Is the Daily Mail really that bad?

PhlegmyMoses · 01-02-2012 09:01PM

Batsy wrote: »

The Daily Mail is a very popular newspaper, well-liked not only in the UK - where it is the second most-read newspaper after The Sun - but also around the world.

One reason for its success, of course, is down to its popular views, views which are shared by the majority of people, unlike lefty newspapers whose bizarre views only resonate with sandal-wearing, tofu-eating, Friends-of-the-Earth type people in Islington.

This is shown in the fact that the Daily Mail website is now the most popular newspaper website on the planet, overtaking that of the New York Times.

In fact, MailOnline is the fifth biggest newspaper in the United States.

I also enjoyed reading The Guardian's article about this. The Guardian, the left-wing bible, has a readership which is miniscule compared to that of the Daily Mail, and is shrinking rapidly. So it was good to see The Guardian, which usually can't report on anything without making disaparaging comments about the Daily Mail, even if it's in articles about probes being sent to Mars, reporting jealously on the Mail's success.

I also enjoyed reading the inevitable childish comments from The Guardian's left-wing, PC readers in the comments section underneath the article on The Guardian's website.

I particularly enjoyed this comment, though, from "Toolow":

Love all the twitchy-lipped Guardian people getting so worked up about this. If you don't like hugely popular sites which produce excellent journalism for everybody then don't read them.....

And will the sullen, negative nobodies who wants to bring race into everything please note that I'm a man of colour. Like many of my compatriots I first started reading the Daily Mail because it presents information and comment in well written English - good usage at all times. It's read by thousands of immigrants for this reason.

By comparison, the NYT is pretentious and boring. To be fair, the Guardian isn't, but there are some right little curtain twitchers who read it.

The Daily mail is so popular because it has created itself a niche, just like the Sun. They know their readership. They give them what they want. They aren't fence sitters and know that a bit of moral indignation is what certain elements of British society wants. And that's the thing, it is an inherently British newspaper that caters for the more discerning jingoist. Curiously, the Irish Daily Mail's figures have been appalling since their launch a few years ago - the worst of all the dailies in fact despite a lower price and a plethora of deals giving away free tat:

Irish Independent 500 (13.9%)
The Irish Times 324 (9%)
Irish Examiner 169 (4.7%)
Irish Daily Star 372 (10.4%)
Irish Daily Mirror 207 (5.8%)
Irish Sun 276 (7.7%)
Irish Daily Mail 141 (3.9%)

mikemac1 · 01-02-2012 09:12PM

They have excellent photos and some great nature and wildlife articles now and again
This one today was a about a hospital on a small island in New York that's been abandoned for decades, I enjoyed it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2094823/New-York-leper-colony-Eerie-pictures-inside-abandoned-world-lost-island.html

The DM knows what it is and their website is very popular.
But the comments are a bit mad, deport everyone, hang that lad, lock away that women, kick everyone else out of the country, every traveller in the world is Irish and a lot of other rage
Good to let off steam but a lot of the readers are angry with the world. And just begging for a war with Argentina, they can't wait for it

Leaving aside those comments, they are a sharp bunch and they pick apart every article looking for mistakes. So they don't accept everything that's in it and will hammer the journalist for errors

snubbleste · 01-02-2012 09:17PM

The DailyMail website is something I check almost everyday. It's actually a very good site, despite the drivel.
I'm human..also one of those who complain about inaccuracies in articles; example was a picture of a snow-topped mountain captioned as the north pole.

Mike 1972 · 01-02-2012 09:23PM

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Daily_Mail

During the 1930s the Daily Mail briefly supported the Blackshirts and Nazis before they realised the former were too moderate while the latter were German and therefore European. Nowadays the paper campaigns against abortion of heterosexual foetuses, while also maintaining the entirely logical and consistent position of demanding the withdrawal of welfare payments to fallen women to support their unwanted bastards.

The only good thing one can say about the Daily Mail is that at least its not the Daily Express.

