Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

keano_afc · 02-02-2012 01:43PM

amacachi wrote: »

If the team get up for it at all they'll beat Milan.

But this is one of the biggest problems, lack of motivation. Wenger cant do it, so who will push them on? We have lacked desire so often this season, why would there suddenly be a huge display of wanting to win against Milan?

Cantona's Collars · 02-02-2012 01:48PM

Saw this and had to post it here.For all Wenger's good work at getting Arsenal playing some truly beautiful football,his belligerence at times is bewildering.

If RVP gets injured he has no decent cover.Players that have gone stale such as Arshavin which should have been replaced.

Wenger sat back last night near the end of the game as Bolton threatened to snatch a winner and seemed to lack any passion or fire as if he would have been resigned to the defeat.

This mock poster was on talksport's site.Both funny and sad in equal measure.

amacachi · 02-02-2012 01:48PM

keano_afc wrote: »

But this is one of the biggest problems, lack of motivation. Wenger cant do it, so who will push them on? We have lacked desire so often this season, why would there suddenly be a huge display of wanting to win against Milan?

We were unbelievably close to beating Barcelona last year, we can beat anyone on our day.

Gringo180 · 02-02-2012 01:49PM

Noo wrote: »

What will happen when gervinho comes back? If oxo gets dropped that'll leave him lurking after theos place, and he won't have to lurk for long.

He wont have the balls to drop Walcott, it shouldnt matter how old or inexperienced the Ox is he should be starting ahead of Walcott all day long. I agree with the point that were missing Gervinho too, since he's been gone we've lost 3 and drew 1.

I know why Wenger didnt buy in January as he will be saying to himself Diaby will be back soon and he will be like a new signing in itself :rolleyes:

I've said it a few times but please please please revert back to 4-4-2 Arsene

Cantona's Collars · 02-02-2012 02:04PM

amacachi wrote: »

We were unbelievably close to beating Barcelona last year, we can beat anyone on our day.

The thing is these days beating anyone on your day isn't good enough.The likes of Bolton should be bread & butter for Arsenal.

I think Wenger has lost his passion for the fight and this is reflecting on the players.

amacachi · 02-02-2012 02:57PM

zerks wrote: »

The thing is these days beating anyone on your day isn't good enough.

In a knock-out competition it can be though.

Cantona's Collars · 02-02-2012 02:59PM

amacachi wrote: »

In a knock-out competition it can be though.

Would you be worried that a win over Milan would be just papering over the cracks?

amacachi · 02-02-2012 04:24PM

zerks wrote: »

Would you be worried that a win over Milan would be just papering over the cracks?

Not really. League is gone. We know that. We've two ways of getting into the CL next year, get 4th or win it this year. It would take less, and less frequent luck, for us to win the CL IMO.
Looking at the other 7 CL ties and are there any of the second seeds we wouldn't be favorites against? If all favorites win there's APOEL, Bayern Munich and Benfica who we should have no problems with. Chelsea and Inter I'd make slight favorites against us leaving just the two spanish teams who I wouldn't fancy our chances against.

gnfnrhead · 02-02-2012 04:29PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I've said it a few times but please please please revert back to 4-4-2 Arsene

This was brought up several times this season, while I'd love to see it happen, we simply dont have the players to do it properly.

Back five more or less picks itself when (or maybe I should say if...) every one is fit. Problems we have are who to play on the wings, and who to play up top with van Persie?

Arguements sake:

Arteta -- Song -- Wilshere -- Chamberlain

van Persie -- Park? Chamakh? Arshavin? Gervinho? Walcott?

That doesnt exactly fill me with confidance. We need a few more players for 4-4-2 to even be considered imo. Arteta would be wasted on the wing but we can hardly just leave out Song or Wilshere.

I'd rather something like 4-4-1-1 with Arteta behind van Persie, but that still leaves us having to play someone like Walcott again.

Walcott -- Song -- Wilshere -- Chamberlain

Arteta

van Persie

Upside of that is we can have Arteta, Chamberlain and Wilshere all swapping roles if needed. Problem again, is Walcott. Gervinho is really our only other option (Pretending Arshavin doesnt exist) and he hasnt exactly been great this season either. This is also assuming Chamberlain keeps up his recent form. We definitly need another striker either way, ideally one who can play on the wings too so he doesnt only play when van Persie isnt in the team.

Saying that, Wenger wont change mid season unless injuries force his hand.

Redzer7 · 02-02-2012 04:35PM

zerks wrote: »

Saw this and had to post it here.For all Wenger's good work at getting Arsenal playing some truly beautiful football,his belligerence at times is bewildering.

If RVP gets injured he has no decent cover.Players that have gone stale such as Arshavin which should have been replaced.

Wenger sat back last night near the end of the game as Bolton threatened to snatch a winner and seemed to lack any passion or fire as if he would have been resigned to the defeat.

This mock poster was on talksport's site.Both funny and sad in equal measure.

Well Mert has being excellent.

Gringo180 · 02-02-2012 05:09PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

This was brought up several times this season, while I'd love to see it happen, we simply dont have the players to do it properly.

