Superbowl XLVI

Johnny_Fontane · 06-02-2012 04:55PM

New England Patriots

belichick obviously didnt have the balls to throw it downfield yesterday....you have got to trust who you have. Ochocinco, you may not like, but he can catch a deep ball.

we wouldnt be having this conversation had welker caught that ball. Thats wes welker, the no.2 wr in the league.

Go ahead and try find a better player than wes welker in free agency and put him in that situation.

Pats are fine, they will be back next year. Its the tiny margins of this game that sometimes go against you....(ask lee evans or billy cundiff).

eagle eye · 06-02-2012 05:00PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

belichick obviously didnt have the balls to throw it downfield yesterday....you have got to trust who you have. Ochocinco, you may not like, but he can catch a deep ball.

we wouldnt be having this conversation had welker caught that ball. Thats wes welker, the no.2 wr in the league.

Go ahead and try find a better player than wes welker in free agency and put him in that situation.

Pats are fine, they will be back next year. Its the tiny margins of this game that sometimes go against you....(ask lee evans or billy cundiff).

Welker is a slot receiver, probably the best slot receiver ever to play the game. He can go deep but he is a small guy and its almost impossible to throw him a ball that only he can catch on the sidelines.

You seen Nicks last night catching a ball on the sidelines that only he could catch because McCourty is smaller than him and even though he read the pass and went for it, the ball was out of his reach but not out of Nicks reach.

You are making yourself look worse by the post now. That highlighted bit shows just how little you know about the game.

Johnny_Fontane · 06-02-2012 05:03PM

New England Patriots

eagle eye wrote: »

Really I don't want to get into this today of all days but you don't seem to understand the game.

thats a ridiculous assumption that deserves an apology.

Danger_dave1 · 06-02-2012 05:04PM

New England Patriots

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

What? The Pats clearly need Recievers and the type they need is an outside deep threat. Most of the Pats success this season has been across the middle using Welker and the Tight Ends doesn't change the fact they need a clear go to go on the outside who will open up the passing game.

Brady still lit it up most the season. A WR deep threat should not be the primary concern. It should be on defense. Either getting better D-back's or a good pass rush which will hide average corners/safties.

Brady passed for 5235 yards this year with 39 touchdowns. His yards per average is acutally above Drew Brees's. The offense is not a major problem.

Considering the pat's have so many pick's . If they use them they can pick up a deep threat in 2/3 round and there's not many better than the Patriots getting more out of lesser players.

Johnny_Fontane · 06-02-2012 05:05PM

New England Patriots

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

Brady still lit it up most the season. A WR deep threat should not be the primary concern. It should be on defense. Either getting better D-back's or a good pass rush which will hide average corners/safties.

Brady passed for 5235 yards this year with 39 touchdowns. His yards per average is acutally above Drew Brees's. The offense is not a major problem.

Considering the pat's have so many pick's . If they use them they can pick up a deep threat in 2/3 round and there's not many better than the Patriots getting more out of lesser players.

Exactly my point, just made a 1000 times better.:o

tallaghtoutlaws · 06-02-2012 05:17PM

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

Brady still lit it up most the season. A WR deep threat should not be the primary concern. It should be on defense. Either getting better D-back's or a good pass rush which will hide average corners/safties.

Brady passed for 5235 yards this year with 39 touchdowns. His yards per average is acutally above Drew Brees's. The offense is not a major problem.

Considering the pat's have so many pick's . If they use them they can pick up a deep threat in 2/3 round and there's not many better than the Patriots getting more out of lesser players.

But the Pats offense was linear and the amount of yards gained were down to the freak size and ability of our Tight Ends and as ever Wes Welker being his usual self. In the games the Pats struggled in Gronk, Hernandez and Welker were taken out of the game and we had no one to spread the play.

Most NFL secondaries struggle against the style of play the Pats had but those who didn't struggle knew how to close out the across the middle balls to Welker and Gronk/Hernandez and when Brady went elsewhere he didn't have options other than Branch. And Branch hasn't got the speed he once had.

You add a fast outside guy to that offense and you completely open up the field and it will make it extremely hard for any defense to 100% cut out your options.

Even the Giants showed what happened last night when you have options. The Pats shut out their deep threats but gave up the short passing game. No defense will ever cover both.

Ridiculous to say the Pats don't need a deep threat.

Morrisseeee · 06-02-2012 05:17PM

New England Patriots

I'm guessing 'all' Giants fans will recognize the following saying: "All In".

Tuck must have run Manning close for MVP. He had a hell of a game in my book. He gets the safety (2 points), has 2 sacks and the has the telling tackle on Brady : get this, late in the 3rd Q, on a 3rd down play, Tuck gets to Brady, at this point he was: 20-24, had 201 yards and 2 touchdowns. He also had strung together 16 straight completions in that time, a Super Bowl record. After that incident (possible shoulder injury) he threw a costly interception to Chase Blackburn, and was just 7-17 passing the rest of the game for 75 yards and no touchdowns :eek:

tallaghtoutlaws · 06-02-2012 05:21PM

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

It should be on defense. Either getting better D-back's or a good pass rush which will hide average corners/safties..

