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No Sh!t Sherlock! Anonymous vs Irish Government. Get Popcorn.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 OpTiMuS Pr1mE


    Yeah they are but I put them up for people to put them to good use.

    Theres a few home/mobile numbers


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    In fairness, Facebook has a lot more bandwidth than the irish government sites. I would expect Facebook to hold up better. Anonymous did take down the doj site too.

    http://xkcd.com/932/ :p


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion



    So true. It doesn't help when the media builds it up. Remember that guy recently who was called a hacker by Sky News. All he had down was set up a website with links to TV shows. Stupid sky news.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    We did not elect the government for this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    whether you agree with them or not, a group who the government use bullying tactics to force their own agenda us to repay the debts of others.

    fyp.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    In case anyone missed it, from gavmcg92 on after hours thread:
    Ireland and EU to sign controversial ACTA treaty tomorrow

    IRELAND IS TO sign a controversial international agreement tomorrow which promises a major international crackdown on the trade of counterfeit goods – and illegal internet filesharing.

    Irish representatives will sign the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) at a ceremony tomorrow – as will representatives from each of the other 26 European Union member states, and the EU itself.

    Once the agreement is signed, it can then be formally ratified and adopted into law once it has been cleared by the European Parliament. The treaty will be signed tomorrow in Tokyo by Ireland’s ambassador to Japan, John Neary.

    Although the treaty is primarily aimed at stopping the trade of counterfeited physical goods, it contains provisions which demand that participating countries offer equal protection and enforcement procedures against digital copyright infringement.

    The deal – which is unrelated to the controversial ‘Irish SOPA’ legislation – has been criticised by many, including the digital rights group Electronic Frontier Foundation, for its potential impact on privacy and freedom of expression.

    Specifically, it sees member states agree to allow Internet Service Providers (ISPs) disclose a user’s information to a copyright holder, where the latter has a sufficient claim that the user is breaching their copyright.
    No circumventing

    It also says member states will have to offer “effective legal remedies” to ensure that anti-theft measures – such as the Digital Rights Management (DRM) protection on purchased music files – cannot be circumvented.

    The clause could potentially mean that Apple, for example, would have to disable its MP3 recording facility in iTunes – because it could be used to remove the DRM protections from a piece of music purchased through its iTunes store.

    Other critics of the treaty suggest that it will forbid the distribution of cheap generic drugs – because they would infringe the copyright of pharmaceutical companies whose research led to their discovery.

    A European Commission spokesman said ACTA would not create new intellectual property rights, but would merely serve to enforce existing ones – and would not lead to constant monitoring of internet traffic.

    Michele Neylon of Carlow-based internet hosting company Blacknight said the treaty could force internet hosts to deal directly with orders issued by copyright holders, instead of being able to ensure that such orders were handed down by a court.

    “If we’ve been given a court order, fine – there’s no discussion, a judge has made a decision – but that’s not what happens, you don’t get your day in court.”

    Neylon said it was a matter of “basic economics” that companies like his could not run up significant legal fees, ensuring that court procedures were followed, when those legal fees vastly exceeded the money it received to host sites in the first place.

    He added that the current Irish legal situation, where there is no formal definition of ‘fair use’, meant even the likes of personal blogs could be subject to takedown orders if they included a company’s logo without permission, for example.
    $200bn industry

    The agreement is aimed at clamping down on the trade of counterfeit consumer and electronic goods, which the OECD believes was worth some $200 billion in 2007 – the equivalent of around 2 per cent of all legal trade worldwide that year.

    All Irish government Departments will have to confirm that Ireland has the legal means to implement ACTA before it can be formally adopted.

    A government spokesperson said, however, that Ireland did not expect to have to amend its current legislation – believing that the provisions of the deal were already accounted for in Irish law.

    She added that negotiations on the deal had included representatives from the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation [i.e. Sean Sherlock] and members from Ireland’s permanent representation at the EU in Brussels.

