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16 year old GIRL shot dead in Tallaght

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  • #62
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    And then there was that chap in limerick shane geoghegan mistaking identify


    RIP to the poor girl


  • #63
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    NO 16 year old deserves to be shot I dint care where she is from . In my opinion she is still a child . My sympathy is with her family


  • #64
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    ilovelamp2000 wrote: »
    Well Mods should start banning people for excessive stupidity then. It will lessen the need for abuse.



    Here's the important bit, I'd love to be able to post it in crayon for KTRIC.

    You do a driveby on a car because you know the person that owns it will be driving it. Not because there might be someone you want to kill in the passenger seat.

    How many drive bys do you do in a year? ;)

    Who knows if she was the target or not. You can't conclusively say she was or she wasn't so your point is... well pointless.

    Sad loss of life, no doubt.


  • #65
    Kiera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭Kiera


    ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

    Here's the important bit, I'd love to be able to post it in crayon for KTRIC.

    :D


  • #66
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm not going to jump on the Liberalist band wagon and go "RIP girl that we didn't know"

    Quite likely she / they were due what they got. You don't get shot in Dublin for no good reason.

    You said you dont get shot in dublin for no good reason. So being a plumber in a house where another is the target is good reason?

    Or buying cigarettes at the petrol station in finglas? The reason being they were mistaken for others?

    ntlbell wrote: »
    Yes, Well I'm not suggesting it's a valid reason.

    but obviously the plumber seen the shooter and could now identify him.

    You're not going to leave a living witness.

    so he was "innocent" but he was shot for a reason.

    Good enough reasons are they, to deserve being shot?


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  • #67
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    KTRIC wrote: »
    When was the last time all of you were shot at ??? If someone puts themselves in a environment and circle that would inevitably mean they would come into the firing line at some stage then I have absolutely no sympathy for them. Obviously there are exceptions like the unfortunate plumber that was dragged into this thread. I stand by my original post.

    Well shame on you then. On your lack of humanity and on your stupidity. You were shown the idiocy of your original post and you're determined to continue in the same vein. Your reaction to this story is disgusting and you need to have a hard look at yourself if this is how you really feel.


  • #68
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    ilovelamp2000 wrote: »
    Well Mods should start banning people for excessive stupidity then. It will lessen the need for abuse.



    Here's the important bit, I'd love to be able to post it in crayon for KTRIC.

    You do a driveby on a car because you know the person that owns it will be driving it. Not because there might be someone you want to kill in the passenger seat.

    That's a bit of a wild assumption.


  • #69
    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,346 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    Well shame on you then. On your lack of humanity and on your stupidity. You were shown the idiocy of your original post and you're determined to continue in the same vein. Your reaction to this story is disgusting and you need to have a hard look at yourself if this is how you really feel.

    I'm sorry I'll try and feel some humanity and remorse for my post later. Maybe I can fit it in-between my work down at the methadone clinic and teaching English to Roma :rolleyes:


  • #70
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    MagicSean wrote: »
    That's a bit of a wild assumption.

    It's really not. Targeting a vehicle is more likely to be targeting the owner of the vehicle than some possible passenger. The suggestion might be speculative, ,but no more speculative than this;
    MagicSean wrote: »
    A previous poster said she was a traveller. If that is true she could easily have been shot for refusing to marry someone or dating the wrong guy. This is how most feuds start. Whatever we may think about travellers, I think it is very sad that their children are put under this kind of pressure to marry and in some cases have no choice. I'm sure the facts will come out soon but I'd put money on it being an internal feud based on something small that we take for granted. I very much doubt she deserved it at all. May she rest in peace.


  • #71
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm sorry I'll try and feel some humanity and remorse for my post later. Maybe I can fit it in-between my work down at the methadone clinic and teaching English to Roma :rolleyes:

    Wow, you're now actually posting even more stupidly than you started with.


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  • #72
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    It's really not. Targeting a vehicle is more likely to be targeting the owner of the vehicle than some possible passenger. The suggestion might be speculative, ,but no more speculative than this;

    And how much experience do you have with driveby shootings?


  • #73
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    It's really not. Targeting a vehicle is more likely to be targeting the owner of the vehicle than some possible passenger. The suggestion might be speculative, ,but no more speculative than this;

    If they planned to kill her than they could have easily watched her get into the car and followed it. Or they could have seen her in the car by chance and followed it.

    The car was parked. The driver may not have been in it, there could have been a clear shot regardless of what direction the car was facing in or what side of the road it was on.

    Being in the passenger seat doesn't make her being the intended target particularly unlikely.


  • #74
    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,346 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    Wow, you're now actually posting even more stupidly than you started with.

    Sorry I'll see if I can change crayon to emphasise the sarcasm in my post. :rolleyes:


  • #75
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    MagicSean wrote: »
    And how much experience do you have with driveby shootings?

    We'll ignore your Ad Hominem argument and move on.

    Doing them, none, dealing with the aftermath, quite a bit. Less important than that though, simple logic says the target is more likely to be the normal occupant of the car than anyone else, which is what was speculated.


  • #76
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    robbie7730 wrote: »



    Good enough reasons are they, to deserve being shot?

    Read the post again.


  • #77
    Dr. Manhattan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Dr. Manhattan


    Seachmall wrote: »
    If they planned to kill her than they could have easily watched her get into the car and followed it. Or they could have seen her in the car by chance and followed it.

    The car was parked. The driver may not have been in it, there could have been a clear shot regardless of what direction the car was facing in or what side of the road it was on.

    Being in the passenger seat doesn't make her being the intended target particularly unlikely.

