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Superbowl XLVI

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I'm still undecided on who I want to win this and also who I think will win.

    In the end I'll probably plump for the Patriots in both categories. I honestly haven't been as apathetic about a super bowl in may years.

    I guess I've spent the guts of the last 2 weeks going over the niners loss and all the little things that contributed to that.

    I think I'm finally over that but I'm still not overly excited by this game. I guess once the game gets under way I think I'll be into it and will probably really enjoy it. I think when you have low expectations you tend to enjoy it a bit more.

    Anyway I think the Patriots may have the upper hand. Their defense is much maligned but I think has improved lately, certainly against the run. They'll need to limit the Giants runners and I think they will. If the Giants are to win it will have to be on Eli and the receivers.

    Offensively the Patriots have been unstoppable for most of the season and if Gronkowski is healthy I think they will put up a good total.

    Manning is a great QB but he does make some wild throws at times. I could see him throwing a pick or 2 on Sunday. In the clutch I'd certainly take Brady every time.

    Normally I' be rooting for the Giants in this game but the way they beat SF in the championship game still lingers and also the little bit of trash talk has me probably rooting for the Pats.

    If NE do win Brady will have equalled or surpassed a whole lot of Joe Montana's records but I guess all records will eventually be broken.

    I'm hoping for a good close game and unlike the championship games hopefully someone makes a big play to win it rather someone making a huge mistake to lose it.

    Game on.

    I'll be in the woolshed in my 49ers Willis jersey, if you see me say hello :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    adrian522 wrote: »

    I'll be in the woolshed in my 49ers Willis jersey, if you see me say hello :)

    I will have my Collins 62 Pats jersey on me if you see me throw something at me :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭me-skywalker


    neilster wrote: »
    I dont buy the whole finding a way stuff

    I think that defense will hurry and harry Brady and i think they will get interceptions .

    I think this is what is meant by game management, you wont see many big bombs downfield from Brady in this one, less chacnes to int if he lookds after the ball gets some success on the run and get The Giants open in the hole for

    .

    I think this is what is meant by 'finding a way'. Better
    game management, you wont see many big bombs downfield from Brady. Less chacnes to int if he looks after the ball gets some success on the run and get The Giants open for some PA, with Hernandez, Welker and Gronk they won't need as many high risk passes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭walt colman


    Patriots 34
    Giants 21

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    New England Patriots
    Patriots 23 Giants 20.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    New England Patriots
    Cant shake the feeling of anything but a Giants win unfortunately


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭neilster


    After re-reading your post i would commend a lot of it but i think it is about more than the FrontFour ...i like the combination of Boley...Kiwanuka...Blackburn.....i think cos of the TightEnd sets ...the safeties in Phillips and Rolle may see a lot of action...i dont see them as a weakness ...if Gronk is hurt they can do more damage

    Ordinarily i would look at the "Patriot Way" and the ability of Belichek to get high performance as in the past as a key strength but i think that is negated by the Giants self-belief ....and that to a large extent some of them have been there before and those that havent ....Pierre Paul ...Cruz ...are upgrades on 2008


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,972 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    My favourite Patriots poster on any site had this to say.
    The Giants offense is a modification of the Oilers run and shoot from the early 1990’s which features the “posse” (4 WR/1 RB) to accommodate their three-head monster at WR (Cruz-Manningham-Nicks) and is basically a read and react off the defense, and instead of running one route, you have what is called a “decision tree” which is basically, “get open,” so it’s more of a concept/philosophy than a system (think Phil Jackson’s triangle offense). This explains why our young defensive backs have a really hard time with it. It basically is an offense that simply continues until someone gets open, so it’s full of double and triple-moves, and pretty much is fatal to inexperienced, undisciplined DBs (like ours), who might tend to let off the gas after a basic route has been run (because they assume the read is dead) or they don’t realize this kind of offense doesn’t need any time or route to develop, so you have to pay attention all the time (right Guyton?). Now two knocks against this offense is that one, it is not a clock burner (but works pretty good when you have very little time on the clock), and two, it got killed by the zone blitz. It’s an up and down system that’s great when it’s working, but when it’s not working, it’s terrible. It basically gave rise to that infamous punch by the frustrated Oilers DC, none other than Buddy Ryan, who loved to call this offense the “run and duck” (when the zone blitz got the QB). Fun fact: The guy he punched? The OC of the Oilers, Kevin Gilbride. Who is the current OC of the Giants? Kevin Gilbride.

