Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

gnfnrhead · 22-01-2012 10:22PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Missing out on Podolski Isn't anything us gunners should be worried about, ya he would improve our options be hardly a world class talent we need.

Maybe be im wrong but he always striked me as just an average player who do well infront of the camera's in a few German international games

Out of interest, who should we be going for? No Football Manager signings either, realistic ones.

amiable · 22-01-2012 10:40PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Out of interest, who should we be going for? No Football Manager signings either, realistic ones.

Podolski is nowhere near as good as RVP in my honest opinion.

Podolski is actually a little bit over rated IMO.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 10:44PM

amiable wrote: »

Podolski is nowhere near as good as RVP in my honest opinion.

Podolski is actually a little bit over rated IMO.

Yeh hes not as good as RVP but do you really think were going to sign someone who is as good to sit on the bench? Who would you like us to sign?

Podolski over rated your wrong imo

amiable · 22-01-2012 10:46PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Yeh hes not as good as RVP but do you really think were going to sign someone who is as good to sit on the bench? Who would you like us to sign?

Podolski over rated your wrong imo

Have you watched him much?

He's a very good player but I think Arsenal need players in other areas.

Why sign players for the bench when the first team needs attention?

tayto lover · 22-01-2012 10:48PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Out of interest, who should we be going for? No Football Manager signings either, realistic ones.

Does it matter ? Our crowd won't buy until we are struggling to put out any kind of team.
With Arsenal's Board its not about who is on the field, its more about how much money do we have in the bank.

gnfnrhead · 22-01-2012 10:49PM

amiable wrote: »

Podolski is nowhere near as good as RVP in my honest opinion.

Podolski is actually a little bit over rated IMO.

We play one striker. And, he's better than Chamakh, Park, Bendtner, Walcott and anyone else we have as a back up/potential partner for RVP.

I'll ask you also, realistically, who should we sign instead?

gnfnrhead · 22-01-2012 10:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Does it matter ? Our crowd won't buy until we are struggling to put out any kind of team.
With Arsenal's Board its not about who is on the field, its more about how much money do we have in the bank.

It's all in theroy Im talking. Not in practice. Aparently someone like Podolski isnt good enough, Im asking what kind of signing we should be making instead, a realistic one if possible.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 10:52PM

amiable wrote: »

Have you watched him much?

He's a very good player but I think Arsenal need players in other areas.

Why sign players for the bench when the first team needs attention?

Im not going to lie and say i watch him every week but what i have seen of him play for koln id take him in a second.

well he could possibly play in the first eleven on the left, plus god forbid Van Persie gets injured at the momment we would be screwed no one to score us goals at all.

This is why I like the of Podolski he could play left and if Van Persie were to get injured he could slot in up front.

Who would you like us to sign? Not being smart just curious as to who you would think would be a better fit, the likes of Hazard is never going to happen sadly.

amiable · 22-01-2012 10:53PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

We play one striker. And, he's better than Chamakh, Park, Bendtner, Walcott and anyone else we have as a back up/potential partner for RVP.

I'll ask you also, realistically, who should we sign instead?

Well Arsenal need a Left back before a substitute striker.
And if Podolski is really that good do you think he'll sign to sit on the bench?

Don't get me wrong Podolski is a very good player IMO but he's found his level at the moment.

Arsenal need more steel in midfield and if I was recruiting at Arsenal i'd look to someone like Yann M'Vila.
Very strong player but also very good on the ball.
He will be playing for a top club next season IMO.

amiable · 22-01-2012 10:55PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It's all in theroy Im talking. Not in practice. Aparently someone like Podolski isnt good enough, Im asking what kind of signing we should be making instead, a realistic one if possible.

I didn't say he wasn't good enough for Arsenal.
He definitely is but he's not what Arsenal need at the minute.

He's not as good as RVP so IMO Arsenal need to look at other positions first.

amiable · 22-01-2012 10:58PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Im not going to lie and say i watch him every week but what i have seen of him play for koln id take him in a second.

well he could possibly play in the first eleven on the left, plus god forbid Van Persie gets injured at the momment we would be screwed no one to score us goals at all.

