Apples chinese work policy

cloptrop · 27-01-2012 04:14PM

What has this got to do with yang and tuang jumping off roofs.

cournioni · 27-01-2012 04:15PM

At least with slave labour you're guaranteed good quality...

Oh no he didn't... :pac:

Auvers · 27-01-2012 04:16PM

OSI wrote: »

and the Transformer was touted as an iPad killer when it came out.

by whom? it was a hybrid between a Laptop\Tablet not a dedicated tablet

now the new Transformer Prime on the other hand is a true iPad killer for me

just tell your boss to upgrade his Desire to Gingerbread and the 250 MB system partition is fixed, oh and all you have to do is buy a new battery and insert it by clipping off the back

partyatmygaff · 27-01-2012 04:18PM

Nothing beats a good old disingenuous comparison. Apple fans in particular seem to be attracted to them.

"I bought a 2011 Macbook Pro 15 for €2000+ last year. It's way better than my old Dell (Whose model and price I carefully neglected to mention)."

If people actually compared like-to-like instead, €2000+ would get you a far better laptop than anything Apple has to offer.

Dyr · 27-01-2012 04:24PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Why do Apple get singled out for using Foxconn but never Samsung, Dell, HP and others?

Edit, better posts then mine above with lists

because apple are annoying c**ts as are many of their users

Dyr · 27-01-2012 04:36PM

OSI wrote: »

My €1000 Macbook Pro is better built, more stable, more responsive, and better at running multiple programs at once, and lasts longer on battery than the 1 year old €2500 Dell it replaced.

lol you paid 2.5k for a dell laptop? Throw the ould model and specs up there :pac:

Auvers · 27-01-2012 04:37PM

Bambi wrote: »

lol you paid 2.5k for a dell laptop? Throw the ould model and specs up there :pac:

but a 1k MacBook beats it performance :P

I smell a load of bull

cloptrop · 27-01-2012 04:43PM

OSI wrote: »

You still haven't told us what Apple has to do with this specifically. They are not Apple employees. But Apple still pay the ones working on the production lines responsible for their products extra, making them the best paid of all Foxconn employees. What's more, as has already been stated suicide levels in Foxconn are lower than most national averages, including China.

So, lower suicide rates than the national average, better wages and conditions than the national average, and so many candidates are putting themselves forward to work there they could hire 3,000 people a day. Yeah, sounds like a hellhole.

I dont think they should do anything , I wanted to be informed if i should buy their **** on the grounds they they may or may not be baddies like in captain planet. By what you people are saying is go for it , they are only doing what everyone else is doing .

partyatmygaff · 27-01-2012 04:48PM

OSI wrote: »

I didn't say I paid for it.

I didn't say it's performance was better. Was the Dell more powerful? Hell yeah. What I said was, it was "better built, more stable, more responsive, and better at running multiple programs at once, and lasts longer on battery". Which to most people is all that matters.

The only actually comparable laptop that Dell sells is the Precision M4600/M6600. Could you please clarify what you mean by "Dell"?

cloptrop · 27-01-2012 04:50PM

OSI wrote: »

Do you know the working conditions of the people that make everything you own? Do you only buy clothes that you know for certain weren't made at any point by a little Pakistani buy? Do you only buy organic food made in Ireland? Do you only buy cars designed and manufactured in Europe? I really don't see the point in this thread other than an attempt to be part of the Apple bashing brigade unless you have serious concerns for the working conditions of those that manufacture every consumer item.

I like to do my bit for fellow man with my spening power.

cloptrop · 27-01-2012 05:01PM

OSI wrote: »

What laptop/pc are you using at the moment?

acer a multimedia one the girlfriend tells me , im not really into computers , I have a hp yoke I dont use it much and bought it before I ever heard of foxconn or whatever they're called,

partyatmygaff · 27-01-2012 05:04PM

OSI wrote: »

I'm not getting into this crap with you again.

What crap?

