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Judge calls for criminal sanctions on webposters

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    That judge wears socks with holes in them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭abouttobebanned


    Tbh, anything that makes people think twice before they post online is a good thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭imitation


    "Rate my solicitor closed by judge"
    Reads a bit like turkey killed at christmas by butcher.

    I think the Judge has a fair point about slander, it can be untrue and damaging. The problems are what if boards was shut because of a few mild posts about some company ?

    Imo its a pity people cant use those rating websites fairly, I do find alot of professions have cowboys, and you often find out too late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    He probably only wants people to stop posting nasty stuff about the legal profession, and allowed his emotions to get the better of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    People spouting lies, myths and nonsense on the internet should think twice methinks.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    A free country indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    tigger123 wrote: »
    People spouting lies, myths and nonsense on the internet should think twice methinks.
    Thats ok in theory, but people also need to let off steam sometimes, the number of times certain politicians have been called names like traitor etc on some threads could lead to criminal cases been taken against them.
    If a person thinks they have been slandered they already have the right to take a civil action, what this judge wants is for the Gardai to arrest them and if found guilty that they be imprisoned!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    I've always been amazed at how quick the judiciary can act when one of their own are involved. It also amazes me how easy judges can criticize what they like but to criticize a judge can be interpreted as contempt of court.

    And I have to ask, wtf do judges know about the internet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    We should voice our opinions on rate_your_judge.com.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    lividduck wrote: »
    A high court judge yesterday called for criminal sanctions with heavy penalties for those who post untrue allegations on websites. See http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/website-accused-of-defamation-is-closed-by-judge-3005716.html

    A good thing?, or just censorship?



    Untrue allegations- person making them should be held accountable

    Edit: but public figures should expect a bit of flack


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    To be fair, those kinds of sites are open to all kinds of abuse. Abuse that probably makes it easier for people to get them closed down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭roast


    Myths and lies, understandably they should be removed from any website, but taking down the entire website is a bit ridiculous.
    What about all the genuine responses on the website? Surely this is contradictory to freedom of speech?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I think people should put up or shut up. If you want to let off steam rant to a friend- ... Oh wait...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    and so it begins..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    A lot of Irish judges have had a bit of a thing about the Internet ever since one of their own was caught by American police downloading thousands of kiddy porn images and all the details were passed on to the Gardai here. Remember that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Curtin

    I suppose many of them wonder when they will be the next ones to be caught out doing something that would never come to light were it not for the Internet.:rolleyes:


    Judges in Ireland have too much power, they are far too inconsistent in their sentencing, often pontificate on everything and anything in the most pompous and asinine way, and anybody who disagrees with them can be imprisoned under the far too draconian contempt powers they have.:)

    They need to get a life and respect people's right to express their views, including those about the legal profession. After all, there is nothing to prevent a right of reply.:cool:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    omahaid wrote: »
    And I have to ask, wtf do judges know about the internet?

    Its all connected by pipes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    That judge can only get an erection by watching car crashes

    allegedly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Judges in Ireland have too much power

    I wont lie, I am terrified at the fact that there are a group of people in this country who are in no way answerable to society and who can punish people, it seems so daft.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 858 ✭✭✭ed2hands


    Our justice minister Alan Shatters list of complaints on RateMySolicitor from previous clients involving divorce cases and the like for his law firm was long and comprehensive.

    allegedly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I'm surprised that it took this long for the site to be closed down, as the allegations made by the web-posters have been sitting on that site for a few years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    A free country indeed.
    You have never been free to lie about people. There is a coming of age on the internet where somebody publishes things that are not true will get punished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    You have never been free to lie about people.

    So should we prosecute all those who spread untrue rumours? I'd suspect more than half the country would end up inside.

    Laws should not only be balanced but enforceable. This ruling is neither and sets a bad precedent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭CptSternn


    The real question is what does this mean for Yelp and Tripadvisor?

    Can we not freely and openly post online our experiences with companies we trade with? If we are taken advantage of, or, receive inadequate services that are overpriced can we not speak of this online?

    This is not only draconian, but will help make the Internet obsolete in Ireland. With SOPA and ACTA piled on, it is only a matter of time before the tech companies start moving their EU HQs elsewhere.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    If you publish false allegations in a newspaper, you open yourself up to libel action. It follows that anyone who does so on the web risks the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    If you publish false allegations in a newspaper, you open yourself up to libel action. It follows that anyone who does so on the web risks the same.

    But that newspaper would not be shut down as a result of one writer's comment.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Seachmall wrote: »
    But that newspaper would not be shut down as a result of one writer's comment.

    You can seek an injunction to stop publication, which is effectively what the judge did with this website.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    You can seek an injunction to stop publication, which is effectively what the judge did with this website.

    Stopping the publication of an article is not the same as shutting down the newspaper.

    People have, more or less, always had the right to have comments about them removed from websites. This is a step too far.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Stopping the publication of an article is not the same as shutting down the newspaper.

    People have, more or less, always had the right to have comments about them removed from websites. This is a step too far.

    A website is not a newspaper. If a newspaper kept a libellous article up on its website, it could suffer the same fate. They refused to take it down and denied they were responsible for operating the website.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    They refused to take it down and denied they were responsible for operating the website.

    There's no indication in that article that the website ignored previous rulings and refused to take the content down.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    They pleaded justification. In other words, they didn't want to take it down.


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