    So obviously, the weight of shutting down this offense really rests on the backfield, and not really with the guys up front. I think that we will open in the 4-3 nickel with a really reduced line, with the goal of not so much blowing up the pocket as sealing the edge for two reasons: Eli makes plays when he’s able to break out of the pocket, and so does Bradshaw. Bradshaw is pretty good at running on the outside, but his YPC is awful when running between the tackles. So if we contain both of them inside, their rate of success really drops. That is killing two birds with one stone.

    With the nickel. I think the key to defeating the modified Oilers run-n-shoot is to disguise coverage as much as we can. Show man and go zone post-snap, such as shadowing any Giants pre-snap motion, to sell Eli and the receivers (they have to read as much as Eli does) on the man coverage, but we are simply switching zone assignments. Earlier this season, that kind of complicity would have been impossible, but at this point I think we are really up to it. In the Ravens game, we went from a pre-snap 3-4 to a post-snap 4-3 pretty seamlessly so I can only think that can be very encouraging. I think that while we’ll let Wilfork run amok and wreak havoc on the line, we’re going to use this as a feint and disguise our real intention which is to place priority on sealing the pocket. In this regard, the responsibility will be pretty much on the backfield. I would not be surprised to see McCourty start out playing a lot of safety, and only switch if one of the receivers get hot. They must be able to read Eli, especially his tendency to look at his first read right before the snap. The integral task is to keep Manningham and Nicks in front of them, and limit Cruz’s YAC ability.

    And as for the offense, one thing I did was to take another look at the 17 point explosion in the 4th quarter of the Nov. 6 game to try to see if I could figure out what the elements were that led to that kind of success.

    The first thing I saw was that Brady was getting rid of the ball a lot faster- it may be that his arm had warmed up sufficiently to overcome whatever injury he was experiencing at the time. The second thing I saw was that our offense was much more horizontal, forcing the Giants to play horizontal defense. We had a few misdirection plays, plenty of PA’s and went to the spread in the hurry up. On the first drive, we did a double-reversal, then froze them on a PA out of the I formation and that set the tone for the rest of the drive. Unfortunately, what killed this drive was a bad route run by Ocho which forced Brady to overthrow him (it looks like a bad throw, but is clearly an intentional overthrow. Ocho erroneously ran a flag where he should have known it was a go route out of the rollout). FWIW, Ocho also blew a play earlier on this drive. It was the right route, but the timing was just not there. On the second drive, we went to the spread, in the hurry up, and there was always one or two receivers on or outside the numbers.

    This makes me think first, that the Giants D are quite formidable when they know what is coming. With their athleticism, speed, and size, they can crush the point of attack, and even more so if they are allowed to play vertical. But when they don’t know what is coming, or if they are forced to play horizontal, they can be rendered powerless.

    Does that mean we’ll come out with stretch plays off the bat? I doubt it- I think it’ll be an ace that we’ll keep up our sleeve until the right moment. We don’t want to keep throwing horizontal play after play at them until they start to develop a feel for defending it.

    But one thing I think we’ll see right off the bat is a lot of PA out of the ace (2 TE/ 2 WR/1 RB), especially the power O out of the gun in the spread (WS guard pull).

    While the PA doesn’t really fool them, it does freeze them and force them into a read and react which plays against their strengths.

    I’m pretty sure that the Giants will stick to their 3 safety package (Grant in backer) and dare us to run for the most part. The key is, as Bruschi points out, will BOB have the patience to stick with the run to wear down the front four if they make a point of sticking with this package?

