Hey guys, please don't destroy civil society

Ellis Dee · 06-02-2012 05:36PM

Scofflaw has another thread on this theme and there are some good points made in the comments posted so far.

What Crosbie is saying is that there is such a flood of information available to us nowadays that we can't possibly handle it ourselves and we need people to filter and arrange it and put it into perspective for us.

"In fact, what's important is the information itself,not what carries it.If we want to achieve variety of opinion and action in a society, then that society needs lots of different streams of information. That's important.But, just as important is the provenance of that information, the quality mark, where it comes from and how it stands up to scrutiny.Right now, in this country and almost everywhere else in the world, people have more information coming at them than at any time in history.Someone told me recently that one edition of any of the major Sunday newspapers for example the Sunday Business Post would have more information in it than a scholar in the middle ages would have encountered in the entire course of his life. --- The key difference is that the newspaper stuff has been gathered by trained, professional reporters, filtered by trained, professional editors, considered, in some cases, by lawyers, sub-edited and double-checked before it arrives with the reader[/B]"

In other words, what he is saying in the bit I've boldfaced is that we can't be trusted to check things for ourselves. He and his colleagues in the old media can be trusted to decide what we are told and what slant is put on it.

That's a lot to ask when we look at rags like the Indo and some of the hacks in the media even today. And especially remember that it is not so long since some of them were wholeheartedly in favour of Section 31.

No thanks, Mr. Crosbie, I'll stick with the new media, that give me a big choice of sources that I can check and compare against each other. In no way do I want my tax money going to help pay the likes of Own Arse or Kevin Myarse decide what it's good for me to know.:rolleyes:

thebigbiffo · 06-02-2012 05:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

...Really? And if the agenda of that piece is a product of the managment/editorial staff?

You'll also find that there's infinetly more weight attached to what appears in 'traditional' broadsheets and printed media than what flys around on the net. Theres damn few times you see stories originating with worldnet daily and the like floating around for years.

I’ve a feeling it’s more the perceived agenda of what’s written and not the accuracy that’s a real problem then? Like if they printed a completely inaccurate piece on why accepting asylum seekers is a good thing I can’t imagine you’d be too put out. I’m not trying to be smart btw, just saying.

And that’s my point! More weight should be attached to print journalism – it’s a profession and in many cases a vocation. There are bad ones yes, but in general it’s a very honourable job for little thanks and one or 2 inaccurate stories shouldn’t taint the entire medium.

Nodin · 06-02-2012 05:51PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

I’ve a feeling it’s more the perceived agenda of what’s written and not the accuracy that’s a real problem then?

After a certain number of times, one can only conclude that it's agenda=lack of 'accuracy'.

thebigbiffo wrote: »

Like if they printed a completely inaccurate piece on why accepting asylum seekers is a good thing I can’t imagine you’d be too put out. I’m not trying to be smart btw, just saying.

I wouldn't be put out, I'd be dead of shock.

thebigbiffo wrote: »

And that’s my point! More weight should be attached to print journalism – it’s a profession and in many cases a vocation. There are bad ones yes, but in general it’s a very honourable job for little thanks and one or 2 inaccurate stories shouldn’t taint the entire medium.

One or two? Myers alone would take a thread to go through.

And we're talking about Irish media here, and three papers.

mikom · 06-02-2012 05:54PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Someone told me recently that one edition of any of the major Sunday newspapers for example the Sunday Business Post would have more information in it than a scholar in the middle ages would have encountered in the entire course of his life.

"Someone told me"
The mark of quality.

Nodin · 06-02-2012 05:55PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

the newspaper stuff has been gathered by trained, professional reporters, filtered by trained, professional editors, considered, in some cases, by lawyers, sub-edited and double-checked before it arrives with the reader[/B]"

..........

I'm sure they do, the odd time. It seems to depend on who they're targeting.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/interpreter-in-lawlor-case-settles-libel-actions-1213491.html
That never would have happened with CJH.

And of course, when targeting groups - "the unemployed" "single mothers" etc, that's rather different again and where the real crap flies.

cocoshovel · 06-02-2012 06:01PM

What type of "new media's" is he referring to specifically? Is it just websites as whole, or different genre's of media websites?

He can piss back to his little hole of out dated forms of media the little greedy git.
I avoid most forms of traditional media as its complete bull and doesnt cover the whole story. News papers, news channels, and even the large news websites arent very accurate etc.
I have a select few places I visit to read about what really happened and see the stuff they're afraid to show elsewhere and hear about the things that matter and isnt heavily edited/blown out of proportion. Its not all neccesserily things that are taboo either, they are things that should and need to be seen by everyone.

This is nothing but pure scare mongering and is suggesting that we go back rather than advance. Something that is all too prevalent in this country especially amongst the older people, they dont want to advance, they just want to stay as they are and not change anything and písses me right off.

Solair · 06-02-2012 06:06PM

I really find these pleas from old industries to restrict the internet are getting a bit ridiculous.

Selling people stories once a day, printed on paper, is not really the way forward.

The Examiner's also behind www.breakingnews.ie which is one of the most successful Irish news sites.

Maybe newspapers need to find a new way of presenting themselves online. So far, all I've seen is either sites that give the paper away for free, or cumbersome PDF type downloads where you pay.

I think with the growth of tablet devices, like the iPad and Android tablets, newspapers and magazines will be able to be purchased online once again. These devices all have payment methods.

K-9 · 06-02-2012 11:22PM

mikom wrote: »

"Someone told me"
The mark of quality.

Usually treated with disdain online as well.

DeVore · 14-02-2012 06:07AM

I'll try not to accidentally the whole civil society.

Alan Crosbie has since been replaced as head of the Examiner group.

This whole thing reminds me of an article where the author listed over a hundred inaccuracies in Wikipedia where Encyc. Brittania only had roughly sixty.
The first comment on the article said "Check them again now."

The first post on this thread is a great example. The OP makes a glaring mistake and the second post corrects it! Far from zinging the OP's point, the second post effectively *makes* it.

New Media is held to a higher level of scrutiny and correction than old. There is a place for investigative journalism. Its called "online".

LH Pathe · 14-02-2012 06:18AM

Keep em hobo fires burnin

yelofmail · 28-04-2012 04:02PM

How can one express their displeasure directly to Thomas Crosby Holdings? I mean an email address that goes to corporate HQ and not an individual paper or radio station?

Latchy · 28-04-2012 04:33PM

I love getting my news from the internet ...even the shyte online newpapers can be a good source of amusement .

Nodin · 28-04-2012 04:36PM

super_furry wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0206/media.html

Because Alan Crosbie reckons that you will if you don't continue to buy his newspapers and ignore the internet. This, coming a week after the so called 'new media' made absolute ****e of the Irish Independent's 'Magda' article, is particularly delicious.

Edit - Indo type error ammended, with a full and heart felt apology.

Yep, we anonymous thugs will destroy the pure and true works of such pillars as Tony O'Reilly and his successor, Citizen in Good Standing Denis O'Brien.

Jaysus I feel terrible guilty....

Battered Mars Bar · 28-04-2012 04:59PM

There's nothing civil about this society imvfho

Hey guys, please don't destroy civil society

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