Latchy · 01-02-2012 09:36PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

The DM knows what it is and their website is very popular.
But the comments are a bit mad, deport everyone, hang that lad, lock away that women, kick everyone else out of the country, every traveller in the world is Irish and a lot of other rage
Good to let off steam but a lot of the readers are angry with the world. And just begging for a war with Argentina, they can't wait for it

Leaving aside those comments, they are a sharp bunch and they pick apart every article looking for mistakes. So they don't accept everything that's in it and will hammer the journalist for errors

Exactly , more or less what I was saying and depending on the topic , the comments do swing from one extreme to another but they will rightly tear into people when it's deserved . Some make valid points and will rightly point out the dept and vaule of a news item which was what I was saying in my last post but was lost on Batsy .

Mike 1972 · 01-02-2012 09:41PM

Batsy wrote: »

The Sun is the 9th biggest selling newspaper on Earth, with a circulation of almost 3 billion

WTF ?

Somebody is talking through their vagina :rolleyes:

Cantona's Collars · 01-02-2012 09:42PM

I visit their site nearly every day but know what to expect,some good articles and some over the top frankly mad stuff.The comments section under some of them make AH seem tame.

mikom · 01-02-2012 10:04PM

Batsy wrote: »

However, The Sun is the 9th biggest selling newspaper on Earth, with a circulation of almost 3 billion,

The newspaper with the largest circulation in the world is Japanese and it barely tips 15 million.
So I don't know where you pulled that figure out of.
You do understand that circulation refers to an average day?

Dudess · 01-02-2012 10:08PM

The UK one is supposed to be way worse. If forced I'd read bits of the Irish Mail (not the opinion columns) before I'd read any of the Indo - or particularly the SIndo.
The Daily Express seems worse than the Mail.

PhlegmyMoses · 01-02-2012 10:13PM

Dudess wrote: »

The Daily Express seems worse than the Mail.

Diana Death Plot Linked To Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Paparazzo · 01-02-2012 10:15PM

Batsy wrote: »

This has nothing to do with The Sun. This is about The Daily Mail.

However, The Sun is the 9th biggest selling newspaper on Earth, with a circulation of almost 3 billion, and is the world's second-biggest-selling English language newspaper after The Times of India.

Yes, with almost all it's sales in Britain. Point still stands. British must have a high percentage of mouth breathers. Most popular papers are:
The Sun,
The Mail
The Mirror,
The Star.

And I've seen The Star in england. It makes the Irish Star actually look like ulysses. As for the Indo, that's fairly bad, but compared to the top 4 in england, it's on another planet.

Latchy · 01-02-2012 10:16PM

Batsy
The Sun is the 9th biggest selling newspaper on Earth, with a circulation of almost 3 billion

.Those 3 Billion readers might see a headline like ' the moon is made of cheese ' and probably believe it to ... why ?

because if the sun say's it true then it must be true ... right ? .... ''No wah ah mean mah son ?''

The same Sun who's former editor stated two months ago on a live tv programme that the filthy Hillsborough news article came from a Liverpool news agency and not London ... only for him to detract his statement 24 hrs later as wrong but with no sense of Irony or shame .

He makes the Daily Mail seem like a Bastion of knowledge and Truth .

Mike 1972 · 01-02-2012 10:19PM

TBH Id rate the Mail as being far more insidious than the Sun given that the average Sun reader is fully aware that what theyre reading is a pile of bollix and they only buy the thing for the football/titties/TV mag on a Saturday.

Dudess wrote: »

The Daily Express seems worse than the Mail.

It is now.

Since Richard "ethics whats that ?" Desmond took over (2004 IIRC) Its more or less been on a mission to Out-Mail the Mail.

efb · 01-02-2012 10:19PM

The daily mail makes the Irish catholic look balanced

mathepac · 01-02-2012 10:21PM

Priori wrote: »

... Is the Daily Mail bad enough that a comparison with the Indo is warranted? ...