    Putting aside the X and O’s, and looking at BB and Brady. I have to mention that those are proud men, they’re keen competitors, and they’re not going to make the same mistakes again, and especially with BB, when he has seen an opponent enough times, he inevitably finds a way to defeat this opponent, and this will mark the 3rd time he has seen a team this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,972 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Big shoutout to the BC Eagles too. They have more players than any other college in this superbowl with five.

    Ron Brace(Patriots) - DT
    Mathias Kiwanuka(Giants) DE/LB
    Mark Herzlich(Giants) LB
    Will Blackmon(Giants) KR
    Chris Snee(Giants) OG

    Then there is Tom Coughlin who coached at BC back in the 90's and Robert Kraft is on the Board of Trustees and not forgetting Dan Koppen the Patriots Center who is on IR.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Professional Griefer


    Is this only on SS1?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Gronkosaurus


    Is this only on SS1?

    BBC1 also


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Gronkosaurus


    Rob Gronkowski was a full participant in a walkthrough session yesterday afternoon. Very likely he will play :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭BrianOFlanagan


    New England Patriots
    Would love to watch this live but can't this year, will there be a highlights programme on BBC? (or any other non sub channel)
    Thanks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Might watch this myself seeing as it's on TV, anyone wanna give me a run down on the rules of the game? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    Might watch this myself seeing as it's on TV, anyone wanna give me a run down on the rules of the game? :pac:

    http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/beginnersguidetofootball :D
    Beginner's Guide to Football

    One 11-man team has possession of the football. It is called the offense and it tries to advance the ball down the field-by running with the ball or throwing it - and score points by crossing the goal line and getting into an area called the end zone.

    The other team (also with 11 players) is called the defense. It tries to stop the offensive team and make it give up possession of the ball. If the team with the ball does score or is forced to give up possession, the offensive and defensive teams switch roles (the offensive team goes on defense and the defensive team goes on offense). And so on, back and forth, until all four quarters of the game have been played.

    In order to make it easier to coordinate the information in this digest, the topics discussed generally follow the order of the rule book.
    THE FIELD
    The field measures 100 yards long and 53 yards wide. Little white markings on the field called yard markers help the players, officials, and the fans keep track of the ball. Probably the most important part of the field is the end zone. It's an additional 10 yards on each end of the field. This is where the points add up! When the offense - the team with possession of the ball-gets the ball into the opponent's end zone, they score points.
    TIMING

    Games are divided into four 15-minute quarters, separated by a 12-minute break at halftime. There are also 2-minute breaks at the end of the first and third quarters as teams change ends of the field after every 15 minutes of play. At the end of the first and third quarters, the team with the ball retains possession heading into the following quarter. That is not the case before halftime. The second half starts with a kickoff in the same way as the game began in the first quarter.

    Each offensive team has 40 seconds from the end of a given play until they must snap of the ball for the start of the next play, otherwise they will be penalized.

    The clock stops at the end of incomplete passing plays, when a player goes out of bounds, or when a penalty is called. The clock starts again when the ball is re-spotted by an official.

    If a game is tied at the end of regulation, a 15-minute overtime period will be played. In the NFL, this is sudden death and the first team to score wins. Possession is determined before the period begins by a coin toss.
    THE PLAYERS

    Each team has 3 separate units: the offense (see section below), those players who are on the field when the team has possession of the ball; the defense (see section below), players who line up to stop the other team's offense; and special teams that only come in on kicking situations (punts, field goals, and kickoffs). Only 11 players are on the field from one team at any one time.

