If you could cut one welfare payment, what would it be ?

Wattle · 31-01-2012 12:42AM

John Player Blue Allowance

Show Time · 31-01-2012 12:46AM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I don't really have a suggestion for welfare cuts per se, but for those drunken bastards who clog up A&E through their own actions/stupidity should be told to feck off. However, that might lead to their death. So in that case, for anyone who's hammered drunk and wants A&E treatment, they should be whacked with a charge of 1000 Euro (payable over several months and repayments enforced by heavies/judgements).

If they can afford to get legless every weekend (or almost everyday in some case) then they can afford to lay off the drink for awhile to repay the new A&E bill.

And for those drunks who were randomly attacked - get the Garda to investigate and see if that's the case.

Christmas Eve i had a family member who had to be rushed to A&E and in fairness to the staff who were fantastic they had to deal with a few drunks who were left waiting while people with real needs were seen to.

Rockery Woman · 31-01-2012 12:55AM

The Mickey Money

Make the fathers of the kids pay for their offspring not the state! Maybe just cut the Mickey..... that'd work :pac:

Reamer Fanny · 31-01-2012 12:56AM

Chasing the Dragon Allowance

admiralofthefleet · 31-01-2012 12:56AM

rent allowance

me and my missus are saving like mad to get the money together for a house but cant get rent allowance because i work. meanwhile i look at neighbouring houses that have couples living in them with rent allowance creaming the system and lying in bed while i go to work

Jesus Wept · 31-01-2012 12:58AM

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Pete M. · 31-01-2012 01:00AM

Does this include corporate welfare payments?

Get rid of those, we could all live happily on the dole :cool:

LighterGuy · 31-01-2012 01:00AM

With threads like these,
How can anyone argue that the Irish are not a shower of begruders?

Oh and, i see a theme here. I see a pattern here. Everyone is complaining and suggesting cutting a certain thing. Oddly enough, its always something that doesnt apply to them :rolleyes:

mikeyboy · 31-01-2012 01:03AM

All unvouched allowances for members of the Dail. Also the Seanad, it's just workfare for failed TD's and hacks.

Dudess · 31-01-2012 01:03AM

I don't know that begrudgery is an Irish thing though.

mikemac1 · 31-01-2012 01:07AM

In the twenties Ernst Blythe cut the pension and his name is dirt almost a century later.

The minister who cuts the OAP is very brave one indeed and they will have to face down protests that no minister will ever want to face.

Logical Fallacy · 31-01-2012 01:15AM

LighterGuy wrote: »

With threads like these,
How can anyone argue that the Irish are not a shower of begruders?

Oh and, i see a theme here. I see a pattern here. Everyone is complaining and suggesting cutting a certain thing. Oddly enough, its always something that doesnt apply to them :rolleyes:

There is also nearly always a reason it would make them feel better as well, so it's not even a suggestion for the good of the economy. lol

Personally i would look at lowering rent allowance, but only if it meant lower rent levels as well. It is a bit of a safety net for landlords etc and it does up the average rental price on a property.

coach343 · 31-01-2012 01:19AM

Two main gripes about the social welfare at the minute:

Firstly, for those people who work a three day week and claim for three days (the dole is based on a six day week). In theory its fine, but for most people who would take home about 350-380 after taxes for five days, would take home a similar amount for working three days due to the reduction in their wage, they no longer pay PAYE and save on PRSI and USC also.

This in turn makes many people apply to work three days, and those looking for work often tell potential employers that they are only available for three days. A friend of mine was recruiting for a four day a week role and a number of applicants told him they would only be willing to work three days.

Where is the incentive to work?????????????????????????????

Secondly, without knowing the exact breakdown. I have been told that a single mother is entitled to €230 per week whilst living alone but if her boyfriend moved in with her, they would only get a combined €188 per week (rough figures). The boyfriend would be entitled to €188 if didn't live with his kid. So if they want to live together, they would loose out on €230. Apologies if the figures aren't penny perfect but a close friend in this situation was telling me so they are fairly accurate if not exact. How can this be right????????????????????????????????

Millicent · 31-01-2012 01:23AM

Lars1916 wrote: »

No dole for those, who refuse to take a job offered to them by FAS...wait...we are not in Germany, but they should introduce something like that in Ireland, imo

I'm inclined to disagree because there is the strong probability that people will be forced into this joke of a scheme and continue subsidising private business at no cost to the business.

Millicent · 31-01-2012 01:26AM

coach343 wrote: »

Two main gripes about the social welfare at the minute:

Firstly, for those people who work a three day week and claim for three days (the dole is based on a six day week). In theory its fine, but for most people who would take home about 350-380 after taxes for five days, would take home a similar amount for working three days due to the reduction in their wage, they no longer pay PAYE and save on PRSI and USC also.

This in turn makes many people apply to work three days, and those looking for work often tell potential employers that they are only available for three days. A friend of mine was recruiting for a four day a week role and a number of applicants told him they would only be willing to work three days.

Where is the incentive to work?????????????????????????????

Secondly, without knowing the exact breakdown. I have been told that a single mother is entitled to €230 per week whilst living alone but if her boyfriend moved in with her, they would only get a combined €188 per week (rough figures). The boyfriend would be entitled to €188 if didn't live with his kid. So if they want to live together, they would loose out on €230. Apologies if the figures aren't penny perfect but a close friend in this situation was telling me so they are fairly accurate if not exact. How can this be right????????????????????????????????