Is there anything wrong with comparing like-to-like? It doesn't make any sense to compare a laptop that starts at €599 like the XPS 15 to a Macbook Pro 15 that starts at €1830.

minidazzler · 27-01-2012 05:11PM

cloptrop wrote: »

OSI wrote: »

What laptop/pc are you using at the moment?

acer a multimedia one the girlfriend tells me , im not really into computers , I have a hp yoke I dont use it much and bought it before I ever heard of foxconn or whatever they're called,

So is it fair to say you don't give a sh1t about the conditions of the people who make these products and you simply want to have a go at apple?

smash · 27-01-2012 05:15PM

Ghandee wrote: »

(paging all iPhone users) :pac:

You use a pager but you slag iPhone users... :eek:

cloptrop · 27-01-2012 05:16PM

minidazzler wrote: »

So is it fair to say you don't give a sh1t about the conditions of the people who make these products and you simply want to have a go at apple?

I have not been educated on the conditions of these workers.

Discostuy · 27-01-2012 05:17PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

What crap?

Is there anything wrong with comparing like-to-like? It doesn't make any sense to compare a laptop that starts at €599 like the XPS 15 to a Macbook Pro 15 that starts at €1830.

It works both ways in fairness, which is why these debates never end.
I have mates who slag me about spending €X amount on an Apple laptop, saying I could get a Dell or other brand that does the same job for half the price.

In truth, if you were to match like for like - a laptop built with similar parts, similar build quality, OS included etc...they usually come in at a very similar price.

And I have found (as someone who uses both Mac and Windows machines daily) the stability and user friendly-ness of Mac is far better than any Windows based PC i've used.

minidazzler · 27-01-2012 05:22PM

cloptrop wrote: »

minidazzler wrote: »

So is it fair to say you don't give a sh1t about the conditions of the people who make these products and you simply want to have a go at apple?

I have not been educated on the conditions of these workers.

Then what's this thread about?

cloptrop · 27-01-2012 05:23PM

Discostuy wrote: »

It works both ways in fairness, which is why these debates never end.
I have mates who slag me about spending €X amount on an Apple laptop, saying I could get a Dell or other brand that does the same job for half the price.

In truth, if you were to match like for like - a laptop built with similar parts, similar build quality, OS included etc...they usually come in at a very similar price.

And I have found (as someone who uses both Mac and Windows machines daily) the stability and user friendly-ness of Mac is far better than any Windows based PC i've used.

So that means that I shouldnt buy apple because of workers conditions?
I am finding it hard to see how this relates to thee thread. You may as well have posted

Cows like grass but I like chicken

Go start yer own thread to talk about macbooks shortcomings.

partyatmygaff · 27-01-2012 05:25PM

OSI wrote: »

We had pages of this in another thread and it's not relevant to this thread.

But as you insist, the Dell in question was a maxed out Dell XPS M1710, with a Core 2 Duo T7600G, a Geforce 7950GTX and 4GB RAM. The thing was ridiculously powerful and eclipsed almost every other laptop out there for raw power. But it still didn't compare to the everyday usability of the 13" Macbook Pro that I bought a year later with a Core 2 Duo P7350, 9400M and 4GB RAM.

Just because a laptop is well-specced and expensive after upgrades doesn't mean it compares to the Macbook Pro. Back in the days of the XPS M1710 and Windows Vista things were different. Back then OS X had a real advantage over Windows Vista (But not really XP as far as i'm concerned).

Nowadays however things have changed. Windows 7 does not need excessive amounts of RAM to run properly. Back then, buying a Macbook Pro 13/15 instead of a high end Windows laptop may have made sense. In 2012 however, spending €2000+ on a Macbook Pro when you can get a vastly superior (In almost every single way) laptop such as the M4600 just doesn't make any sense.

Yakult · 27-01-2012 05:25PM

I like oranges.

Discostuy · 27-01-2012 05:40PM

cloptrop wrote: »

So that means that I shouldnt buy apple because of workers conditions?
I am finding it hard to see how this relates to thee thread. You may as well have posted

Fair enough...didn't mean to derail your thread.

I'll still buy their products, along with Samsung and Co regardless of what people say about the conditions of Foxconn.

I don't believe these workers are being held at gun point to work?. They opt to work in the factories to earn a wage, which offers them choices to improve their own living standards. If they weren't working in Foxconn, they'd be working in some other factory making Nike runners or Kenwood pots and pans...for probably less wages and in worse conditions.

