€700 Million a year is apparently being wasted.

Biggins wrote: »

According to an internal government report (that I'm guessing the public was not meant to hear about) €700 Million a year is apparently being wasted via FAS and community employment (CE) schemes.

A write-up in The (England) Times yesterday goes into detail about the internal report.
(For those with a Times Account, here: http://lnw.me/O7bkcH)

Part of the write-up mentioned that the state is wasting more than €700m a year on job-creation programmes which have failed to bring the unemployed back into the workforce.

The internal government report has found that the core strategy employed by Fas, the state training agency, of interviewing unemployed people and referring them for training was not effective in getting them off the dole. The report also raised questions about the €360m-a-year community employment (CE) scheme.

Whats the betting this report was not meant to reach the public domain?
I personally suspect that "Solas" (which is supposed to be replacing FAS at some stage), will just end up being another "get the numbers off the live register" government PR trick.
As it was with ANCO, then Manpower, then FAS - next up "Solas".

The future does not bode well for these schemes!

ok i was unemployed over the summer and they sent me on an online course, to use adobe flash ( regardless of the program) they wanted us to learn how to use a program with ut using the program...

Its a disgrace, the course avail be to the unemployed are just not good enough.. I did the course then spend the hole summer applying for jobs and learning adobe photoshop threw psd and aduzzedo as there the only places that really teach you how to make effects..

then i got a job, i use photo shop every day...

But the point being there not making courses there giving something to do while your unemployed but there not teaching you anything.. :mad:

so there not schemes there just a waste of time and a waste of money...

Biggins wrote: »

According to an internal government report (that I'm guessing the public was not meant to hear about) €700 Million a year is apparently being wasted via FAS and community employment (CE) schemes.

A write-up in The (England) Times yesterday goes into detail about the internal report.
(For those with a Times Account, here: http://lnw.me/O7bkcH)

Part of the write-up mentioned that the state is wasting more than €700m a year on job-creation programmes which have failed to bring the unemployed back into the workforce.

The internal government report has found that the core strategy employed by Fas, the state training agency, of interviewing unemployed people and referring them for training was not effective in getting them off the dole. The report also raised questions about the €360m-a-year community employment (CE) scheme.

Whats the betting this report was not meant to reach the public domain?
I personally suspect that "Solas" (which is supposed to be replacing FAS at some stage), will just end up being another "get the numbers off the live register" government PR trick.
As it was with ANCO, then Manpower, then FAS - next up "Solas".

The future does not bode well for these schemes!

When I click on your link it doesn't bring me to da article....are you making this schtuff up Mr. Biggins?

Deleted User wrote: »

Add Tús to the list.

Why?

Pity it says nothing about the actual candidates involved in these schemes. Some people, no matter what you do for them, will remain unemployable.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well their in the minority as during the celtic tiger we nearly had full employment. Most people want to work.

We had full employment because graduates were getting high caliber jobs in growing industries meaning that a huge amount of entry level jobs were being left open for an extraordinary amount of absolute mongs to fill and get paid extremely well (for their brainpower) to do so.

Now there's still a load of entry level jobs open however they're being filled by graduates and the mongs have nowhere to go because they're of no real value to anyone.

Where these mongs would have once filled the absolute worst of jobs, they now believe they're entitled to something better such as a CSO job in a bank for €30k per year, which is being filled with graduates, and they won't be seen to be dropping down to what is, in all reality, their honest level of skill. That's not even mentioning the shiny happy people who'd no real talent or drive for anything in life, wandering into extremely well paid jobs putting bricks together who were "usurped" by harder working, less demanding Eastern European workers and are now sitting around on the social welfare with grand ideas about themselves and the "skills" they acquired cementing bricks together.

Water finds its own level, and all that. A lot might want to work, but there's a load who don't want to work in jobs they feel they're above and that's certainly not limited to graduates.

Biggins wrote: »

Maybe so but I personally think there is just as many (if not the majority) genuine people who are looking for something to give them that extra help, so they can find work.

I know a few people involved in some co-ordination work with some of these schemes and they've said that there's a large contingent of hopeless wasters doing the schemes because they're either being made to by the social welfare office or because their folks want them out of the house for a while.

I'm sure there are many genuine people who want to re-skill and try to gain work, and they sure as hell should be given support and opportunity to do so, however on the flip-side I think such opportunities would come at a cost of excluding the wasters from participating and I'm afraid there would be uproar if it was exposed that little Anto wasn't being let into a course because he was recognized as being a no-hope dunce.

whatsamsn wrote: »

I have often looked at the FAS courses and they are all crap IMO.

The idea should be to allow a person to go from not knowing the skill, to being able to go out and get a job from it.
None of these 10 weeks (1 night per week) crap. Thats only an introduction to something. Thats not someone learning a skill.

With the exception of manual skills, which certainly aren't needed right now, you can learn anything you want on the computer you're sitting at right now, so stop pointing the finger at everyone else.

Otherwise you're talking about a little thing called education, which there is a fairly clear path into in this country.

Over a billion a year is wasted forcing Irish on a mostly apathetic public.
Over 3 million a year is wasted on the Limerick - Galway rail line.
The Dept of Transport wont licence a direct Dublin-Cork bus because it will bankrupt Irish Rail.
Hundreds of millions is wasted on foreign aid and then again on imposing trade barriers (CAP, carbon taxes) on for these aid dependent countries.