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If you drink alcohol, yet you are against other drugs...

  • 08-02-2012 02:29AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭


    Are you a huge hypocrite

    In my opinion, yes!

    anyone that drinks alcohol or smokes tobacco yet are against cannabis,cocaine,heroin users are the biggest hypocrites there is

    Alcohol and tobacco users are the biggest cost to the health service in most countries yet these legal drugs are tolerated more than the illegal drugs out there

    i just dont get it


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    Not really, alcohol can have medicinal benefits.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Well, I've never heard this argument before! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    jimpump wrote: »
    Are you a huge hypocrite

    In my opinion, yes!

    anyone that drinks alcohol or smokes tobacco yet are against cannabis,cocaine,heroin users are the biggest hypocrites there is

    Alcohol and tobacco users are the biggest cost to the health service in most countries yet these legal drugs are tolerated more than the illegal drugs out there

    i just dont get

    I think you may be mixing up use and abuse. Just because I have a glass of wine at dinner but am against cannabis,cocaine,heroin use I am the biggest hypocrites there is? Grow up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    People have been conditioned with falsehoods and propaganda since the 20s its not hard to see where they are coming from.
    They are wrong and hypocrites but its not their fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    Ok bye now..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭jimpump


    Sindri wrote: »
    Not really, alcohol can have medicinal benefits.

    are ya sure bout that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Anyone who disagrees with me yet breathes air is a hypocrite!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭jimpump


    Naomi00 wrote: »
    Ok bye now..

    interesting response :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    jimpump wrote: »
    interesting response :rolleyes:

    To such an equally interesting and inspiring thread.



    Of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Sindri wrote: »
    Not really, alcohol can have medicinal benefits.
    So can weed and cocaine can be used in dentistry, also there are studies that mdma can help with parkinsons cancer and MS.
    All alcohol can do is clean a wound.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    jimpump wrote: »
    are ya sure bout that?

    As sure as one can be. Are you sure of what you wrote in the OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    So can weed and cocaine can be used in dentistry, also there are studies that mdma can help with parkinsons cancer and MS.
    All alcohol can do is clean a wound.

    Not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    So can weed and cocaine can be used in dentistry, also there are studies that mdma can help with parkinsons cancer and MS.
    All alcohol can do is clean a wound.

    Guinness is rich in iron, they used to give out free pints to people after donating blood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    All alcohol can do is clean a wound.

    FALSE

    Its also gotten me laid! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    Big big big difference between drink and heroin, cocaine's a crazy drug as well. Cannabis should be decriminalised, I'd say it's roughly as dangerous as drink. Your point falls down with heroin, it can actually ruin a whole life in one hour. It's not like being for or against different types of rape, it is not a black and white issue, people and substance use is not a simple issue, to say otherwise is simply naive.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, cannibis, cocaine, etc are not!

    Forgive me for not wanting to end up in Mountjoy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Alcohol is a drug and if it was newly discovered it would be promptly banned. It causes many problems, but so do drugs and if they were legal they would cause more problems.

    So no I do not equate the two and i am not for legalising drugs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭jimpump


    Sindri wrote: »
    As sure as one can be. Are you sure of what you wrote in the OP.

    explain...

    cocaine is used in dentistry

    heroin,cannabis are used to relieve pain

    only thing alcohol does is maybe clean a wound and damage your liver


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    jimpump wrote: »
    explain...

    cocaine is used in dentistry

    heroin,cannabis are used to relieve pain

    only thing alcohol does is maybe clean a wound and damage your liver

    Are you reading your own thread? look at post #13


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    i drink and smoke but i dont do drugs. tbh i couldnt give a **** if the next person is on drugs as long as they dont interfere with me or my family


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    jimpump wrote: »
    explain...

    cocaine is used in dentistry

    heroin,cannabis are used to relieve pain

    only thing alcohol does is maybe clean a wound and damage your liver

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76971349&postcount=13


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭jimpump


    Big big big difference between drink and heroin, cocaine's a crazy drug as well. Cannabis should be decriminalised, I'd say it's roughly as dangerous as drink. Your point falls down with heroin, it can actually ruin a whole life in one hour. It's not like being for or against different types of rape, it is not a black and white issue, people and substance use is not a simple issue, to say otherwise is simply naive.