This is why I like the of Podolski he could play left and if Van Persie were to get injured he could slot in up front.

Who would you like us to sign? Not being smart just curious as to who you would think would be a better fit, the likes of Hazard is never going to happen sadly.

I agree on Hazard. Arsenal needed to get him before the hype started over him.
He would be ideal though but it's not going to happen.

I've named M'Vila above and previously I've named Cissokho for left back.
Wenger tried to get him onloan but Lyon only wanted to sell.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 11:00PM

amiable wrote: »

Well Arsenal need a Left back before a substitute striker.
And if Podolski is really that good do you think he'll sign to sit on the bench?

Don't get me wrong Podolski is a very good player IMO but he's found his level at the moment.

Arsenal need more steel in midfield and if I was recruiting at Arsenal i'd look to someone like Yann M'Vila.
Very strong player but also very good on the ball.
He will be playing for a top club next season IMO.

Left back not going to happen unless we sign someone on loan not saying its right but the way Wenger and the board will view it is that wed then have 3 first team left back in the team.

Midfield is the last area we need to strenghten to be honest, were already crowded in that area and its probably the one area of the pitch im happy with our options when we have a fully fit squad.

Rosicky, Arteta, Benayoun, Wilshire, Coquelin, Ramsey, Frimpong and Song were sorted there.

Were we really need to strenghten is the wings its our worst position when we have a full strength eleven. Walcott and Arsahvin are two player im really growing to hate.

amiable · 22-01-2012 11:03PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Left back not going to happen unless we sign someone on loan not saying its right but the way Wenger and the board will view it is that wed then have 3 first team left back in the team.

Midfield is the last area we need to strenghten to be honest, were already crowded in that area and its probably the one area of the pitch im happy with our options when we have a fully fit squad.

Rosicky, Arteta, Benayoun, Wilshire, Coquelin, Ramsey, Frimpong and Song were sorted there.

Were we really need to strenghten is the wings its our worst position when we have a full strength eleven. Walcott and Arsahvin are two player im really growing to hate.

And not one of those midfielders is as good as M'Vila.
Games are won and lost in midfield and Arsenal need someone to dictate a game from there.
You asked me who Arsenal should sign and I gave answers.
Yet all some of yee can offer is arsenal pay big money for Podolski as a sub.

Left back is crucial for Arsenal to strengthen in.
Cissokho is miles better than Santos when he does return anyway

You mention the wings but Chamberlain was excellent there today and Podolski is best up front IMO

gnfnrhead · 22-01-2012 11:07PM

amiable wrote: »

Well Arsenal need a Left back before a substitute striker.
And if Podolski is really that good do you think he'll sign to sit on the bench?

Don't get me wrong Podolski is a very good player IMO but he's found his level at the moment.

Arsenal need more steel in midfield and if I was recruiting at Arsenal i'd look to someone like Yann M'Vila.
Very strong player but also very good on the ball.
He will be playing for a top club next season IMO.

If, God forbid, van Persie gets injured we'll be relying on Chamakh and Park for the goals. Henry too, but he's not here for long. Also, as has been said, when van Persie is playing, Podolski can play on the left which dumps Arshavin out of the team. Another bonus.

We have at least four players who can play at Left Back to at least a reasonible standard. We're overloaded in midfield right now. A striker is what we need at this point in time. No point in signing a player for a position just for the hell of it. Someone who knows what the goal looks like should be our top priority.

In the summer, I'd have no problem signing someone like Cissokho and sending Gibbs out on loan to prove his fitness for a season. By that point, if he does so, Santos will be pushing 30 which is usually near the end of your Arsenal career. Santos could also play up higher on the left if absolutly needed.

Someone like M'Vila I dont think would be interested in us at this stage. It would have to be a very convincing offer as he likely knows he is going to be in demand in the near future.

amiable wrote: »

I didn't say he wasn't good enough for Arsenal.
He definitely is but he's not what Arsenal need at the minute.

He's not as good as RVP so IMO Arsenal need to look at other positions first.