    Indeed, but that still doesn't make the speculation that the normal occupant of the car was the most likely target a "wild assumption".
    KTRIC wrote: »
    Sorry I'll see if I can change crayon to emphasise the sarcasm in my post. :rolleyes:

    I got the sarcasm, but the post was cretinous, as is that one.


  • #78
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Read the post again.

    To use the words, "shot for a reason" with regard to an innocent victim, is a disgrace.


  • #79
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Dr. Manhattan wrote: »
    Indeed, but that still doesn't make the speculation that the normal occupant of the car was the most likely target a "wild assumption".

    Well it's an assumption not supported by anything we know about the incident, which could be called a "wild" assumption.

    But that's just semantics.


  • #80
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    Far too much speculation going on this thread.


  • #81
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    To use the words, "shot for a reason" with regard to an innocent victim, is a disgrace.


    oh stop with the over the top drama queen business ffs.

    There was a specific reason he was shot yes he was an innocent victim but the reason still stands. "valid" is not for you or I to decide.


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  • #82
    msg11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Dublin actually Ireland is getting more unbelievable by the month, the gangsters are running riot in the place and the government don't give a rats arse about it. This won't be the last of these innocent shootings, if the Garda don't start showing a bit of force or actually the government let them show a bit of force, then this is going too end up with members of the public and Garda been shot dead on a regular basis.

    Sad to say, I didn't think twice about what I read. It didn't hit me that a 16 year old was needless shot dead. That too me say alot about the direction society is taking in this country, and I for one don't want to go down the road of living in the bronx.

    Innocent people get caught up with moronic gob****es with guns a few times a year. Sure remember that bloke that was shot dead in East Wall cause he confronted some retrograde retard with a gun that egged his house? He was shot dead. Then that Traffic Garda also in East Wall, that was doing a traffic stop only to be blasted with a shot gun to inches of his life. The two lads getting petrol in Tesco Clearwater that got savaged for no reason other than mistaken identity. No doubt in my mind , that this is another case of wrong place wrong time for this poor girl.


  • #83
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    To use the words, "shot for a reason" with regard to an innocent victim, is a disgrace.
    It's not really, Ntlbell never said it was a good or justifiable reason, just a reason. A reason could be that she was sitting in the wrong car at the wrong time, a reason could be that bunch of scumbags wanted to see if their gun could shoot through cars and picked the nearest one at random, it could be anything.

    The only thing we know for sure is that we don't know very much about it at all. It's funny how quick everyone is to pick sides and defend them vehemently when there's little to know information.


  • #84
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    ntlbell wrote: »
    "valid" is not for you or I to decide.

    Eh, yes it is.


  • #85
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I'm not going to jump on the Liberalist band wagon and go "RIP girl that we didn't know"

    Quite likely she / they were due what they got. You don't get shot in Dublin for no good reason.

    i doubt ud be saying that if your 16 year old sister/daughter or anybody close to you was killed as innocent bystander, which im pretty sure if the case here.

    shots were fired at a car, would signify to me it was an adult they were after, probably the driver.

    may she rest in peace.


  • #86
    farna_boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭farna_boy


    Nabber wrote: »
    Far too much speculation going on this thread.

    Yep.

    Although the main problem that I have with the thread is peoples outrage that a GIRL was shot. It is a terrible tragedy when a child is shot no matter whether it is a boy or a girl, but why does everyone assume that just because she was a GIRL she clearly did nothing wrong.

    If it were a 16 year old boy, would the outrage be the same?

    I doubt it.


  • #87
    anhedonia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭anhedonia


    msg11 wrote: »
    No doubt in my mind , that this is another case of wrong place wrong time for this poor girl.

    Horse****.
    How can your first assumption be that this was wrong place/wrong time, when the majority of annual killings are properly executed.
    It is more likely that she was the intended target, or she was associating with the intended target, given that the majority of killings are not mistaken identity.
    I have sympathy, but she could have avoided this by not associating with criminals.


  • #88
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    ntlbell wrote: »
    oh stop with the over the top drama queen business ffs.
    Ironic post there
    There was a specific reason he was shot yes he was an innocent victim but the reason still stands. "valid" is not for you or I to decide.

    The only one person that decided it was a valid reason, was the murderer.
    You can remain undecided as to whether it was valid.


  • #89
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    farna_boy wrote: »
    If it were a 16 year old boy, would the outrage be the same?

    I doubt it.

    I think if any child was shot the outrage would be the same.

    If it was a guy more people might be willing to believe he was involved in criminal activities, sure, but the age of the victim is a huge factor here. I'd imagine it's the major factor here.


  • #90
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    stevenmu wrote: »
    It's not really, Ntlbell never said it was a good or justifiable reason, just a reason. A reason could be that she was sitting in the wrong car at the wrong time, a reason could be that bunch of scumbags wanted to see if their gun could shoot through cars and picked the nearest one at random, it could be anything.

    The only thing we know for sure is that we don't know very much about it at all. It's funny how quick everyone is to pick sides and defend them vehemently when there's little to know information.

    I think when people say 'for a reason', generally its assumed its a valid reason. To go on Ntlbell's logic, yes, the plumber was shot for a reason - the reason started with gunpowder being ignited. This caused a chemical reaction & fired a projectile. Thats a reason too.


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  • #91
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    stevenmu wrote: »
    It's not really, Ntlbell never said it was a good or justifiable reason, just a reason. A reason could be that she was sitting in the wrong car at the wrong time, a reason could be that bunch of scumbags wanted to see if their gun could shoot through cars and picked the nearest one at random, it could be anything.

    The only thing we know for sure is that we don't know very much about it at all. It's funny how quick everyone is to pick sides and defend them vehemently when there's little to know information.

    I was posting in reference to a proven innocent victim though.


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