    yet heroin/opiates/diamorphine keep plenty of people who have pain beyond belief live a normal life

    get your facts straight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    jimpump wrote: »
    explain...

    cocaine is used in dentistry

    heroin,cannabis are used to relieve pain

    only thing alcohol does is maybe clean a wound and damage your liver

    Maybe if you're living about 100 years ago.. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Jagle


    man are you stupid?
    drink and fags arnt drugs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,484 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Big big big difference between drink and heroin, cocaine's a crazy drug as well. Cannabis should be decriminalised, I'd say it's roughly as dangerous as drink. Your point falls down with heroin, it can actually ruin a whole life in one hour. It's not like being for or against different types of rape, it is not a black and white issue, people and substance use is not a simple issue, to say otherwise is simply naive.

    I can guarantee booze is far more dangerous then Cannabis


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Doc wrote: »
    I think you may be mixing up use and abuse. Just because I have a glass of wine at dinner but am against cannabis,cocaine,heroin use I am the biggest hypocrites there is? Grow up.

    And many cannabis users don't abuse it either.
    Having a smoke or a vape after dinner instead of the glass of wine at dinner.


    Naomi00 wrote: »
    Guinness is rich in iron,

    Not any more.
    I can guarantee booze is far more dangerous then Cannabis

    QFT...... http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49735000/gif/_49735645_drugs_comparisons_464gr.gif
    Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt

    Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack when the overall dangers to the individual and society are considered, according to a study in the Lancet.

    The report is co-authored by Professor David Nutt, the former government chief drugs adviser who was sacked in 2009.

    It ranked 20 drugs on 16 measures of harm to users and to wider society.

    Heroin, crack and crystal meth were deemed worst for individuals, with alcohol, heroin and crack cocaine worst for society, and alcohol worst overall.

    The study by the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs also said tobacco and cocaine were judged to be equally harmful, while ecstasy and LSD were among the least damaging.
    Harm score

    Professor Nutt refused to leave the drugs debate when he was sacked from his official post by the former Labour Home Secretary, Alan Johnson.

    He went on to form the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs, which says it aims to investigate the drug issue without any political interference.

    One of its other members is Dr Les King, another former government adviser who quit over Prof Nutt's treatment.

    Members of the group, joined by two other experts, scored each drug for harms including mental and physical damage, addiction, crime and costs to the economy and communities.

    The study involved 16 criteria, including a drug's affects on users' physical and mental health, social harms including crime, "family adversities" and environmental damage, economic costs and "international damage".
    'Valid and necessary'

    The findings run contrary to the government's long-established drug classification system, but the paper's authors argue that their system - based on the consensus of experts - provides an accurate assessment of harm for policy makers.

    "Our findings lend support to previous work in the UK and the Netherlands, confirming that the present drug classification systems have little relation to the evidence of harm," the paper says.

    "They also accord with the conclusions of previous expert reports that aggressively targeting alcohol harms is a valid and necessary public health strategy."

    In 2007, Prof Nutt and colleagues undertook a limited attempt to create a harm ranking system, sparking controversy over the criteria and the findings.

    The new, more complex, system ranked alcohol as three times more harmful than cocaine or tobacco. Ecstasy was ranked as causing one-eighth the harm of alcohol.

    It also contradicted the Home Office's decision to make the so-called legal high mephedrone a Class B drug, saying that alcohol was five times more harmful.

    The rankings have been published to coincide with a conference on drugs policy, organised by Prof Nutt's committee.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭jimpump


    Doc wrote: »
    FALSE

    Its also gotten me laid! ;)

    and probably got you on a floppy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Naomi00 wrote: »
    Maybe if you're living about 100 years ago.. :confused:
    40 years ago actually.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,617 ✭✭✭inagoodway


    yes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    40 years ago actually.



    That made me lol. :P


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