Would I legally be able to get the clampers at their own game by doing this (legally)

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:29AM #1

OK, they have a sign in the car park saying "Any car parked unauthorized will be clamped, release fee 120€", OK, it is 120 RELEASE FEE Not a fine, (as private companies cannot fine apparently). So if it is just a release fee, does that mean I can legally remove it my self for free w/o damaging it ??

Also, if I attach a similar sign to my window saying any device attached to this car with impedes the safety or operation of it will be removed and destroyed? Is this allowed?? I could say by attaching a clamp you are entering into a contract to have it removed adn destroyed ...

Or better yet just walk into the car park and when the clampers are doing their rounds, pop one of these bad boys onto the wheel of the clampers' van.

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/7404197/Trail/searchtext%3EWHEEL%2BCLAMP.htm

any solicitor / lawyer / judge who can shed light on the issue would be super, or even anyone with similar experiences would be great or if you have any knowledge on topic !!!

El Weirdo · 30-01-2012 12:30AM

I wish there was a fine for stupid threads.

ahyeahok · 30-01-2012 12:31AM

Alan_H_1991 wrote: »

OK, they have a sign in the car park saying "Any car parked unauthorized will be clamped, release fee 120€", OK, it is 120 RELEASE FEE Not a fine, (as private companies cannot fine apparently). So if it is just a release fee, does that mean I can legally remove it my self for free w/o damaging it ??

Also, if I attach a similar sign to my window saying any device attached to this car with impedes the safety or operation of it will be removed and destroyed? Is this allowed?? I could say by attaching a clamp you are entering into a contract to have it removed adn destroyed ...

Or better yet just walk into the car park and when the clampers are doing their rounds, pop one of these bad boys onto the wheel of the clampers' van.

http://www.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/7404197/Trail/searchtext%3EWHEEL%2BCLAMP.htm

any solicitor / lawyer / judge who can shed light on the issue would be super, or even anyone with similar experiences would be great or if you have any knowledge on topic !!!

or just buy four clamps and clamp your own car...

dxhound2005 · 30-01-2012 12:32AM

Would In Before the Lock be appropriate in this case?

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:32AM

ahyeahok wrote: »

or just buy four clamps and clamp your own car...

what if they pop a clamp over it??

and its too inconvenient and time consuming.

The clamps that the crooks use at NCPS are crappy and you can easily access the lug nuts if it is not fixed 100% perfectly

gurramok · 30-01-2012 12:33AM

Yes you can OP, you can remove that clamp without any recourse as it has been mounted by a private clamper rather than a council clamper. Do not damage it and you'll be fine as there is no regulations on private clamping in Ireland hence you will not be brought to court. See Motors forum for more info

Sindri · 30-01-2012 12:33AM

Way too much time on your hands.

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:33AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Would In Before the Lock be appropriate in this case?

huh??

efb · 30-01-2012 12:33AM

would it not be easier pay for parking???

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:34AM

gurramok wrote: »

Yes you can OP, you can remove that clamp without any recourse as it has been mounted by a private clamper rather than a council clamper. Do not damage it and you'll be fine as there is no regulations on private clamping in Ireland hence you will not be brought to court. See Motors forum for more info

Wish I could, but I'm banned !! :P haha I let out a very big rant when these unauthorized extortionate cowboys better known as NCPS clamped me :P

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:35AM

Sindri wrote: »

Way too much time on your hands.

I did last time, but the clamper must have been blind, malicious or just plain stupid because I had one on the dash, appealed it .. but still no money back :mad:

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:35AM

efb wrote: »

would it not be easier pay for parking???

I did last time, but the clamper must have been blind, malicious or just plain stupid because I had one on the dash, appealed it .. but still no money back :mad:

johndaman66 · 30-01-2012 12:36AM

I'm not a solicitor, lawyer or judge but I have heard it said before on more than one occasion that if you can remove the clamp without damaging it they have no recourse against you. Having said that you will never remove it without damaging it...I don't think Keith Barry would even pull that one off.

I had the unfortunate experience once and when your man came to remove it he had enough hassle doing so, even with the key.

Bad Panda · 30-01-2012 12:36AM

Just park your damn car where you won't be clamped. That and/or pay for parking like everyone else.

gurramok · 30-01-2012 12:37AM

Alan_H_1991 wrote: »

Wish I could, but I'm banned !! :P haha I let out a very big rant when these unauthorized extortionate cowboys better known as NCPS clamped me :P

Banned, what you on about? They cannot clamp your car legally in a private area as there is no law governing it. You can remove said clamp without damage and penalty, this has been discussed to death on the Motors forum previously. Whats stopping you?

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:39AM

johndaman66 wrote: »

I'm not a solicitor, lawyer or judge but I have heard it said before on more than one occasion that if you can remove the clamp without damaging it they have no recourse against you. Having said that you will never remove it without damaging it...I don't think Keith Barry would even pull that one off.

I had the unfortunate experience once and when your man came to remove it he had enough hassle doing so, even with the key.