That wasnt in reference to you, that was to another post that said he was only average and not needed at Arsenal.

van Persie is one of the best strikers in the world. Not many are as good as him, and even less that we would have a shot at getting, hence the question of who should we be looking to sign (as a striker) instead of Podolski?

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 11:08PM

amiable wrote: »

And not one of those midfielders is as good as M'Vila.
Games are won and lost in midfield and Arsenal need someone to dictate a game from there.
You asked me who Arsenal should sign and I gave answers.
Yet all some of yee can offer is arsenal pay big money for Podolski as a sub.

Left back is crucial for Arsenal to strengthen in.
Cissokho is miles better than Santos when he does return anyway

I think well just have to agree to disagree on the midfield front I believe we have a strong central midfield and the wings should be our priority.

Cissokho I havent seen much of but have heard great things but its not going to happen, I also thought Santos was doing well up until he got injured weve missed his attacking flare since his injury and his defending was improving.

amiable · 22-01-2012 11:13PM

That's the thing. Arsenal have a quite a few players that can play positions at a decent level.

Arsenal need an enforcer in the middle like M'Vila or Moussa Sissoko.

I can't see why these players wouldn't play for Arsenal if Arsenal paid the money.
Wenger is a big attraction in france still and I could see him developing them in to world beaters.

amiable · 22-01-2012 11:13PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

I think well just have to agree to disagree on the midfield front I believe we have a strong central midfield and the wings should be our priority.

Cissokho I havent seen much of but have heard great things but its not going to happen, I also thought Santos was doing well up until he got injured weve missed his attacking flare since his injury and his defending was improving.

Who in the Arsenal midfield is as good as M'Vila?

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 11:16PM

amiable wrote: »

Who in the Arsenal midfield is as good as M'Vila?

Wilshire hes better than him.

amiable · 22-01-2012 11:18PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Wilshire hes better than him.

Wilshire is top notch but a different type of midfielder.

All good ball playing midfielders like Wilshire need an enforcer next to them to get the absolute best out of them.

I love watching Wilshire. He has the world at his feet.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 11:22PM

amiable wrote: »

Wilshire is top notch but a different type of midfielder.

All good ball playing midfielders like Wilshire need an enforcer next to them to get the absolute best out of them.

I love watching Wilshire. He has the world at his feet.

Well at least we can agree on that much

, I do honestly belive Wilshire has an amazing career ahead of him and will be a world beater i just hope it happens at Arsenal.

I do hear what your saying and I know our enforcers Song can great at times he either brilliant or terrible, the last few games its sadly been terrible.

Coquelin and Frimpong have bucketloads of potential but still really untested and inexperienced at the top level.

So I do agree with you to a certain extent but for me back up for Van Persie/winger really needs to be our number one target. I dont want Arshavin or Walcott anywhere near the team at all and if Van Persie gets injured were gone really.

amiable · 22-01-2012 11:26PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Well at least we can agree on that much , I do honestly belive Wilshire has an amazing career ahead of him and will be a world beater i just hope it happens at Arsenal.

I do hear what your saying and I know our enforcers Song can great at times he either brilliant or terrible, the last few games its sadly been terrible.

Coquelin and Frimpong have bucketloads of potential but still really untested and inexperienced at the top level.

So I do agree with you to a certain extent but for me back up for Van Persie/winger really needs to be our number one target. I dont want Arshavin or Walcott anywhere near the team at all and if Van Persie gets injured were gone really.

So signing a sub would help arsenal win the league from the position they are in now?

While I'm on it I think Arsenal need a centreback to play along side Vermaelen.
Vermaelen is a beast of a player and he needs the defence built around him.
Mertesacker isn't good enough IMO.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 11:27PM

The one bright note today, really hope from now on we see more and more of the Ox he could really get Arsenal firing.

Marty McFly · 22-01-2012 11:29PM

amiable wrote: »

So signing a sub would help arsenal win the league from the position they are in now?

While I'm on it I think Arsenal need a centreback to play along side Vermaelen.
Vermaelen is a beast of a player and he needs the defence built around him.
Mertesacker isn't good enough IMO.

Well were not going to win the league.

