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73 dead in violence at Egyptian football match

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  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Pyramids are wasted in that kip of a country
    [OT] The current "Egyptians" are Arabs and are not in any way related to the Egyptians who built the Pyramids!

    [/OT]

    Sounding more and more like old scores being settled after the uprising! A lot of innocent people would have been caught up in this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Albadry Farghali, a member of parliament for Port Said, accused officials and security forces of allowing the disaster, saying they still had ties to the government of Mubarak, who was overthrown a year ago.
    “The security forces did this or allowed it to happen. The men of Mubarak are still ruling. The head of the regime has fallen but all his men are still in their positions,” he screamed in a telephone call to live television.
    “Where is the security? Where is the government?”
    A number of policemen were among the dead, a medical source and witnesses said.
    Many of the fans involved were hardline supporters of Ahli who fought during last year’s revolution with police, one of the most hated arms of Mubarak’s state.
    These “ultras” again battled with police in and around Cairo’s Tahrir Square in November and December last year in protests calling for the military to hand over power to civilians immediately.
    Reuters


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Just wait till the islamists really take over, you will see deaths in stadiums every week. There is no hope for places like that.

    Really? Is that one of the tenants of the Islamic faith? Weekly riots?

    Do they do it of a Sunday? Or are there mid-week fixtures too? :rolleyes:


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Really? Is that one of the tenants of the Islamic faith? Weekly riots?

    Do they do it of a Sunday? Or are there mid-week fixtures too? :rolleyes:

    I think he's referring to executions for "crimes punishable by death" under some of the more extreme Islamic regimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    As Bill Shankly once said "football is not a matter of life and death, its much more important than that".


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Really? Is that one of the tenants of the Islamic faith? Weekly riots?

    Do they do it of a Sunday? Or are there mid-week fixtures too? :rolleyes:

    He said Islamists, not Muslims. It's akin to asking whether the actions and beliefs of the IRA are representative of the Catholic faith.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,717 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    I still dont understand this.... Are they saying that 74 people were all stabbed or died from fight related injuries ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    As Bill Shankly once said "football is not a matter of life and death, its much more important than that".

    He was being ironic as well...this isn't anything football related tho, its just a brutual and horrific example of the social problems that exist in egypt. its weird being from ireland we're removed from this but think of all the fans who just went to the match to support their own team from their city :( no interest in any of this, and probably got wound up in it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    I still dont understand this.... Are they saying that 74 people were all stabbed or died from fight related injuries ???

    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    A sad reminder of Heysel and Hillsborough, though the latter wasn't anything to with rioting, just a sad indictment of the reaction to it. Please God this is just a reminder of 25 years ago in England.

    Sympathies to the victims and families.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    No how many are injured and how many are dead, the reports I have read have been ambiguous?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,717 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    K-9 wrote: »
    A sad reminder of Heysel and Hillsborough, though the latter wasn't anything to with rioting, just a sad indictment of the reaction to it. Please God this is just a reminder of 25 years ago in England.

    Well, at Heysel, a significant number of the Juventus fans where killed when a stand collapsed (a consequence of the rioting).. That's why I cant understand how 74 people were killed by just the fighting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    It was a wall that collapsed in Brussels. I'd imagine the whole league will be called off over there In Egypt now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Well, at Heysel, a significant number of the Juventus fans where killed when a stand collapsed (a consequence of the rioting).. That's why I cant understand how 74 people were killed by just the fighting.


    They were stabbed. Also reports of them being strangled and thrown off the top deck of the stadium.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Well, at Heysel, a significant number of the Juventus fans where killed when a stand collapsed (a consequence of the rioting).. That's why I cant understand how 74 people were killed by just the fighting.

    They were massacred, reports of people being thrown off higher parts of the stadium, strangled, stabbed to death, trampled to death etc....

    This story will run and run I feel.

    The truth will probably never be fully revealed however, from watching the videos and reading reports/watching the news etc... this seems to be a disgusting act orchestrated by higher ups.

    The turning off the lights, the locking the doors, the allowing knives to be brought in. The twitter message before the game even, this is a chilling story.

    Watching a boy, (young possibly a ball boy) running in the middle of the pitch to escape this and seeing children get shoved over railing in a bid to save them from getting swept up in it was sickening.

    Puts plenty of silly **** into perspective


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭saintsaltynuts


    Eglinton wrote: »
    Taking Injury Time to a whole new level....

    I cant see the funny side to that at all mate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    I still dont understand this.... Are they saying that 74 people were all stabbed or died from fight related injuries ???
    I believe some people were trampled to death as they ran to get away from the violence. It's really unclear at the moment. Some people say fans fell from the stands, others are saying they were thrown. Very hard to know what is unbiased.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    I cant see the funny side to that at all mate.

