compare speed with doing tequila slammers.
Compare cocaine with drinking whiskey.
Compare heroin with drinking pure ethanol.
Get real FFS.

grazz · 08-02-2012 04:07PM

jimpump wrote: »

Are you a huge hypocrite

In my opinion, yes!

anyone that drinks alcohol or smokes tobacco yet are against cannabis,cocaine,heroin users are the biggest hypocrites there is

Alcohol and tobacco users are the biggest cost to the health service in most countries yet these legal drugs are tolerated more than the illegal drugs out there

i just dont get it

Alcohol and tobacco destroy more lives than "illegal" drugs. Drink causes violence and family breakdown and deaths. Nobody has ever died taking marijuana or other illegal substances. Government are the biggest hypocrits in the prohibition against perfectly enjoyable and harmless past times. Marijuana is not addictive, tobacco is, how ironic Mr. Government Nannystate you allow more dangerous drugs on the market and make harmless and non addictive stuff illegal and rob its takers of their freedom to enjoy it legally like drinkers and smokers.

Temptamperu · 08-02-2012 04:08PM

grazz wrote: »

Alcohol and tobacco destroy more lives than "illegal" drugs. Drink causes violence and family breakdown and deaths. Nobody has ever died taking marijuana or other illegal substances. Government are the biggest hypocrits in the prohibition against perfectly enjoyable and harmless past times. Marijuana is not addictive, tobacco is, how ironic Mr. Government Nannystate

Im on the side of legalising drugs but please get your facts straight or everyone will think we are all uneducated

foxyboxer · 08-02-2012 04:12PM

grazz wrote: »

Alcohol and tobacco destroy more lives than "illegal" drugs. Drink causes violence and family breakdown and deaths. Nobody has ever died taking marijuana or other illegal substances. Government are the biggest hypocrits in the prohibition against perfectly enjoyable and harmless past times. Marijuana is not addictive, tobacco is, how ironic Mr. Government Nannystate you allow more dangerous drugs on the market and make harmless and non addictive stuff illegal and rob its takers of their freedom to enjoy it legally like drinkers and smokers.

[citation needed]

grazz · 08-02-2012 04:41PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Cannabis is atrociously anti social..

Well duhhh, you arent going to find people smoking it openly in pubs are you. In Holland its no less social than alcohol. Only difference is that you dont see people on weed smashing up things, starting fights, hurting other people, taking up hospital spaces and puking on the street after they are done.

grazz · 08-02-2012 04:53PM

snowfinch wrote: »

and I think it hypocritical of people who go on about being socially upstanding yet take drugs that fund the lowest of the low.

They made alcohol illegal in America and it was abused by the mob and Al Capone. the prohibition of cannabis and other plants is whats causing the criminal gangs to be around. It also makes the drugs a lot more dangerous because all sorts of crap are put into them, like the mob used to put dangerous chemicals in drink to spread out the profit in the 20s and 30s. When alchohol was illegal, it funded illegal activity. People who want other recreational drugs are made to suffer while drinkers and smokers are allowed to legally carry out their habits which have been proven to cause a lot more social and health problems than drugs which are illegal.

wilkie2006 · 08-02-2012 05:02PM

Drugs should be legal because alcohol and tobacco are? Wow, what a flawed, illogical - not to mention boring - argument.

Yes, booze and cigs are bad for your health. That doesn't mean that the flood gates should be opened for more $hit that's bad for you. Logically, alcohol and cigarettes should be made illegal - not the other way round.

Temptamperu · 08-02-2012 05:04PM

To all who dont want weed legalised. Would you smoke weed if it was legal?

xflyer · 08-02-2012 05:13PM

You need to be careful with arguments like this. If you finally get everyone to agree that alcohol is just as harmful as other drugs. What WON'T happen is that other drugs will be decriminalised. What WILL happen is that alcohol with either be banned or severely restricted.

In fact that it's slowly happening now as the nanny state gradually tightens the rules and increases the taxes.

To answer the OP's original insult. I am not a hypocrite for liking a drink and thinking other drugs should be kept banned. I would add cigarettes to that because they are addictive and will kill you. Ban them too. It's a pointless drug there is no high whatsoever.

Alcohol is a known quantity learned over the millenia. We know what happens when it's abused. For all the others, everyone of you indulging in a spliff or whatever are undertaking a giant experiment because no one really knows the effect it will have on you.

If someone invented alcohol today, it would be immediately banned for it's effects. But it's been around as long as mankind. Nothing to do with governments wanting to make money out of it.

thebaz · 08-02-2012 05:19PM

I spend most of my life giving up one drug or another , after all the pleasantries ware off - a few years off weed , started making me seriously paranoid, if i was not so already , a few years off drink - completly wore me out in the end (my stomach) - currently a few weeks off cigarettes - having just returned from America , the worst drug I see is crack/cocaine/ice - serious mental side effects - they should be illegal IMO - legalising weed would allow it to be properly checked and controlled , getting rid of some of the more toxic additives that are added these days - I'd also legalise heroin, so as to control its usage , similar to the questionable legal methadone approach - either way it doesn't effect me, as i couldn't smoke it again , unless maybe some milder forms of hash - but doubt it

Temptamperu · 08-02-2012 05:28PM

xflyer wrote: »

You need to be careful with arguments like this. If you finally get everyone to agree that alcohol is just as harmful as other drugs. What WON'T happen is that other drugs will be decriminalised. What WILL happen is that alcohol with either be banned or severely restricted.

In fact that it's slowly happening now as the nanny state gradually tightens the rules and increases the taxes.

To answer the OP's original insult. I am not a hypocrite for liking a drink and thinking other drugs should be kept banned. I would add cigarettes to that because they are addictive and will kill you. Ban them too. It's a pointless drug there is no high whatsoever.

Alcohol is a known quantity learned over the millenia. We know what happens when it's abused. For all the others, everyone of you indulging in a spliff or whatever are undertaking a giant experiment because no one really knows the effect it will have on you.

If someone invented alcohol today, it would be immediately banned for it's effects. But it's been around as long as mankind. Nothing to do with governments wanting to make money out of it.

You do know marijauna has been in use about the same amount of time as beer? Egyptians used it, the chinese, victorians and it was legal until 1930 when american cotten farmers lobbied against the cheaper easier to farm hemp farmers, and then it was told to the masses only lazy blacks and mexicans used it then the lies continued up until today when you are now espouting the same **** the goverments of the world want you to say.

You know what happens when you smoke weed? You watch family guy with your friends or you eat some chips and laugh.

What happens when you drink? You never know whats going to happen leading to kids in hospital, the number of broken jaws going through the roof after the smoking ban. Black outs, date rape and most importantly spousal and child abuse.

If you drink alcohol, yet you are against other drugs...

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