Michael Martin being opportunistic and disgraceful.

Paddy De Plasterer · 31-01-2012 10:47PM #1

According to RTE news Michael Martin wants a referendum on the new EU fiscal treaty. Government position is that there will be one if the AG says it is necessary to comply with our Constitution. On matters of EU treaty FG and Labour have always acted responsibly, but it seems FF want to ape Sinn Fein and ULA in the matter. Twice in the last 48 hours two FF frontbenchers, Calleary and McGrath said FF would not seek a referendum if the AG advised it was not necessary. FF in disarray, or acting the gurrier ? I suspect the latter.

Immaculate Pasta · 31-01-2012 10:53PM

I say never trust a man who has two Christian names for a full name.

George Michael
Elton John
Clark Kent
Zach Morris
Cliff Richard

They're all trouble :cool:

galwayrush · 31-01-2012 10:54PM

Best ignore him.

darragh o meara · 31-01-2012 10:55PM

It won't matter what they want, this treaty is going through without a referendum, I'd be surprised if it hasn't already been signed. Merkozy and crew have made sure that we won't need one so that it can be passed ASAP.

Gigiwagga · 31-01-2012 10:55PM

M. Martin is cringe inducing and utterly two faced, where does he think we've been while he and his cronies wrecked the country...under a rock?
I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

k.p.h · 31-01-2012 10:57PM

Whats you point ..?

Underdraft · 31-01-2012 10:59PM

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

I say never trust a man who has two Christian names for a full name.

George Michael
Elton John
Clark Kent
Zach Morris
Cliff Richard

They're all trouble :cool:

What about a man who has two surnames for a full name? (eg FF leader Montgomery Burns.)

Lawrence1895 · 31-01-2012 10:59PM

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

I say never trust a man who has two Christian names for a full name.

George Michael
Elton John
Clark Kent
Zach Morris
Cliff Richard

They're all trouble :cool:

Enda Kenny is one, too...just to mention it

Paddy De Plasterer · 31-01-2012 11:01PM

Martin and FF have no shame, but I suppose its bred in their marrow since time they destroyed the country, first in civil war, then economic war, then in 1970s, 1980s, and more recently with so called Celtic Tiger along with their friends in Banks, Building trade etc.

efb · 31-01-2012 11:04PM

Tony Blair

Sindri · 31-01-2012 11:05PM

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

I say never trust a man who has two Christian names for a full name.

George Michael
Elton John
Clark Kent
Zach Morris
Cliff Richard

They're all trouble :cool:

You must really distrust the Welsh.

James James

Underdraft · 31-01-2012 11:06PM

efb wrote: »

Tony Blair

Bill Clinton.

Havermeyer · 31-01-2012 11:06PM

Every time Micheál Martin speaks, I get a little sick in my mouth.

How the guy sleeps at night is beyond me.

Totally shameless, and an utter disgrace.

Deus Ex Machina · 31-01-2012 11:07PM

Sindri wrote: »

You must really distrust the Welsh.

What does your username mean?

efb · 31-01-2012 11:08PM

Underdraft wrote: »

Bill Clinton.

I like this game!

tolosenc · 31-01-2012 11:08PM

I find it quite offensive when Fianna Fáil TDs or whatever are interviewed on the news and start moaning about the the current government and the mess the country is in, as if they could be handling it much better. The sooner people just ignore them and let the party die, the better.

So, in short, I wouldn't waste my time caring about what any Fianna Fáil member has to say for himself.

M cebee · 31-01-2012 11:08PM

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

I say never trust a man who has two Christian names for a full name.

George Michael
Elton John
Clark Kent
Zach Morris
Cliff Richard

They're all trouble :cool:

you forgot enda kenny

migemo · 31-01-2012 11:09PM

Opposition in 'different point of view than the government' shocker.

Sindri · 31-01-2012 11:09PM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

What does your username mean?

Why?

Paddy De Plasterer · 31-01-2012 11:15PM

Will Martin read the new treaty same as Biffo did not. And Martin, as Minister for Health, did not read the nursing home brief which cost this state a few billion.

Deus Ex Machina · 31-01-2012 11:27PM

Sindri wrote: »

Why?

Don't know, sounds like you're from fucking India or some shit.