Back five more or less picks itself when (or maybe I should say if...) every one is fit. Problems we have are who to play on the wings, and who to play up top with van Persie?

Arguements sake:

Arteta -- Song -- Wilshere -- Chamberlain
van Persie -- Park? Chamakh? Arshavin? Gervinho? Walcott?

That doesnt exactly fill me with confidance. We need a few more players for 4-4-2 to even be considered imo. Arteta would be wasted on the wing but we can hardly just leave out Song or Wilshere.

I'd rather something like 4-4-1-1 with Arteta behind van Persie, but that still leaves us having to play someone like Walcott again.

Walcott -- Song -- Wilshere -- Chamberlain
Arteta
van Persie

Upside of that is we can have Arteta, Chamberlain and Wilshere all swapping roles if needed. Problem again, is Walcott. Gervinho is really our only other option (Pretending Arshavin doesnt exist) and he hasnt exactly been great this season either. This is also assuming Chamberlain keeps up his recent form. We definitly need another striker either way, ideally one who can play on the wings too so he doesnt only play when van Persie isnt in the team.

Saying that, Wenger wont change mid season unless injuries force his hand.

I'd go with

Benayoun Arteta Song Oxo

Gervinho Van Persie

And when Wilshere is back id leave out Song, as I think Arteta is a far more consistent and all round better player than Song.

Royale with Cheese · 02-02-2012 05:49PM

The funniest thing about that poster is that Theo Walcott's name isn't on it.

Agree Mertesacker has got a very hard time from people, he was shíte before he'd even stepped out on a pitch. People heard he was slow (which is very, very true) and jumped on it. He's done well enough, has been caught out for pace at times but we knew that'd be an issue.

Harsh on Henry as well. He's had little game time and I wouldn't blame him for not contributing when he came on last night, the last 15-20 minutes Arsenal were pathetically just holding on.

amacachi · 02-02-2012 05:57PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

The funniest thing about that poster is that Theo Walcott's name isn't on it.

Agree Mertesacker has got a very hard time from people, he was shíte before he'd even stepped out on a pitch. People heard he was slow (which is very, very true) and jumped on it. He's done well enough, has been caught out for pace at times but we knew that'd be an issue.

Harsh on Henry as well. He's had little game time and I wouldn't blame him for not contributing when he came on last night, the last 15-20 minutes Arsenal were pathetically just holding on.

Mertesacker is more or less OK once Koscielny is next to him. Ya need two different CBs and Mertesacker is the not-fast one.

the untitled user · 02-02-2012 06:45PM

zerks wrote: »

his belligerence at times is bewildering.

Do you understand what that word means? Ferguson is belligerent. Dalgleish is belligerent. Warnock is beliigerent beyond belief.

Wenger's just stubborn.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 02-02-2012 07:49PM

Almunia has been left out of the squad for the rest of the season. Looks like that's the last of him!

tayto lover · 02-02-2012 07:57PM

amacachi wrote: »

We were unbelievably close to beating Barcelona last year, we can beat anyone on our day.

We had Fabregas then, they have him now. Nasri gone too.
We are much weaker this year and there is a great lack of passion and ambition at our club now from the top down.

gosplan · 02-02-2012 08:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

there is a great lack of passion and ambition at our club now from the top down.

Don't really buy that at all.

Our problem is that the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be and the ambition from management and the board is primarily focussed on maintaining healthy finances.

Marty McFly · 02-02-2012 08:09PM

gosplan wrote: »

Don't really buy that at all.

Our problem is that the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be and the ambition from management and the board is primarily focussed on maintaining healthy finances.

Really you dont see it? Yes maybe some of the players arent as good as what weve had in the past and yes we do have some battlers in the squad but not many.

How many times have we gone behind and you can literally see the heads drop? There no players left in the squad who will roar and shout at players grab a game by the scruff of the neck and say hang on were still in this your not having it al your own way.

That is down to management not being able to motivate his players enough to go out and fight for every last second. We all know in the last few games weve had the better players than our oppossition but yet failed to take the victorys what would you put that down to? They showed in the 2nd half against Villa when they want they can perform there just not arsed half the time and that was because of a half time talk from the Captain not the manager. Its as if theyve given up on the league already and have no belief in themselve in getting fourth place once again its up to the manager to motivate them and give them belief that they can do it which hes clearly not doing.

amacachi · 02-02-2012 08:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We had Fabregas then, they have him now. Nasri gone too.
We are much weaker this year and there is a great lack of passion and ambition at our club now from the top down.

Fabregas cost us against Barcelona.

Marty McFly · 02-02-2012 08:12PM

amacachi wrote: »

Fabregas cost us against Barcelona.

Agreed, Wilshere was our stand out performer.

gnfnrhead · 02-02-2012 09:58PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Almunia has been left out of the squad for the rest of the season. Looks like that's the last of him!

Seen the list earlier and didnt even notice that

It's amazing that Szczesny is still an Under 21 player. He's one of our most important players! Wilshere too, but big things were expected of him for a while now.

Cantona's Collars · 03-02-2012 09:33AM

the untitled user wrote: »

Do you understand what that word means? Ferguson is belligerent. Dalgleish is belligerent. Warnock is beliigerent beyond belief.