Part 1, it's 5 days now, after the Budget, IIRC.

Second part, only one gets €188; the other's dole is calculated on that €188, with a shelf of €312 (between the two), again, IIRC.

ETA: It is nuts alright that the welfare system actually discourages the nuclear family.

Jesus Shaves · 31-01-2012 01:29AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

There is also nearly always a reason it would make them feel better as well, so it's not even a suggestion for the good of the economy. lol

Personally i would look at lowering rent allowance, but only if it meant lower rent levels as well. It is a bit of a safety net for landlords etc and it does up the average rental price on a property.

rent allowance was only lowered very recently

Jesus Shaves · 31-01-2012 01:31AM

coach343 wrote: »

Two main gripes about the social welfare at the minute:

Firstly, for those people who work a three day week and claim for three days (the dole is based on a six day week). In theory its fine, but for most people who would take home about 350-380 after taxes for five days, would take home a similar amount for working three days due to the reduction in their wage, they no longer pay PAYE and save on PRSI and USC also.

This in turn makes many people apply to work three days, and those looking for work often tell potential employers that they are only available for three days. A friend of mine was recruiting for a four day a week role and a number of applicants told him they would only be willing to work three days.

Where is the incentive to work?????????????????????????????

Secondly, without knowing the exact breakdown. I have been told that a single mother is entitled to €230 per week whilst living alone but if her boyfriend moved in with her, they would only get a combined €188 per week (rough figures). The boyfriend would be entitled to €188 if didn't live with his kid. So if they want to live together, they would loose out on €230. Apologies if the figures aren't penny perfect but a close friend in this situation was telling me so they are fairly accurate if not exact. How can this be right????????????????????????????????

all your points are completely wrong

carfiosaoorl · 31-01-2012 01:33AM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Single mothers allowence.

Done

because there is no such allowance

Logical Fallacy · 31-01-2012 01:34AM

darokane wrote: »

rent allowance was only lowered very recently

Indeed, but no relevant lowering of actual rent prices.

Like i said, i would only lower it if i could think of a reasonable way for the effect of it to be lower rent prices.

Jesus Shaves · 31-01-2012 01:36AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Indeed, but no relevant lowering of actual rent prices.

Like i said, i would only lower it if i could think of a reasonable way for the effect of it to be lower rent prices.

the only way that would work is if the local councils brought in rent caps for different areas

Millicent · 31-01-2012 01:39AM

darokane wrote: »

the only way that would work is if the local councils brought in rent caps for different areas

There are caps on rent payable on rent allowance for different areas already though.

ETA: Rates here.

deisedave · 31-01-2012 01:40AM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Why should children get anything? They dont pay any tax. Let the people who want little clones pay for their own little darlings.

I am against people having kids to sponge but really your statement is ridiculous we need kids for the future of society and sometimes people fall on hard times.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-01-2012 01:41AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

In the twenties Ernst Blythe cut the pension and his name is dirt almost a century later.

The minister who cuts the OAP is very brave one indeed and they will have to face down protests that no minister will ever want to face.

The Irish Civil War had placed an enormous strain on the nascent Free State, with public spending almost doubling in the previous twelve months. As a result, Blythe was confronted with a projected budget of more than £8 million for the coming year when the national debt already stood at £6 million. He did however fund the Ardnacrusha or Shannon Scheme. But there was widespread criticism when he reduced old-age pensions from 10 shillings to 9 shillings (45p ~57cent) a week.

National debt at £6 million , jaysus

MickySticks · 31-01-2012 01:46AM

I would like to see Rent Allowance abolished, place the unemployed in repossessed houses and make them pay 40% of their SW on rent.

Landlords are getting away with murder in this country.

previous user · 31-01-2012 01:51AM

Fuel allowance for pensioners,

I could use a top up on me dole.

Abi · 31-01-2012 01:54AM

The pyjama wearing recipients.

hatrickpatrick · 31-01-2012 01:58AM

I'd cut the social welfare we pay to unsecured gamblers in large cowboy banks, who seem to believe that their stupid decisions should be compensated by ordinary people who had f*ck all to do with it.

IMO if you support cutting things like the dole and pensions, payments made to people who do actually need money a lot of the time, but NOT to people who chose of their own free will to get mixed up in something like Anglo Irish Bank, you need to seriously, seriously re-evaluate your priorities.

Jesus Shaves · 31-01-2012 02:10AM

Millicent wrote: »

There are caps on rent payable on rent allowance for different areas already though.

ETA: Rates here.

I mean't the maximum rent a landlord could charge in an area depending on dwelling of course
i know there are rent caps in regards to the amount of rent a person receiving rent supplement can pay but are these adhered to?
I think not.

Jesus Shaves · 31-01-2012 02:11AM

MickySticks wrote: »

I would like to see Rent Allowance abolished, place the unemployed in repossessed houses and make them pay 40% of their SW on rent.

Landlords are getting away with murder in this country.

only 40%?

Millicent · 31-01-2012 02:13AM

darokane wrote: »

I mean't the maximum rent a landlord could charge in an area depending on dwelling of course
i know there are rent caps in regards to the amount of rent a person receiving rent supplement can pay but are these adhered to?
I think not.

Unless the recipient of the rent allowance pays out of their own pockets, the landlord has to take that maximum or refuse the tenant. Unless they choose to commit fraud and charge the tenant over the rent allowance figure.

If you could cut one welfare payment, what would it be ?

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