As for this Our Pass rush this season ended up not being the concern we all thought it would be including the Post season. Pats had 3 sacks last night and pressured Manning a lot last night.

I already said our main concern were our Secondary and I feel adding to our linebacker corp and maybe one maybe two Pass rushers from the FA or draft will help. Our main needs:

Our secondary, Wide Receivers, a OLB, and then Pass rushers

Secondary and Wide Receivers can be found in the draft a long with a OLB. Get a couple of guys low down to help the Pass rush.

eagle eye · 06-02-2012 05:23PM

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

Brady still lit it up most the season. A WR deep threat should not be the primary concern. It should be on defense. Either getting better D-back's or a good pass rush which will hide average corners/safties.

Brady passed for 5235 yards this year with 39 touchdowns. His yards per average is acutally above Drew Brees's. The offense is not a major problem.

Considering the pat's have so many pick's . If they use them they can pick up a deep threat in 2/3 round and there's not many better than the Patriots getting more out of lesser players.

What are you on about? We have Ras-I Dowling and Josh Barrett to come back in to join Chung/McCourty/Moore/Ihedigbo. This is a young DB core and it will only get better.

tallaghtoutlaws · 06-02-2012 05:27PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What are you on about? We have Ras-I Dowling and Josh Barrett to come back in to join Chung/McCourty/Moore/Ihedigbo. This is a young DB core and it will only get better.

We do need a CB at safety we are set but we definitely do need a CB. The way I-Dowling went of the season is a concern. We definitely do have young DBs but a good quality corner is a must.

kmart6 · 06-02-2012 06:05PM

Favourite ad from this year...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3mktl30iw

Stev_o · 06-02-2012 06:28PM

New England Patriots

eagle eye wrote: »

What are you on about? We have Ras-I Dowling and Josh Barrett to come back in to join Chung/McCourty/Moore/Ihedigbo. This is a young DB core and it will only get better.

Or it could be extremely average. Dowling is a broken mess, dunno why BB wasted such a high pick for him he has no career in the NFL.

Phoenix Park · 06-02-2012 06:31PM

New England Patriots

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theoneeyedman · 06-02-2012 06:46PM

Hi guys
just wondering about the last TD and the Pats allowing the Giants to score uncontested. Is this legal....i know in other sports conceding scores even in less critical situations is heavily regulated mainly i suppose due to betting/corruption etc. Does the NFL have rules about this? i'm not saying NE threw the game or anything and I can see why they did it but it just looked strange to me is all

kmart6 · 06-02-2012 06:51PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Hi guys
just wondering about the last TD and the Pats allowing the Giants to score uncontested. Is this legal....i know in other sports conceding scores even in less critical situations is heavily regulated mainly i suppose due to betting/corruption etc. Does the NFL have rules about this? i'm not saying NE threw the game or anything and I can see why they did it but it just looked strange to me is all

There was nothing illegal about it!

kmart6 · 06-02-2012 07:22PM

Giants on the way home...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyNPeLJBo7Y

matthew8 · 06-02-2012 08:44PM

New England Patriots

Does anyone else think the Patriots should've let the Giants score from 35 yards out? It was clear the Giants were able to move the ball, and Brady was playing great.

kmart6 · 06-02-2012 08:55PM

God no!

Looking at a 50yard FG from there if they could have held them around there,which wouldn't be a certain thing!

Can't risk that thing in the SB! When they did let them in it was the right time considering how close they were!

And I'd say if they had tried to let them score from 35 out the Giants would have copped that and def woulda sat down instead of running in!

matthew8 · 06-02-2012 09:03PM

New England Patriots

kmart6 wrote: »

God no!

Looking at a 50yard FG from there if they could have held them around there,which wouldn't be a certain thing!

Can't risk that thing in the SB! When they did let them in it was the right time considering how close they were!

And I'd say if they had tried to let them score from 35 out the Giants would have copped that and def woulda sat down instead of running in!

1 minute is not long enough to score with just one timeout. And there were also plenty of times inside the 35 the Patriots could've let them score. If the Giants didn't want to, the Patriots could've got 2 minutes to get a FG.

kmart6 · 06-02-2012 09:19PM

1 minute is plenty of time, hell the were half a yard from Gronk getting his hands on it and winning the game!

matthew8 · 06-02-2012 09:23PM

New England Patriots

kmart6 wrote: »

1 minute is plenty of time, hell the were half a yard from Gronk getting his hands on it and winning the game!

