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Why do Irish people begrudge so much?

  • 07-02-2012 09:01PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭


    Why is that whenever someone Irish is doing well, lots of people here (I mean Ireland, not Boards) can't just wish them the best, and instead hope they end up failing?

    It's fúcked up.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    I'm just sick of people begrudging my begrudgery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,590 ✭✭✭theteal


    really? i've never seen this phenomenon of which you speak


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Jesus...I don't know any Irish person thats doing wel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    *typo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    Well with me it's pure jealousy .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Your friends and family are just depressing people to be around, hence the begrudging.

    Identify the common denominator and you'll find out why everyone you know is so hate filled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    I don't really begrudge but jaysus like the rest of the Irish I love moaning about everything, the more trivial the better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Arrah sure what would ye yun fellas know about begrudgery, hah?

    Never done an honest day's begrudgin' in yere lives!

    We'd have ta walk ta shchool in the snow in the winter afor we begrudged oursels the use a our own shoes!

    But really, it's not exclusively Irish. Pretty much everyone does it*, we just notice it more when we do it.

    EDIT: Also, it's human nature to criticise yourself and those you see as being part of your social group (eg. your family, your compatriots etc) rather than criticise others. Look at the way, for example, the English tabloid press are so quick to tear down home-grown celebrities, and especially the national football team. Though of course newspaper sales factor heavily into that too.

    *Though there does seem to be a higher proportion of upbeat, trusting, optimistic Americans, from my experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Archeron


    They dont. I dont know a single person who would hope somebody would end up failing and I wouldnt want to. I genuinely have no idea where this rumour stems from.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    I think it's more a complaining type thing and ya it's head wrecking. I have to avoid some people just because I'm not in the mood to hear a dirge of whining.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    I'm pretty sure we still appreciate people who are doing well as a result using their talents to achieve something challenging and noteworthy which we could all be proud of. Its cunts like Jedward we hate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Fourteen wrote: »
    Why is that whenever someone Irish is doing well, lots of people here (I mean Ireland, not Boards) can't just wish them the best, and instead hope they end up failing?

    It's fúcked up.

    You and your fukn new thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    We only begrudge people who have worked hard for their success, we love the cute hoors who swindle to the top but if your lucky you deserve it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Fourteen


    It's not just a rumour, it's common, you see it on boards too.

    It's like people can't accept someone else doing well/can't control their own jealousy.

    I know it's not just Ireland of course, but it is noticeable here for sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    It's to do partially with our culture and, I think, our value of I suppose I would call it Xenia. Xenia in ancient Greece was the concept of looking after visitors and generally being nice to strangers. We have something similar here where we are expected to provide even for strangers and yet we are also expected not to be a nuisance or impede on our hosts or friends good intentions or whatever. We are not meant to bother other people with ourselves. Our begrudgery, at the end of the day, is something like or social interaction and the expectation of us to defer and hold our tongues and even our needs and this leads us to bottle up things and then later feel begrudging, as evident by our cuntiness to other people when we feel it is morally advantageous.

    Now that sounds like a load of ****e but if I had the right words I could describe adequately it's just viewing and explaining a part of your culture that has been internalised to such an extent it is a foundation of our attitudes makes it very hard to do particularly in such a short time.

    Otherwise is partially because we are insecure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    You and your fukn new thread

    you and your begrudgery!

    This is quite clearly a super fun thread...NAAAAt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Archeron wrote: »
    They dont. I dont know a single person who would hope somebody would end up failing and I wouldnt want to. I genuinely have no idea where this rumour stems from.

    Closet begrudger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭V Eight


    Fourteen wrote: »
    Why is that whenever someone Irish is doing well, lots of people here (I mean Ireland, not Boards) can't just wish them the best, and instead hope they end up failing?

    It's fúcked up.

    Do you genuinely enjoy hearing someone else has won the national lottery and not you? Someone who then goes on to say they will keep working in the local post office and maybe go on a little holiday somewhere nice! Aaaaaagh.......... I begrudge, I begrudge!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Only 19 replies, brilliant, I'm delighted!


    :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Only 19 replies, brilliant, I'm delighted!


    :pac::pac:

    No recession here, wha?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    But Bono is a cutn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Arrah sure what would ye yun fellas know about begrudgery, hah?

    Never done an honest day's begrudgin' in yere lives!

    We'd have ta walk ta shchool in the snow in the winter afor we begrudged oursels the use a our own shoes!

    Tell us more about how it was back in the day, tell us about the fields, go on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    People fought and died so that we could begrudge other Irish people! When the Brits were here they banned it along with our other national pastime, leap-frog!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 Datotrunk


    Another thread like this grrr, op stop begrudging begrudgers:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    44leto wrote: »
    But Bono is a cutn.

    And in Bono's head he truely believes that Irish people commonly hold this opinion because of their 'begrudgery' and hatred of anyone successful.

    Interestingly, I've never read a single bad word about The Edge, Larry Mullin or Adam Clayton on boards :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Tell us more about how it was back in the day, tell us about the fields, go on!

    Mysel, I preferred ta walk along the top of the drystone walls, on accounta all the fields around our house were owned by aul Johnny Murtaugh, an them Murtaughs'd be flashin' their money around just cos they were after makin' a few bob outta the farmin'.

    So to spite them, I'd refuse ta walk through their fields, even though they said we could and it'd save us an hour walking to school.
    I broke six legs walkin' them walls, but it was well worth it just not to give them bollickses the satisfaction!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    I begrudge drug dealers flash cars and lavish lifestyles.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    latenia wrote: »
    And in Bono's head he truely believes that Irish people commonly hold this opinion because of their 'begrudgery' and hatred of anyone successful.

    Interestingly, I've never read a single bad word about The Edge, Larry Mullin or Adam Clayton on boards :confused:

    Because they are not blowing off about third world aid while non of them IMO pay their fair tax.

    I irony is I am a huge U2 fan and I was genuinely with them since the beginning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Mysel, I preferred ta walk along the top of the drystone walls, on accounta all the fields around our house were owned by aul Johnny Murtaugh, an them Murtaughs'd be flashin' their money around just cos they were after makin' a few bob outta the farmin'.

    So to spite them, I'd refuse ta walk through their fields, even though they said we could and it'd save us an hour walking to school.
    I broke six legs walkin' them walls, but it was well worth it just not to give them bollickses the satisfaction!

    Those feckin landowners and their ways, good on ya, begrdugery back then was like a fine sport, nowadays it's superfluous and meaningless!

    Six legs that's awful and of course no shoes to put them in!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 644 ✭✭✭wolf moon


    Fourteen wrote: »
    Why is that whenever someone Irish is doing well, lots of people here (I mean Ireland, not Boards) can't just wish them the best, and instead hope they end up failing?
    Bullsh1t.


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