The conditions could be improved, but its not up to Apple to throw money at them.
As someone else mentioned in the thread, its an unfair comparison to compare their lifestyle/working conditions to ours and to try and pick out whats fair/unfair as they are two completely different animals.

the_syco · 27-01-2012 05:40PM

OSI wrote: »

Suicide levels within Foxconn are on par with most regions in China. People in China are queuing up around the clock to work for Foxconn.

Agreed. As one Chinaman once said: "It's dull and grey in there, but less dull and gray than working in the rice paddies. Also we get paid more."

=-=

But yes, I do lol at the tree huggers that protest at lots of things but yet benefit hugely from slave labour...

tricky D · 27-01-2012 05:46PM

Pfft, mistreatment of workers in China is small beer compared to the numbers of people dying each year so that we can get coltan to work so many of our lovely shiny consumer electronic gagdets. But we like our gagdets so don't mention the war.

ejmaztec · 27-01-2012 05:52PM

Bambi wrote: »

lol you paid 2.5k for a dell laptop? Throw the ould model and specs up there :pac:

It was €500 for the laptop and €2000 for the fire-damage when it went up in flames.

Auvers · 27-01-2012 05:54PM

Discostuy wrote: »

In truth, if you were to match like for like - a laptop built with similar parts, similar build quality, OS included etc...they usually come in at a very similar price.

that is so far off the mark its not even funny

Gophur · 27-01-2012 06:04PM

DELL, ACER, LENOVA (for computers) , Samsung, HTC, NOKIA etc would all charge Apple prices if they could get people to pay them.

Maybe they will be able to charge such prices if/when they make a product as good as an Apple one?

Maximus Alexander · 27-01-2012 06:07PM

I don't buy Apple products, but not because of any high minded morals. I just prefer to get similar or better products for cheaper.

Also, I still don't understand the purpose of the iPad (or any tablet). I already have a plethora of devices that do all the same things and more.

tonsiltickler · 27-01-2012 06:13PM

I recently bought a macbook pro 13". I had a 27% discount at the time making it somewhat affordable (that said an asus with the same spec was still €200 cheaper). OS X lion is the vista of OS X releases. If I had the choice again, I think I'd build a hackintosh.

I think people focus on Apple/Foxconn rather than on other brands made in the same factories beacuse of the ginormous profits that apple make.

Yakult · 27-01-2012 06:23PM

tonsiltickler wrote: »

If I had the choice again, I think I'd build a hackintosh.

I'd do the same. My brother is building one atm so I'm gonna see how it goes and maybe do the same this year.
Imo you cant fault the iPad/iPhone. Both brilliant pieces of kit. I just prefer IOS to android in terms of mobile/tablet technology.

partyatmygaff · 27-01-2012 06:25PM

Discostuy wrote: »

It works both ways in fairness, which is why these debates never end.
I have mates who slag me about spending €X amount on an Apple laptop, saying I could get a Dell or other brand that does the same job for half the price.

In truth, if you were to match like for like - a laptop built with similar parts, similar build quality, OS included etc...they usually come in at a very similar price.

And I have found (as someone who uses both Mac and Windows machines daily) the stability and user friendly-ness of Mac is far better than any Windows based PC i've used.

Hmm... they're not far off in terms of cost but in terms of quality and performance Windows laptops are still better value even when it comes to the very top end.

Take the base spec of the mid-range M6600 and a MBP 17 with upgrades to bring it up to the base spec of the M6600.

Laptop | Apple MBP 17 | Dell M6600
CPU | i7-2740QM | i7-2740QM
RAM | 8GB DDR 3 | 8GB DDR3
HDD | 750GB 7200RPM | 750GB 7200RPM
GPU | ATI HD6770M 1GB | Nvidia Quadro 3000M 2GB
LCD | 1920 x 1200 | 1920 x 1080
Warranty | 3 years collect and return | 3 years next business day onsite
Price | €3193 (Inc. Vat) | €2557 (Inc. Vat)

Considering the Dell is cheaper, has a more powerful GPU, is better built with better support and isn't even nearly maxed out (Whereas the MBP 17 I quoted is more or less top spec) i'd have to say the Dell is the better laptop here. If you used that €636 change to upgrade to say 16GB RAM, a better CPU, a Quadro 4000M, an SSD or an IPS screen it would annilhate the MBP 17.

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