    That's why serious issues shouldn't be discussed on this particular forum. Too many clowns here.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I believe some people were trampled to death as they ran to get away from the violence. It's really unclear at the moment. Some people say fans fell from the stands, others are saying they were thrown. Very hard to know what is unbiased.

    They had nowhere to run by some accounts. The gates were locked and the floodlights were switched off. The fans in that stand were essentially fed to the locals. They had no way out. Some official somewhere had decided before the game that not all those fans in that end were going to get out alive.

    Something like 73 dead, a couple of fans leaders who might have been hunted..hundreds, possibly 1k injured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭saintsaltynuts


    finbarrk wrote: »
    That's why serious issues shouldn't be discussed on this particular forum. Too many clowns here.

    I know pal.As a football fan im a bit sick,as human being im sick at this.Im a League Of Ireland fan myself and these people were the same as myself just wanting to go out and watch their team play and this happens to them.I thought i had problems til now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭skinny90


    https://mobile.twitter.com/egyFt/status/164798401031049216

    This man should be hung ...sick pr*ck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    dfx- wrote: »
    They had nowhere to run by some accounts. The gates were locked and the floodlights were switched off. The fans in that stand were essentially fed to the locals. They had no way out. Some official somewhere had decided before the game that not all those fans in that end were going to get out alive.
    I think that's the generally accepted story. It's just so cold.

    This has already turned into a complete sh1tstorm. Quotes from Twitter:
    Announcing the names of those that died. People here in the train station crowded around tv.Guys sobbing their eyes out
    3 protests in #Egypt now. In PortSaid by residents defending image, in Cairo by Ultras outside train station, in Suez outside police hq
    500 from Ultras attacking Police Headquarters in #Suez , the police is answering back by throwing tear gas
    Ahly Ultras train arrived from #Portsaid after the massacre chants rocking the station:People demand Field Marshal executed
    This is the station mentioned above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    MugMugs wrote: »
    So what's your take on this OP?

    Normally a good question when someone asks for an opinion and doesn't give it, but Jesus christ are you so hungry for a few "thanks " on your post that you can't figure out the op opinion..cop on for fook sake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Statement (in Arabic) from a Port Said resident and witness (Imad Adwadallah, told to Ahmed Raslan). Basic points:
    • the fans were not searched on entry to the stadium. Not for tickets, weapons, explosives. Just allowed to walk in.
    • Inflammatory signs were allowed to be displayed during the game, causing anger to build.
    • No attempt was made to stop people rushing the pitch.
    • There were armed men outside the stadium waiting for "Ultras" (Ahly fans) to leave the stadium. They shot the exiting fans.
    • When the locals in Port Said heard gunshots they attempted to go into the stadium to save people. This is when the doors to the stadium were shut.
    • The army inexplicably left Port Said hospital unattended for the first time since the revolution. Reports say the armed men made their way to the hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    This story is the most shocking I have heard in a while. Using a football match to instigate a riot to wipe out troublesome fans. I sincerely doubt those killed where all a major threat. Football and politics should never mix. Rip all those who died.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    Madness all over a silly little game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭cabbage kid


    justryan wrote: »
    Madness all over a silly little game

    I'm pretty sure this wasn't about the match


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    justryan wrote: »
    Madness all over a silly little game

    If you read anything, you'd know it had nothing to do with football. That's used as a decoy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    This story is the most shocking I have heard in a while. Using a football match to instigate a riot to wipe out troublesome fans. I sincerely doubt those killed where all a major threat. Football and politics should never mix. Rip all those who died.
    It would make you feel sick. I accidentally clicked on a picture of an injured child on Twitter. He was tiny, couldn't have been older than 7. I wasn't sure if he was alive but if he is then he's almost certainly been blinded. Still wearing his little soccer jersey and covered in blood. How many more angry young men have they created today? It's madness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Well, at Heysel, a significant number of the Juventus fans where killed when a stand collapsed (a consequence of the rioting).. That's why I cant understand how 74 people were killed by just the fighting.

    As said above, this was a political slaughter. There'll be a government response, the only ones arrested will be the fans of the home team who happened not to go to the match.

    Whatever both the official and "accepted" versions of events that ends up coming out I'll treat both with cynicism rather than skepticism. Apparently some security personnel were injured and killed, there's always scores to be settled within workplaces. If anyone got word of anyone having any support for the protesters last year I doubt they were shown much mercy tonight.

    Disgusting scenes altogether. It was obvious from the early footage that there was a lot of at least complicity from the security that was present.


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