Actually I was clamped before and the face of the clamp was not tightly bound to the wheel, hence lug nuts were accessible, so it would have been possible with a bit of effort :cool:

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:40AM

Bad Panda wrote: »

Just park your damn car where you won't be clamped. That and/or pay for parking like everyone else.

I did last time, but the clamper must have been blind, malicious or just plain stupid because I had one on the dash, appealed it .. but still no money back :mad:

MackQ · 30-01-2012 12:56AM

Don't even drive into an NCPS car park. They are low-lifes who are a law onto themselves. They don't play by moral rules and do not deserve to earn a cent from anyone.
The f***ers took over a car park where I live a few years ago. Put up their sign at one end where there was no lighting and couldn't be seen in the dark. Clamped 10 cars parked at the opposite end of the car park in one night alone, all belonging to people who had young kids performing in a play locally. €1,200 earned by the two jerks who arrived an hour later swearing that it wasn't them who put the clamps on and they would never have done such a thing. Scumbags, surprised they weren't lynched tbh. Loads of young kids in tears.
Saw the very same van the next day parked up on a footpath. So tempted.... But I have moral standards.
My advice is don't use their car parks.

Alan_H_1991 · 30-01-2012 12:58AM

MackQ wrote: »

Don't even drive into an NCPS car park. They are low-lifes who are a law onto themselves. They don't play by moral rules and do not deserve to earn a cent from anyone.
The f***ers took over a car park where I live a few years ago. Put up their sign at one end where there was no lighting and couldn't be seen in the dark. Clamped 10 cars parked at the opposite end of the car park in one night alone, all belonging to people who had young kids performing in a play locally. €1,200 earned by the two jerks who arrived an hour later swearing that it wasn't them who put the clamps on and they would never have done such a thing. Scumbags, surprised they weren't lynched tbh. Loads of young kids in tears.
Saw the very same van the next day parked up on a footpath. So tempted.... But I have moral standards.
My advice is don't use their car parks.

well said, next time I am clamped, or anyone else for that matter, I have 2 words . " ANGLE " and " GRINDER ".

antodeco · 30-01-2012 01:11AM

It's very hard to prove any damage was done, when said clamp goes missing...

"what clamp? I didnt remove it. Some other 'anti-clamper' must be on a mission. How do I know you didn't remove it?"

UglyBolloxFace · 30-01-2012 01:17AM

El Weirdo wrote: »

I wish there was a fine for stupid threads.

I don't see what's stupid about this thread? In fact, I find it very interesting.

UglyBolloxFace · 30-01-2012 01:21AM

gurramok wrote: »

Banned, what you on about? They cannot clamp your car legally in a private area as there is no law governing it. You can remove said clamp without damage and penalty, this has been discussed to death on the Motors forum previously. Whats stopping you?

What I don't get is, and this is a genuine question, are the clampers given some sort of licence from the City Council/Government which allows them to clamp? What's stopping me and a few of the lads throwing on hi-vis jackets, getting some clamps, and going around clamping illegally-parked cars? Think of the money!

ringadingding · 30-01-2012 01:33AM

A friend removed a clamp from his jeep once by letting down the tyre ( massive tyres).

Or so he says anyway, but I have no reason to believe its a lie.

Rabidlamb · 30-01-2012 09:53AM

I work for a welding firm that also stocks industrial gases, Oxy, CO2, etc.
We carry portable tanks for off site work & repair jobs.
The guys have told me tales of removing their own & others clamps with a gas torch in seconds.
They bring the clamp with them & chuck them in our recycling skip in work for steel scrap metal.

Nothingbetter2d · 30-01-2012 11:58AM

i know a guy that clamped the clamper's van after his own car was clamped by them... then told the clampers he'd release their van if they released his car... they released his car lol

Seachmall · 30-01-2012 12:07PM

I remember hearing on Joe Duffy about a guy who was clamped and refused to pay the removal fee so he began taking the car apart. The clamper called the police and the gardai just advised him if he damages the clamp he's liable to to pay for it. After an hour and a half he had it removed without damage and handed it back to the clamper to the cheers of the crowd who had formed.

Legend.

Paparazzo · 30-01-2012 12:19PM

antodeco wrote: »

It's very hard to prove any damage was done, when said clamp goes missing...

"what clamp? I didnt remove it. Some other 'anti-clamper' must be on a mission. How do I know you didn't remove it?"

This.
Would love to do it as a service, go around NCPS car parks cutting random clamps off. Cut them into little bits, then go round to NCPS and dump them outside their office.

Immaculate Pasta · 30-01-2012 12:22PM

Just get a horse instead because if someone tries to clamp your horse it would kick them in the face :cool:

dxhound2005 · 30-01-2012 02:38PM

This is how it's done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV5vJdH-TA

Overheal · 30-01-2012 02:48PM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

i know a guy that clamped the clamper's van after his own car was clamped by them... then told the clampers he'd release their van if they released his car... they released his car lol

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/50441183.png

Logical Fallacy · 30-01-2012 02:50PM

You could just park where you are supposed to park.

Would I legally be able to get the clampers at their own game by doing this (legally)

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