Pfft, that was a hail mary play, I would never consider time for a hail mary enough time to come back.

kmart6 · 06-02-2012 09:28PM

I'd say a lot of people here would agree with me that give the ball to Brady/both Mannings/Rodgers/Big Ben with 1 minute left, 80 yards to go and 1 time out and they would give them a decent chance!

MisterCadbury · 06-02-2012 09:38PM

tallaghtoutlaws · 06-02-2012 09:43PM

MisterCadbury wrote: »

video

Dude this vid is quite literally posted 6 posts before yours on this very page.

Jolly Red Giant · 06-02-2012 09:43PM

I looked at the game when I got home from work this evening - good game and thought the Giants deserved to win it.

The King is dead - long live the King

Roll-on Free Agency, the Draft, OTAs, training camp and the new season.

matthew8 · 06-02-2012 10:06PM

New England Patriots

kmart6 wrote: »

I'd say a lot of people here would agree with me that give the ball to Brady/both Mannings/Rodgers/Big Ben with 1 minute left, 80 yards to go and 1 time out and they would give them a decent chance!

But a better chance if they have 3 minutes and 2 timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Also, there would have been no time left if it wasn't for Bradshaw's error.

neilster · 06-02-2012 10:31PM

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Both Front 4's added the same amount of pressure to each others offense. But I am sorry I have to 100% disagree with you here. The difference maker in that game last night was the catching ability of WR. Had Welker caught that ball game over and the pass was perfect by the way. Manningham made an amzing catch that setup the win..

Couldnt disagree more the Giants defence stiffened in the 4th quarter when the Pats defence couldnt do the same to the same degree

That included extra pressure and a sack and a second half sack into the turf from Tuck on Brady ...an a possible injury to Brady or at least discomfort ...im not dumping on Brady as this Dan Wetzel article describes the heartache for the guy

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-wetzel_tom_brady_super_bowl_gisele_bundchen_defeat_020512

And i dont think it is nice to make Welker the Goat...the throw was high and not in stride ....he had to reach up...and backwards ...and lunge ...in stride thats a catch

Again its not about a catch made and catch not

On the Manning-Maiingham 38 yrd completion ...youd have to say fortune favours the brave...that call is a play to the right of the field to Nicks/Cruz...Manning spots Chung cheating to the inside of the field exposing Moore at Corner ever so slightly...Moore in Cover 2 tries to jam Manningham (poor lad ..his only mistake) but fails ...Manningham has the break on him with Chung slightly off the supporting position ...he should have had ....Manning lays it on the money but it wouldnt have been there with a cover corner or with Earl Thomas in the backfield and something tells me BB is all too aware of this as the draft will attest to

neilster · 06-02-2012 10:40PM

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

But the Pats offense was linear and the amount of yards gained were down to the freak size and ability of our Tight Ends and as ever Wes Welker being his usual self. In the games the Pats struggled in Gronk, Hernandez and Welker were taken out of the game and we had no one to spread the play.

Most NFL secondaries struggle against the style of play the Pats had but those who didn't struggle knew how to close out the across the middle balls to Welker and Gronk/Hernandez and when Brady went elsewhere he didn't have options other than Branch. And Branch hasn't got the speed he once had.

You add a fast outside guy to that offense and you completely open up the field and it will make it extremely hard for any defense to 100% cut out your options.

Even the Giants showed what happened last night when you have options. The Pats shut out their deep threats but gave up the short passing game. No defense will ever cover both.

Ridiculous to say the Pats don't need a deep threat.

This is totally true we may disagree at times but their search for replacements for Branch (who might get to stay) and Ocho will be interesting ...After the big names at the top of the draft there are guys like Sanu & Toon but Free Agency may be safer for a real speedster...does anyone have any ideas

As people have tried to explain to JFontane ...Welker is a slot posession reciever...the best really and Gronk & hernandez are about matchups...beating a corner with strength and gaining after the catch or meeting a linebacker and beating him with speed and again yards after the catch

There are no speedsters to stretch the field down a sideline and wrest away big gains ....

who are the best free agents available?

eagle eye · 06-02-2012 11:11PM

neilster wrote: »

This is totally true we may disagree at times but their search for replacements for Branch (who might get to stay) and Ocho will be interesting ...After the big names at the top of the draft there are guys like Sanu & Toon but Free Agency may be safer for a real speedster...does anyone have any ideas

As people have tried to explain to JFontane ...Welker is a slot posession reciever...the best really and Gronk & hernandez are about matchups...beating a corner with strength and gaining after the catch or meeting a linebacker and beating him with speed and again yards after the catch

There are no speedsters to stretch the field down a sideline and wrest away big gains ....

who are the best free agents available?

Dwayne Bowe would be top of the list, Vincent Jackson also, then Marques Colston. Three big, fast men, just ideal for the Patriots.

Copper_pipe · 06-02-2012 11:13PM

Anyone know any sites where I could watch or download the game? Should have recorded

Superbowl XLVI

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