Yes, in answer to your question; both are involved in a rush to the bottom, journalistically.

Now have a browse through the number of threads started on boards linking to articles in the Daily Mail on-line version. Is there a discernible pattern do you think? Journal & readers, readers & journals ...

marcsignal · 01-02-2012 10:22PM

OP in my experience, people will cite all kinds of publications when it fits their adgenda, irrespective of their class, education, profession, or general outlook.

I don't read the mail, or the indo particularlly, but will try to access as many different sources as I can and cross reference them.
That way you may get a little closer to the truth.

It used to be 'trendy' to slag off the Sunday World. Since they are gone, something has to take its place in this respect.

Mike 1972 · 01-02-2012 10:23PM

The Sunday World has gone ??? since when

mathepac wrote: »

both are involved in a rush to the bottom, journalistically....

Its really just a question of which one is winning the race.

Dudess · 01-02-2012 10:27PM

It's no Alive!

mathepac · 01-02-2012 10:29PM

marcsignal wrote: »

... It used to be 'trendy' to slag off the Sunday World. Since they are gone, something has to take its place in this respect.

News of the World - even the owners couldn't stomach having it around so they thankfully shut it, probably for reasons other than morality or ethics in journalism though.

Now for the other execrabale rag the Sunday Worst ...

Dudess · 01-02-2012 10:33PM

Batsy wrote: »

The Daily Mail is a very popular newspaper, well-liked not only in the UK - where it is the second most-read newspaper after The Sun - but also around the world.

One reason for its success, of course, is down to its popular views, views which are shared by the majority of people, unlike lefty newspapers whose bizarre views only resonate with sandal-wearing, tofu-eating, Friends-of-the-Earth type people in Islington.

This is shown in the fact that the Daily Mail website is now the most popular newspaper website on the planet, overtaking that of the New York Times.

In fact, MailOnline is the fifth biggest newspaper in the United States.

I also enjoyed reading The Guardian's article about this. The Guardian, the left-wing bible, has a readership which is miniscule compared to that of the Daily Mail, and is shrinking rapidly. So it was good to see The Guardian, which usually can't report on anything without making disaparaging comments about the Daily Mail, even if it's in articles about probes being sent to Mars, reporting jealously on the Mail's success.

I also enjoyed reading the inevitable childish comments from The Guardian's left-wing, PC readers in the comments section underneath the article on The Guardian's website.

I particularly enjoyed this comment, though, from "Toolow":

Love all the twitchy-lipped Guardian people getting so worked up about this. If you don't like hugely popular sites which produce excellent journalism for everybody then don't read them.....

And will the sullen, negative nobodies who wants to bring race into everything please note that I'm a man of colour. Like many of my compatriots I first started reading the Daily Mail because it presents information and comment in well written English - good usage at all times. It's read by thousands of immigrants for this reason.

By comparison, the NYT is pretentious and boring. To be fair, the Guardian isn't, but there are some right little curtain twitchers who read it.

Do you still think that drivel about people who use their brains looks clever?
I'm not remotely anti British - quite an anglophile actually - whereas you are blatantly anti Irish yet make a point of spending time on an Irish website to let people know. God love ya.

marcsignal · 01-02-2012 10:39PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The Sunday World has gone ??? since when

A good 5yrs or more I think. Actually, I think it was ‘absorbed’ by the Daily Star. Some of their staff that is.

Dudess wrote: »

It's no Alive!

'The Slate' with a dog collar, and about as believable

mathepac wrote: »

News of the World - even the owners couldn't stomach having it around so they thankfully shut it, probably for reasons other than morality or ethics in journalism though.
Now for the other execrabale rag the Sunday Worst ...

Don’t get me wrong, the SW was painfully cringeworthy at best. Headlines like :

“Massive Earthquake in China!” and “Jordan goes TOPLESS at the beach”

sharing the same front page :rolleyes:

Mike 1972 · 01-02-2012 11:00PM

marcsignal wrote: »

A good 5yrs or more I think.