    News of ACTA being ratified by Poland earlier this week drew the wrath of Anonymous and another group called Polish Underground, which attacked the websites of many government departments in protest at Poland’s signature of the treaty.

    The United States, Canada, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Singapore and Morocco – all of which took part in negotiating the treaty – signed up to ACTA in October of last year.

    The European Union and Switzerland said at the time that they would offer their support for the treaty and would sign it as soon as was practicable.

    Other interested countries can sign up to the deal before May 2013.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-and-eu-to-sign-controversial-acta-treaty-tomorrow-336764-Jan2012/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Also, Sean Sherlock released a statement:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/in-full-sean-sherlocks-full-briefing-note-on-copyright-protection-337367-Jan2012/

    TLDR: He is ignoring Irish peoples concerns and going ahead anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭MajesticDonkey


    Also, Sean Sherlock released a statement:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/in-full-sean-sherlocks-full-briefing-note-on-copyright-protection-337367-Jan2012/

    TLDR: He is ignoring Irish peoples concerns and going ahead anyway.
    What a dickhead he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭k.p.h


    Decryptor wrote: »
    What a dickhead he is.

    Dumbass, political career is over .. Anyone know how to get a Vote of no confidence on the table ..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭gouche


    So true. It doesn't help when the media builds it up. Remember that guy recently who was called a hacker by Sky News. All he had down was set up a website with links to TV shows. Stupid sky news.

    Not to mention this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Bullchomper


    hmmmm

    Maybe I should use those email addresses after all...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    DeVore wrote: »
    In case its passed you by, Anonymous declared war against the Irish Government after TD Sherlock commented on his SOPA plans in Ireland.

    And not a single fuck was given that day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And not a single fuck was given that day.
    Will you ever find happiness?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭JFlah


    WE ARE LEGION


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    My information (from Stephen Donnelly in the Dail) differs.

    The legislation will be paused pending full dail review with Tuesday not being the deadline. Thats breaking news and it needs to be confirmed but I will take Stephen at his word any day of the week.


    Boards was going to have a protest tomorrow (unbeknownst to anyone but the mods and admins, and the Dail this afternoon), but now we are having a meeting to discuss what we want to do.

    Stay tuned, things are in flux.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    DeVore wrote: »
    My information (from Stephen Donnelly in the Dail) differs.

    The legislation will be paused pending full dail review with Tuesday not being the deadline. Thats breaking news and it needs to be confirmed but I will take Stephen at his word any day of the week.


    Boards was going to have a protest tomorrow (unbeknownst to anyone but the mods and admins, and the Dail this afternoon), but now we are having a meeting to discuss what we want to do.

    Stay tuned, things are in flux.

    Thanks for keeping us updated.

    Glad to hear about the proposed protest as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    why keep it a secret though DeV? I'm sure there's plenty on here that would like to be a part of that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    why keep it a secret though DeV? I'm sure there's plenty on here that would like to be a part of that

    It's not a secret. He just told you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    It was decided we would consider direct action this evening at 6. Mostly because I've been in a dentists chair on and off all day... its the weirdest butterflies which cause the oddest hurricanes..


    Anyway, we're going to review things tomorrow but each of the progenitors/MD's of the group (Daft = Fallons, Boards = Me, Journal = editor, Adverys = Odhran) are writing open letters of protest.

    Boards does things well in months and years.... we move slowly because we move with consensus usually and that takes time and debate. We dont do instant response inside hours so well.

    For example, I felt if I'm going to "harness" (read: hijack) Boards for a political topic, I want to know that the mods and admins are behind me 100%. Its not *right* to use Boards as my personal political soapbox without them being informed and agreeing.
    So, when this blew up over the last few days, we had to start with the directors, then talk to the techs about the feasability issues, then the wording... working in concert with the other sites in the group for maximum effect, then running all this past the admins and mods because I believe in that.
    All the time fielding calls from certain TDs and other parties. That takes time and coordination.