Nope I said Podolski because as has been pointed out he could play on the left then if Van Persie got injured he could move into the central role.

A centreback

Kos has been outstanding this year.

Gringo180 · 22-01-2012 11:35PM

What has happened to The Arsenal of old, a team of leaders who bust there guts and put everything on the line for the jersey, The Arsenal i grew to love for there battling qualities and never say die attitude, players like Adams, Bould, Winterburn, Keown, Parlour, Grimandi, Platt, Edu, Gilberto, Campbell, Vieira, Petit, who have been replaced by players who could not lace there boots, its sickening to watch how bad weve become, and not only how bad but how easy we roll over, were gutless and its eveything that this Great club is not known for. Massive changes are needed

Squall19 · 22-01-2012 11:41PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

The one bright note today, really hope from now on we see more and more of the Ox he could really get Arsenal firing.

He's what I thought Theo was to become, looks a class act.Ox is showing him up.

Strong, fast, great feet, list goes on and on.

Anyone notice how hard he goes in the tackle:eek:

Ox he made a right fool of Evra on the right , he played left and bossed Rafael.

Theo has been here what 6 years.

Played and trained with the likes of Thierry Henry, Alex Hleb, Samir Nasri, Tomas Rosicky, and Cesc Fabregas, yet is still hasn't got an ounce of close control, passing ability, nor vision?

Truly abysmal player.

Giving my support to OX now.

tayto lover · 22-01-2012 11:43PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

What has happened to The Arsenal of old, a team of leaders who bust there guts and put everything on the line for the jersey, The Arsenal i grew to love for there battling qualities and never say die attitude, players like Adams, Bould, Winterburn, Keown, Parlour, Grimandi, Platt, Edu, Gilberto, Campbell, Vieira, Petit, who have been replaced by players who could not lace there boots, its sickening to watch how bad weve become, and not only how bad but how easy we roll over, were gutless and its eveything that this Great club is not known for. Massive changes are needed

Have been saying that for years. When we need men we get mice. However the fans are now fed up of Wenger's blindness and started showing it today. Many not going to renew season tickets next season I am hearing. Very expensive for watching dross.

EdenHazard · 22-01-2012 11:52PM

that substitution defines arsene wenger in 2012.

Marty McFly · 23-01-2012 12:12AM

Wellington Silva meant to have a had great debut for Alcoyano, I know its not exactly top level but heres hoping hes another player who can make the step up.

Sútalún · 23-01-2012 12:14AM

Safe to say that was another depressing day. Most depressing of all was Van Persie's reaction to Ox going off, he really showed what all Arsenal fans were feeling.. Utter dismay at Wenger's decision. I love Wenger, and all he has done for the club and it would be tearing at my heart strings to will him to go. But at this stage I think we all know something has to change. It's a combination of changes at coaching, boardroom and playing staff level. But the right combination of changes that will result in a proper Arsenal team is anyone's guess.

These talks of players that aren't good enough, players we should buy etc.. are pointless. We need a team again. I mean players like Shesney, Jack, Frimpong, Van Persie to a certain extent are the players we need, players that have grown up with the club, and appreciate their opportunity when it's presented to them. If not them, then players like Verm, Koscielny, Sagna.. players that clearly show pride and commitment to the jersey they're wearing.

A combination of these players is what's required.. Add to them a manager who can motivate the team, and have a strong sense of tactical awareness. But there's no magic formula, unfortunately at the moment I think it's a waiting game to see if things can get any worse and force someones hand, be it Wenger's or the boards.

Royale with Cheese · 23-01-2012 12:52AM

I used to live in Cologne, watched Podolski a lot before he mad his breakthrough (he was well known within Germany, just not elsewhere until the World Cup in 2006).

He may be a little overrated. I haven't watched him much over the past few years but he was very hyped back in 2005 and he always struck me as a good, but not great player. Definitely get him if he's available for the right price but don't break the bank for him and don't expect him to replace van Persie.

That said I don't think anyone should replace van Persie. What the team needs is for the wide forwards to contribute some more fúcking goals. If Podolski was to play on the left and get 15 goals a season then it would be perfect.

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