    To see how the players line up click here
    THE KICKOFF

    A game starts with the kickoff. The ball is placed on a kicking tee at the defense's 30-yard line, and a special kicker (a "placekicker") kicks the ball to the offense A kick return man from the offense will try to catch the ball and advance it by running. Where he is stopped is the point from which the offense will begin its drive, or series of offensive plays. When a kickoff is caught in the offense's own end zone, the kick returner can either run the ball out of the end zone, or kneel in the end zone to signal a touchback - a sign to stop the play. The ball is then placed on the 20-yard line, where the offense begins play.
    FIRST DOWN

    All progress in a football game is measured in yards. The offensive team tries to get as much "yardage" as it can to try and move closer to the opponent's end zone. Each time the offense gets the ball, it has four downs, or chances, in which to gain 10 yards. If the offensive team successfully moves the ball 10 or more yards, it earns a first down, and another set of four downs. If the offense fails to gain 10 yards, it loses possession of the ball. The defense tries to prevent the offense not only from scoring, but also from gaining the 10 yards needed for a first down. If the offense reaches fourth down, it usually punts the ball (kicks it away). This forces the other team to begin its drive further down the field.
    MOVING THE BALL - The Run and the Pass

    A play begins with the snap. At the line of scrimmage (the position on the field where the play begins), the quarterback loudly calls out a play in code and the player in front of him, the center, passes, or snaps the ball under his legs to the quarterback. From there, the quarterback can either throw the ball, hand it off, or run with it.
    THE RUN

    There are two main ways for the offense to advance the ball. The first is called a run. This occurs when the quarterback hands the ball off to a running back, who then tries to gain as many yards as possible by eluding defensive players. The quarterback is also allowed to run with the ball.
    THE PASS

    The other alternative to running the ball is to throw it. Or as they say in football, pass it! Usually, the quarterback does the passing, though there are times when another player may pass the ball to confuse the defense. Actually, anyone on the offensive team is allowed to pass the ball as long as the pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage. A pass is complete if the ball is caught by another offensive player, usually the "wide receiver" or "tight end." If the ball hits the ground before someone catches it, it is called an incomplete pass.
    THE TACKLE

    The defense prevents the offense from advancing the ball by bringing the ball carrier to the ground. A player is tackled when one or both of his knees touch the ground. The play is then over. A play also ends when a player runs out of bounds.
    SCORING

    The object of the game is to score the most points. There are four ways to score points in football.
    TOUCHDOWN = 6 POINTS

    A touchdown is the biggest single score in a football game. It is worth six points, and it allows the scoring team an opportunity to attempt to get an extra point. To score a touchdown, the ball must be carried across the goal line into the end zone, caught in the end zone, or a fumble recovered in the end zone, or an untouched kickoff recovered in the end zone by the kicking team.
    EXTRA POINT and the TWO-POINT CONVERSION = 1 or 2 POINTS

    Immediately following a touchdown, the ball is placed at the opponent's two-yard line, where the offense has two options. Usually the offense will kick an extra point, also called the point after touchdown, conversion, or PAT. If the offense successfully kicks the ball through the goal posts, it earns one point. The offense can also score two points by running or throwing the ball into the end zone in the same manner as you would score a touchdown. Since going for two points is more difficult than kicking an extra point, the offense generally chooses to kick the extra point.
    FIELD GOAL = 3 POINTS

    If the offense cannot score a touchdown, it may try to kick a field goal. Field goals are worth three points and often are the deciding plays in the last seconds of close games. They can be attempted from anywhere on the field on any down, but generally are kicked from inside the defense's 45-yard line on fourth down. For a field goal to be "good", the placekicker (or field goal kicker) must kick the ball through the goal-post uprights and over the crossbar. The defense tries to block the kick and stop the ball from reaching the goal post.
    SAFETY = 2 POINTS

    The safety is worth two points. A safety occurs when the offensive ball carrier is tackled behind his own goal line.
    TURNOVERS

    While trying to advance the football to the end zone, the offense may accidentally turn the ball over to the defense in one of two ways:
    THE FUMBLE

    When the ball carrier or passer drops the ball, that's a fumble. Any player on the field can recover the ball by diving on it or he can run with it. The team that recovers a fumble either gets-or retains-possession of the ball.
    THE INTERCEPTION

    An aggressive defense can regain possession of the ball by catching (intercepting) passes meant for players on the other team. Both fumble recoveries and interceptions can be run back into the end zone for touchdowns.
    THE TWO SIDES OF THE BALL
    THE OFFENSE