    This isnt easy mate .... plus, shock is a powerful ally. Today I told Stephen of our intentions and he brought it to the dail debate and that strengthens his position and argument and they dont see it coming.

    So, now we are planning on getting things in place and seeing what transpires. They pause, we pause.

    That answer your question?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    well I get that it takes planning, and of course there's many you've to go through, like you explained, but wouldn't it be good to get posters involved too? I mean even if it was just mentioned this evening, that anybody that was able to make it, go along etc.


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  • Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    well I get that it takes planning, and of course there's many you've to go through, like you explained, but wouldn't it be good to get posters involved too? I mean even if it was just mentioned this evening, that anybody that was able to make it, go along etc.


    Imma chargin mah lazor!!!



    Just give us the go codes Dev...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    I smashed my laptop off a wall when I was on Sean Sherlock's page. I think I broke the site when I did.

    I am legion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Large scale war is a door you cant walk back out of. You get more with a soft word *and* a big gun.

    This is, imho, the first shot across the bow of a much much bigger war on generalised computing power. In the greater scheme of things, the fight isnt over copyright. But I digress.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    DeVore wrote: »
    Large scale war is a door you cant walk back out of. You get more with a soft word *and* a big gun.

    This is, imho, the first shot across the bow of a much much bigger war on generalised computing power. In the greater scheme of things, the fight isnt over copyright. But I digress.

    so, what you're saying is you think the higher powers by themselves would make more of a statement than having more of the general public? small group of important people is greater than large group of 'unimportant' people. (not that you're calling us unimportant, you get what I mean)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    DeVore wrote: »
    Large scale war is a door you cant walk back out of. You get more with a soft word *and* a big gun.

    This is, imho, the first shot across the bow of a much much bigger war on generalised computing power. In the greater scheme of things, the fight isnt over copyright. But I digress.
    Iprobably should have went to computer and lord of the rings talk college so. Id have been much better placed for promotion in this war if i had of known.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    so, what you're saying is you think the higher powers by themselves would make more of a statement than having more of the general public? small group of important people is greater than large group of 'unimportant' people. (not that you're calling us unimportant, you get what I mean)
    Dude.... Today they paid 1,250,000,000 euro of your money to Rothchilds, Paris Bas, Credit Swisse in direct contradiction to promises they were elected on.


    And you think they give a f*ck what you think?? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    DeVore wrote: »
    Dude.... Today they paid 1,250,000,000,000 euro of your money to Rothchilds, Paris Bas, Credit Swisse in direct contradiction to promises they were elected on.


    And you think they give a f*ck what you think?? :)

    ;_; I like to think they do.

    was just trying to clear up your reasoning :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭denballs


    DeVore wrote: »
    Large scale war is a door you cant walk back out of. You get more with a soft word *and* a big gun.

    This is, imho, the first shot across the bow of a much much bigger war on generalised computing power. In the greater scheme of things, the fight isnt over copyright. But I digress.

    The pen can be mightier then the sword if we can even get an official petition on boards ...with 10k thumbs up....you can print it and post it....or email it to those contacts previously posted....the internet is nobodies property....they can control sites...but not the internet.....

    This is the same as putting a chip in us that would make us go unconscious if we thought about commiting a crime...they can punish us if we steal from a shop but they cant walk us around make us pick up and item push us to the counter pull out our wallet and make us hand over our money......everyone deserves free will its a humanitarian right.

    If they push this ill fight till my last breath over it.....its not acceptable.....i wont allow it......nuff said


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    What would they have to do to just turn off the internet , never mind money reasons just physically what would one have to do to switch off the internet.
    If they did could annonymous make their own interent?If they did would their be any point, the fbi would hardly use annonymouses internet would they?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭denballs


    mass scale hunger strikes ...........civil war ..........overthrowing the government.........war with eu america.......i dont care what it takes.........yes im serious,.......ill die before i allow this bs........it might be illegal to even say that ,.....but its what i really believe should happen if they dont stop this


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