Wenger's just stubborn.

I understand perfectly what it means,in the context of my post it meant his attitude when it came to any questioning of his team or his selections.

tayto lover · 03-02-2012 10:13AM

gosplan wrote: »

Don't really buy that at all.

Our problem is that the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be and the ambition from management and the board is primarily focussed on maintaining healthy finances.

Any good players we had were sold to make money for the board. I don't need to list them. The same thing will happen in the future with the good young ones coming through now. History repeats itself, especially at Arsenal.
A friend of mine in London who lives close to the ground and who is a lifelong supporter says that anger is mounting with the fans. One point out of a possible twelve in the last four games is not good enough. If that's not bad enough you have many players not even trying and management is doing nothing about it. No replacement for RVP and no second proven goalscorer bought. There are rumours that some of our experienced players are not happy and might want away in the summer too, not just RVP.
And some of you don't buy that at all ??

jmayo · 03-02-2012 11:04AM

gosplan wrote: »

Don't really buy that at all.

Our problem is that the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be and the ambition from management and the board is primarily focussed on maintaining healthy finances.

As a few others have said that is not the total story.
It is too simplistic and too much of an excuse for the management to claim that it is down to the quality of the players.

I keep harping on about the fact that the club no longer has any real leaders.
The great teams of the past always had a few leaders who could drag a team along.
Now continous substandard displays are tolerated both by management and fellow players.

Arshavin is actually a pretty decent footballer, yet when he plays for Arsenal he looks like a guy on a sunday morning after a big feed of drink the night before who can't be bothered trying.

Other teams have some less talented individuals yet you can see their team playing for one another and really putting in the work.
Arsenal has too many passengers.

Liverppol the other week played against Bolton and were truly cr**.
Actually some of the displays were the norm for some Arsenal players.
Even Gerard couldn't be bothered tracking players.

But did Daglish put up with a similar display in the next games ?
No they went out and drew with City and beat united.

emergingstar · 03-02-2012 12:21PM

tayto lover wrote: »

gosplan wrote: »

Don't really buy that at all.

Our problem is that the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be and the ambition from management and the board is primarily focussed on maintaining healthy finances.

Any good players we had were sold to make money for the board. I don't need to list them. The same thing will happen in the future with the good young ones coming through now. History repeats itself, especially at Arsenal.
A friend of mine in London who lives close to the ground and who is a lifelong supporter says that anger is mounting with the fans. One point out of a possible twelve in the last four games is not good enough. If that's not bad enough you have many players not even trying and management is doing nothing about it. No replacement for RVP and no second proven goalscorer bought. There are rumours that some of our experienced players are not happy and might want away in the summer too, not just RVP.
And some of you don't buy that at all ??

What players were sold to make money for the board

Quazzie · 03-02-2012 12:22PM

emergingstar wrote: »

What players were sold to make money for the board

Nasri, Adebayour, and Toure, to name just a few. They were never replaced.

emergingstar · 03-02-2012 12:23PM

jmayo wrote: »

gosplan wrote: »

Don't really buy that at all.

Our problem is that the players aren't as good as we'd like them to be and the ambition from management and the board is primarily focussed on maintaining healthy finances.

As a few others have said that is not the total story.
It is too simplistic and too much of an excuse for the management to claim that it is down to the quality of the players.

I keep harping on about the fact that the club no longer has any real leaders.
The great teams of the past always had a few leaders who could drag a team along.
Now continous substandard displays are tolerated both by management and fellow players.

Arshavin is actually a pretty decent footballer, yet when he plays for Arsenal he looks like a guy on a sunday morning after a big feed of drink the night before who can't be bothered trying.

Other teams have some less talented individuals yet you can see their team playing for one another and really putting in the work.
Arsenal has too many passengers.

Liverppol the other week played against Bolton and were truly cr**.
Actually some of the displays were the norm for some Arsenal players.
Even Gerard couldn't be bothered tracking players.

But did Daglish put up with a similar display in the next games ?
No they went out and drew with City and beat united.

Arshavin has always been lazy were just pointing it out alot more now he never tracked back or done anything without the ball at anytime at the club

emergingstar · 03-02-2012 12:25PM

Quazzie wrote: »

emergingstar wrote: »

What players were sold to make money for the board

Nasri, Adebayour, and Toure, to name just a few. They were never replaced.

None of them were sold to make money
Adebayour and nasri pushed there way out
And we sold we sold toure cause we had more faith in gallas and they hated eachother

Quazzie · 03-02-2012 12:29PM

emergingstar wrote: »

None of them were sold to make money
Adebayour and nasri pushed there way out
And we sold we sold toure cause we had more faith in gallas and they hated eachother

That still doesn't explain why there was no effort made to replace them with all the money that was available to them.

emergingstar · 03-02-2012 12:31PM

Quazzie wrote: »

emergingstar wrote: »

None of them were sold to make money
Adebayour and nasri pushed there way out
And we sold we sold toure cause we had more faith in gallas and they hated eachother

That still doesn't explain why there was no effort made to replace them with all the money that was available to them.

I agree that we should have spent more, but I'm not having we sold them to make money

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