Someone should tell Wikipedia then ?

mikemac1 · 01-02-2012 11:01PM

Sunday World is still going strong

It's the Sunday Sport that should be in these posts
Got taken over and the staff reassigned elsewhere

marcsignal · 01-02-2012 11:15PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Someone should tell Wikipedia then ?

mikemac1 wrote: »

Sunday World is still going strong

It's the Sunday Sport that should be in these posts
Got taken over and the staff reassigned elsewhere

Jeez you're right !! I stand corrected

When I videoed their former office in Terenure bieng torn down I was rather hoping they were no more.
Still, I haven't seen that paper in ages ??

Mike 1972 · 01-02-2012 11:20PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I'm not a big fan of The Guardian and its own biases either, but at least they don't appear to make things up (as the two websites posted earlier show about The Daily Mail).

Comparisons between the Guardian and the Daily Mail are pretty ludicrous anyway seeing as how the the Guardian is not a tabloid and its main right wing equivalent would be the Daily Telegraph.

A closer left wing equivalent of the Mail would be Daily Mirror or perhaps the Morning Star.

Capt'n Midnight · 02-02-2012 12:01AM

List of things the daily mail says gives you cancer
all links are to the daily mail site
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=269512464297

The daily mail song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

"How can one not be fond of something that the Daily Mail despises?"
Stephen Fry

K-9 · 02-02-2012 12:40AM

Batsy wrote: »

The Daily Mail is the 11th most popular newspaper in the world (but its website is the most popular newspaper website).

The Guardian doesn't even make it in the world's Top 100.

Yep it's popular, but the Times, the English Independent and the Guardian would be the respected choices for news and politics, even sports. The Mail and the S*n for entertainment and womens stuff!

The X Factor is popular, means zilch.

socco · 02-02-2012 12:48AM

I keep seeing people slate various newspapers... Daily Mail... Sun.... News of the world... Independent...

Is there any good paper out there? if so what is it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-02-2012 12:52AM

Batsy wrote: »

The Daily Mail is a very popular newspaper, well-liked not only in the UK - where it is the second most-read newspaper after The Sun - but also around the world.

One reason for its success, of course, is down to its popular views, views which are shared by the majority of people, unlike lefty newspapers whose bizarre views only resonate with sandal-wearing, tofu-eating, Friends-of-the-Earth type people in Islington.

This is shown in the fact that the Daily Mail website is now the most popular newspaper website on the planet, overtaking that of the New York Times.

In fact, MailOnline is the fifth biggest newspaper in the United States.

I also enjoyed reading The Guardian's article about this. The Guardian, the left-wing bible, has a readership which is miniscule compared to that of the Daily Mail, and is shrinking rapidly. So it was good to see The Guardian, which usually can't report on anything without making disaparaging comments about the Daily Mail, even if it's in articles about probes being sent to Mars, reporting jealously on the Mail's success.

I also enjoyed reading the inevitable childish comments from The Guardian's left-wing, PC readers in the comments section underneath the article on The Guardian's website.

I particularly enjoyed this comment, though, from "Toolow":

Love all the twitchy-lipped Guardian people getting so worked up about this. If you don't like hugely popular sites which produce excellent journalism for everybody then don't read them.....

And will the sullen, negative nobodies who wants to bring race into everything please note that I'm a man of colour. Like many of my compatriots I first started reading the Daily Mail because it presents information and comment in well written English - good usage at all times. It's read by thousands of immigrants for this reason.

By comparison, the NYT is pretentious and boring. To be fair, the Guardian isn't, but there are some right little curtain twitchers who read it.

The whole point of the Daily Mail, liek Fox News, is to keep people scared and ignorant and give them the belief that left wing polices wouldn't work, without any sensible evidence whatsoever.

Dudess · 02-02-2012 12:55AM

Lol - popular = quality. Like Jedward eh?

It's interesting too how putting a bit of thought into things means having "bizarre views".

Is the Daily Mail really that bad?

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