Lawrence1895 · 31-01-2012 11:30PM

M cebee wrote: »

you forgot enda kenny

But I mentioned him, Post No.8, page 1 of this thread

Sierra Oscar · 31-01-2012 11:30PM

Should we not have a referendum to allow the people have their say on this, considering its long lasting implications? Attacking the idea of a referendum just because FF are supporting a stance (along with the rest of the opposition) is just skirting past the issue itself.

starbelgrade · 31-01-2012 11:31PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5Rcc17eb8

Jesus Shaves · 31-01-2012 11:33PM

Underdraft wrote: »

Bill Clinton.

Sean Sherlock.

Zebra3 · 31-01-2012 11:40PM

Paddy De Plasterer wrote: »

According to RTE news Michael Martin wants a referendum on the new EU fiscal treaty. Government position is that there will be one if the AG says it is necessary to comply with our Constitution. On matters of EU treaty FG and Labour have always acted responsibly, but it seems FF want to ape Sinn Fein and ULA in the matter. Twice in the last 48 hours two FF frontbenchers, Calleary and McGrath said FF would not seek a referendum if the AG advised it was not necessary. FF in disarray, or acting the gurrier ? I suspect the latter.

Would you ever cop yourself on? :rolleyes: Yes Martin and FF are hypocrites, but what about FG and Lab who were happy enough to see the will of the people get a re-run because they weren't happy with certain referendum results?

And remember all their lies about Lisbon "vote yes for jobs"..... :mad: Well, the people eventually voted for Lisbon, but it didn't do much for jobs, did it? :rolleyes:

I smell a lot of FG lackeys on here lately trying to steem the tide of justified criticism.

SafeSurfer · 01-02-2012 12:11AM

List of TDs in current Dail with a surname that can also be a first name.

BARRY, Tom Fine Gael Cork East
BUTLER, Ray Fine Gael Meath West
CAREY, Joe Fine Gael Clare
FERRIS, Anne Labour Wicklow
FERRIS, Martin Sinn Féin Kerry North-W Limerick
Harris, Simon Fine Gael Wicklow
KELLY, Alan Labour Tipperary North
KENNY, Enda Fine Gael Mayo
KENNY, Seán Labour Dublin North East
KIRK, Seamus Fianna Fáil Louth **
KITT, Michael Fianna Fáil Galway East
MARTIN, Micheál Fianna Fáil Cork South Central
MITCHELL, Olivia Fine Gael Dublin South
MITCHELL O'CONNOR, Mary Fine Gael Dún Laoghaire
NEVILLE, Dan Fine Gael Limerick
PERRY, John Fine Gael Sligo-North Leitrim
ROSS, Shane Independent Dublin South
RYAN, Brendan Labour Dublin North
SHATTER, Alan Fine Gael Dublin South
SHERLOCK, Seán Labour Cork East
STANLEY, Brian Sinn Féin Laois-Offaly
TROY, Robert Fianna Fáil Longford-Westmeath
WALLACE, Mick Independent Wexford

Debatable

ADAMS, Gerry Sinn Féin Louth
COLLINS, Áine Fine Gael Cork North West
COLLINS, Joan United Left All. Dublin South Central
COLLINS, Niall Fianna Fáil Limerick
HUMPHREYS, Heather Fine Gael Cavan-Monaghan
HUMPHREYS, Kevin Labour Dublin South East
MATHEWS, Peter Fine Gael Dublin South

Sindri · 01-02-2012 12:13AM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Don't know, sounds like you're from fucking India or some shit.

Are you racist?

You mean the phonetic similarity between, I presume, Singh and Sindri or even possibly the homonymy of Sindri and Sindri, Jharkhand in India.

:pac:

Liam Byrne · 01-02-2012 12:22AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Should we not have a referendum to allow the people have their say on this, considering its long lasting implications? Attacking the idea of a referendum just because FF are supporting a stance (along with the rest of the opposition) is just skirting past the issue itself.

Should we have had a referendum on the much bigger disaster that was the bank bailout ?

The two main political parties are sickeningly two-faced, but FF are definitely ahead when it comes to inconsistency and pretending to represent Ireland's best interests.

Underdraft · 01-02-2012 01:02AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

FERRIS, Anne Labour Wicklow
FERRIS, Martin Sinn Féin Kerry North-W Limerick

Chick chick a chick aahhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhkDdayA4iA

castie · 01-02-2012 05:40AM

Opposition in trying to make government look bad shocker?

It doesnt matter what party is in the others will do whatever they can to make it look like they are not serving the people.

Some load of bollox.

Michael Martin being opportunistic and disgraceful.

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