    Whichever team has possession of the ball is the offense. While only the quarterback, the wide receivers and tight ends, and the running backs can legally handle the ball, it is the quarterback who is the leader of the team and the playmaker. In fact, he's a man of many talents - he not only throws the ball, he outlines each play to his team.
    THE OFFENSIVE PLAYERS

    The quarterback ("QB") passes or hands off the ball.
    The center snaps the ball to the QB and blocks the defense.
    2 guards and 2 tackles keep the defense at bay.
    2/4 wide receivers catch the ball thrown by the QB.
    1 or 2 running backs take the ball and run with it.
    1 or 2 tight ends block the defense and can also catches passes.

    THE DEFENSE

    The job of the defense is to stop the offense. The 11 men on the defensive team all work together to keep the offense from advancing toward the defense's end zone.
    THE DEFENSIVE PLAYERS

    Linebackers defend against the pass, and push forward to stop the run or tackle the QB.
    The defensive line (ends and tackles) battles head-to-head against the offensive line.
    Cornerbacks and safeties defend against the pass from the QB to the wide receiver and help to stop the run.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    New England Patriots
    Have the beginnings on my first ever ear infection i think... not fcuking happy:mad::mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Oh for fuck sake.

    Thought I'd have the Monday off, but just found out I have to be in and therefore that means me getting up at 6:30am :mad:

    I'll still end up staying up for it :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Gronkosaurus


    Have the beginnings on my first ever ear infection i think... not fcuking happy:mad::mad:

    Superbowl weekend my man, no time for messing about. You'll just have to go Van Gogh on that bad boy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    How long does the game go on for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,116 ✭✭✭Professional Griefer


    How long does the game go on for?

    Bones of 2-3 hours I think.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    How long does the game go on for?

    Around 3 or 3 and a half hours unless it goes to overtime.

    It kicks off at 11:30pm and will probably be over around 3am.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭Keano


    Only starting following NFL this season. Really looking forward to the game. Going around to a friends house for a little bash then up early for golf :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    New England Patriots
    The game will probably go on for 4+ hours. Have to factor in the big half time break for the show and the likes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Rob Gronkowski was a full participant in a walkthrough session yesterday afternoon. Very likely he will play :D
    He was always going to play, there has never been a question of that! And being a full participant in a walk through doesn't mean much!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    kmart6 wrote: »
    He was always going to play, there has never been a question of that! And being a full participant in a walk through doesn't mean much!

    Yes it does. It may not mean anything on the physical side but It means he is part of the walk throughs of the play sheet they are using Sunday. Had he not been there at all it would have been safe to say he would have been limited on Sunday or not used at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Do you really think even if there was a chance that he wouldn't play Sunday/be limited that BB would not have him go through the walk through and give the Giants the advantage of knowing he wouldn't be around!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    New England Patriots
    SantryRed wrote: »
    The game will probably go on for 4+ hours. Have to factor in the big half time break for the show and the likes.

    Have to say I hate the SB half=time show. It's everything that football isn't, but the who were decent a couple of years ago but it just goes on too long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭tallaghtoutlaws


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Do you really think even if there was a chance that he wouldn't play Sunday/be limited that BB would not have him go through the walk through and give the Giants the advantage of knowing he wouldn't be around!?

    The Giants will prepare for Gronk no matter what his status was. They would be fools not to. But the Pats have always put everyone down as Questionable or Doubtful so the Giants would take all reports of him with a pinch of salt. But if I saw the players actually taking part in the practices to some capacity and then the walk throughs it would give me a better indication that they are at least preparing Gronk or any injured player with the play sheet for Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    I know they will, they have said that all week, like I said there is no question of him not playing on Sunday...completely different to Freeney a few years ago where it really was questionable whether he could play!

    My point is, I wouldn't take much from the walk through....it'll all come down to game time on Sunday...and then the 3rd quarter after a long break and the adrenaline levels falling!


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