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"There was contact!"

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  • #62
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Just to follow up my point earlier, tonight there was a blatant dive from Bale & it goes without mention after the game. The commentators actually actively defended him when replays were being shown of his cheating.


  • #63
    billymitchell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭billymitchell


    What about if there is no contact because the player took evasive action to avoid the tackle, and had a choice of either jump out of the way or get injured? Is that a foul?


  • #64
    counterlock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭counterlock


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Just to follow up my point earlier, tonight there was a blatant dive from Bale & it goes without mention after the game. The commentators actually actively defended him when replays were being shown of his cheating.

    Thats par for the course with Sky though. They can't taint the image of the guys that make money for them - unless they can sensationalise it for Sky sports news.


  • #65
    Sir Gallagher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Just to follow up my point earlier, tonight there was a blatant dive from Bale & it goes without mention after the game. The commentators actually actively defended him when replays were being shown of his cheating.


    Yeah noticed that myself. Bale goes down like a sack of sh1t Agger shouts at him to get the fck up. Sky commentator "looking back at the replay both of them were at fault there". They're something else when it comes to their golden boys


  • #66
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    In general they are poor. But to be fair, Sky sports news have repeatedly shown Bales dive, referred to it as a dive, and mentioned he got booked.

    People make excuses like "Oh at the pace they are running at....". Bollox. He dived like a little girl and got booked. Rightfully so. Agger was right to be annoyed.


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  • #67
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Kirby wrote: »
    In general they are poor. But to be fair, Sky sports news have repeatedly shown Bales dive, referred to it as a dive, and mentioned he got booked.

    People make excuses like "Oh at the pace they are running at....". Bollox. He dived like a little girl and got booked. Rightfully so. Agger was right to be annoyed.

    Sky Sports News & Sky Sports are pretty different usually.

    SSN will try & sensationalise everything to the highest degree they can, but generally, no one takes them seriously.


  • #68
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    willmunny1990 wrote: »
    Says the fella who said in a match thread a while ago that Suarez doesn't dive because he just exaggerates contact.

    But I suppose that's a alright because he plays for Liverpool:rolleyes:

    Yep.

    I'm guessing you don't stand by this anymore Alan, no?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75701141&postcount=571

    Originally Posted by Mr Alan

    Simulation? Like what falling down after they catch eachother?

    I don't really see the issue. Is it that he opens his mouth as someone pointed out above? Shocking. Tbh Flah, I've never heard anything as ridiculous in my life.

    I've no issue pointing out when someone does wrong, for example I didn't like seeing some players looking to get Mario sent off (although he was off either way as it was a yellow).

    However, people are talking about a 'dive', that gif doesn't show one.

    Funny that despite him diving all during every match so far, there's no gifs of any of these 'dives'.

    When he gets fouled, he makes a meal of it. However so do most attacking players in the league. Total non issue.

    Because Apparently when Young exaggerates contact after a foul, it suddenly becomes a dive?:confused:
    Originally Posted by Mr Alan

    Young threw himself in the ground cause someone held his shirt - it was a dive imo.


  • #69
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Very selective quoting.

    My point was that if somone comes through Suarez from behind & he makes a meal of it rolling around, that's simulation/over exagerating etc, not a dive. Its something every player in the league does. Exagerating his reaction to the foul.

    If someone takes a hold of Youngs jersey & he flings himself forward onto the ground, he is not "exagerating" anything. As there is nothing to exagerate. He is flat out diving.


  • #70
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Very selective quoting.

    My point was that if somone comes through Suarez from behind & he makes a meal of it rolling around, that's simulation/over exagerating etc, not a dive. Its something every player in the league does. Exagerating his reaction to the foul.

    If someone takes a hold of Youngs jersey & he flings himself forward onto the ground, he is not "exagerating" anything. As there is nothing to exagerate. He is flat out diving.

    Young was fouled, and he made a meal of it.

    'Total non issue' - Your words, not mine.


  • #71
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    billymitchell wrote: »
    What about if there is no contact because the player took evasive action to avoid the tackle, and had a choice of either jump out of the way or get injured? Is that a foul?


    That really depends. I could jump out of every tackle to avoid 'contact' - does that mean they're all fouls?? No.

    The tackle has to be seen as being dangerous,and the potential to injure a player etc.

    A hard tackle that injures a player is fair game IMO, provided the tackle itself isn;t dangerous, and results in winning the ball.

    The difficulty lies in how the referee decides what constitutes a foul or not. And I believe this is the reason we see more and more fouls being given for fairly innocuous tackles, whether there's contact or not.

    Basically, the rules make it very easy for the referee to give a foul, as pretty much anything can be construed as being 'dangerous' where tackling is concerned.

    Of course tackling is dangerous, by it's very nature it has to be a lot of the time - but it has to be a calculated decision by both the tackler to make it, and the player with the ball to choose to avoid it, or try go through the tackle.

    Too much of protecting the player BS. If a player doesn't want to get hit by a hard tackle every once in a while, they should probably not play a contact sport. Unfortunately, FIFA are very quickly turning football into something that is very nearly resembling a non-contact sport.

    Football is no longer a game where toughness can get you through, or tackling hard can help you get the edge over an opponent. Both can now get you bans.


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  • #72
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Young exaggerated the contact aswell,theres no difference.


  • #73
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Mr Alan in being exposed as hypocritical shocker.

    Lads, he'll twist any situation and re-think his stance on things to make Liverpool out in a good light, or Man Utd out in a bad light.

    There's no point arguing with him about it, he's been doing it since before he was called Alan.


  • #74
    MoscowFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭MoscowFlyer


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Ivanovic stopped well outside the path of Wellbecks legs. Wellbeck moved his left leg sideways in to Ivanovic.



    You have to be joking? Even the most biased fan cant say that wasnt a dive. Watch the 2nd angle from the goal side. Ivanovic stops his legs before they get to Wellbeck and Wellbeck throws his leg over in to Ivanovic.

    Your own link proves it.

    It wasn't a dive and wasn't a penalty. Ivanovic slips and Welbeck tries to run towards the ball, he stumbles into Ivanovic's leg causing him to fall over. I mean this in the nicest possible way but Im not sure Welbeck is smart enough to do what you think he did.


  • #75
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Rename to the man utd penalty thread please.


  • #76
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    recylingbin wrote: »
    Rename to the man utd penalty thread please.

    It's about diving and Welbeck isn't the only one who dived this weekend. Bale and Adam Johnson both did it, despite what some misguided fans might try to tell you.

    It's not a Manchester Utd thread....it's a diving thread and how it is everywhere now.


  • #77
    counterlock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭counterlock


    Kirby wrote: »
    In general they are poor. But to be fair, Sky sports news have repeatedly shown Bales dive, referred to it as a dive, and mentioned he got booked.

    People make excuses like "Oh at the pace they are running at....". Bollox. He dived like a little girl and got booked. Rightfully so. Agger was right to be annoyed.

    I thought he was booked for the afters, no?


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