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Occupy Galway Promoting Freeman Pseudo-law

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  • #32
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    eire.man wrote: »
    so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

    listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

    keep it up and violence is the only answer (i should point out that im only suggesting what will probably happen if peaceful protest is quashed by the state)

    Advocate violence or threaten people on here again and you're gone, permanently. It doesn't matter how you justify it. We will not tolerate any group talking about how people should be intimidated by them.


  • #33
    eire.man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    nesf wrote: »
    eire.man wrote: »
    so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

    listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

    keep it up and violence is the only answer (i should point out that im only suggesting what will probably happen if peaceful protest is quashed by the state)

    Advocate violence or threaten people on here again and you're gone, permanently. It doesn't matter how you justify it. We will not tolerate any group talking about how people should be intimidated by them.

    yes, i heard the warning the first time, it was worded a bit strong but you can't expect people to wait forever for real change, how many have been held truely accountable (court, prison etc.) so far for all that's already been fully reported about eh?


  • #34
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    eire.man wrote: »
    yes, i heard the warning the first time, it was worded a bit strong but you can't expect people to wait forever for real change, how many have been held truely accountable (court, prison etc.) so far for all that's already been fully reported about eh?

    A public warning was given because I wanted everyone to see it, not because I wanted to argue the point with you. Don't argue with me when I'm posting in bold please, if I want to discuss a point I'll use regular font (i.e. not post as a mod).


  • #35
    Inclusion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Inclusion


    c_man wrote: »
    In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

    I have been following an issue on the OG fb page re transparency on how public donations have been spent in the camp, and to my dismay have found the person questioning them on this and asking to simply post these 'accounts' online for all to see , has been blocked and thus censored!! Only the OG's comments are present now, but interestingly one of their number stated public donations went to subsidise camp representatives attending meetings in other camps , so imagine my surprise when I read on here in another thread a post by 'eireman' who says they know nothing about what the other camps plan or do??!! They demand transparency and accountability in our politicians but cannot practice this themselves.
    It is also common knowledge in this city that the tents are empty - on behalf of the people of Galway we do not appreciate Ms Sofia Borg being outright untruthful on the front page of the Advertiser last week maintaining '' .all the tents are occupied and we actually have too few tents for all the people that want to stay here'' - Ms Borg is a true politician - only 11 weeks in 'occupation' and already taking us for fools , I have made at least four attempts to stay there at night - would not stay alone out the back in the middle of all those vacant tents - I was involved and was at the camp many other times during the day - I still don't know what Sofia Borg looks like....hm she needs to realise that lowering their standards of truth has put them firmly on the same level as those they are protesting against.
    ''-what the fcuk are you on about?!? Cork and Dublin are over 100km away, how the fcuk are we supposed to know what exactly they're doing??''- a quote from eireman from Galway City thread
    I respectfully request publication of their accounts ONLINE on their fb page for all to see.
    Demanding that I or anyone else go into the camp to see these accounts is not good enough. Taking into account the attitude of their members I value my life too much to go in there in person. Intimidation is not a good promotion tool . The OG have been advocating use of internet and online methods of governance - then again I ask OG to practice what you preach (and you preach so vehemently) and publish your accounts online.


  • #36
    eire.man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    nesf wrote: »
    eire.man wrote: »
    yes, i heard the warning the first time, it was worded a bit strong but you can't expect people to wait forever for real change, how many have been held truely accountable (court, prison etc.) so far for all that's already been fully reported about eh?

    A public warning was given because I wanted everyone to see it, not because I wanted to argue the point with you. Don't argue with me when I'm posting in bold please, if I want to discuss a point I'll use regular font (i.e. not post as a mod).

    ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    *runs off to change boxers as I've just pissed myself a little


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  • #37
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    eire.man wrote: »
    ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    *runs off to change boxers as I've just pissed myself a little

    Said with respect, you do yourself no good service when it comes to honourable debate, that you revert to this type of mentality.


  • #38
    eire.man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Inclusion wrote: »
    c_man wrote: »
    In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

    I have been following an issue on the OG fb page re transparency on how public donations have been spent in the camp, and to my dismay have found the person questioning them on this and asking to simply post these 'accounts' online for all to see , has been blocked and thus censored!! Only the OG's comments are present now, but interestingly one of their number stated public donations went to subsidise camp representatives attending meetings in other camps , so imagine my surprise when I read on here in another thread a post by 'eireman' who says they know nothing about what the other camps plan or do??!! They demand transparency and accountability in our politicians but cannot practice this themselves.
    It is also common knowledge in this city that the tents are empty - on behalf of the people of Galway we do not appreciate Ms Sofia Borg being outright untruthful on the front page of the Advertiser last week maintaining '' .all the tents are occupied and we actually have too few tents for all the people that want to stay here'' - Ms Borg is a true politician - only 11 weeks in 'occupation' and already taking us for fools , I have made at least four attempts to stay there at night - would not stay alone out the back in the middle of all those vacant tents - I was involved and was at the camp many other times during the day - I still don't know what Sofia Borg looks like....hm she needs to realise that lowering their standards of truth has put them firmly on the same level as those they are protesting against.
    ''-what the fcuk are you on about?!? Cork and Dublin are over 100km away, how the fcuk are we supposed to know what exactly they're doing??''- a quote from eireman from Galway City thread
    I respectfully request publication of their accounts ONLINE on their fb page for all to see.
    Demanding that I or anyone else go into the camp to see these accounts is not good enough. Taking into account the attitude of their members I value my life too much to go in there in person. Intimidation is not a good promotion tool . The OG have been advocating use of internet and online methods of governance - then again I ask OG to practice what you preach (and you preach so vehemently) and publish your accounts online.

    there is no way someone is going to go posting up the receipts for everything purchased since begining the occupy, theres no business going on here, no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

    if you're that concerned then why dont you come down and handle the ledgers for us?!? If your attempts to stay at night were ever when i was on security then quite rightly i'd have told you to get to **** and come back in the morning, I've no time for anyone coming up and just looking to crash, not on my watch cos I'm not taking on liability for randomers safety at night.

    it is not a drop-in centre for people to crash in as a last resort, all the tents are not empty and if Sophia is doing such a bad job well then it wouldnt be too hard for you to do a better job then would it


  • #39
    eire.man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Biggins wrote: »
    eire.man wrote: »
    ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    *runs off to change boxers as I've just pissed myself a little

    Said with respect, you do yourself no good service when it comes to honourable debate, that you revert to this type of mentality.

    with respect biggins each and everytime I read the message I piss myself again, oh how I sinned by replying to a mod who typed in, in, in, in

















































    bold!!!


  • #40
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    eire.man wrote: »
    ...no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!
    So you're not in favour of transparency where financial dealings are concerned.

    Good to know.


  • #41
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    anddddddd

    You're done here eire.man. Permanently

    Cheers

    DrG


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  • #42
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    eire.man wrote: »
    with respect biggins each and everytime I read the message I piss myself again, oh how I sinned by replying to a mod who typed in, in, in, in

    bold!!!

    Maybe Feedback section might be a better place to address any issues you have concern over then?

    Found here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=82


  • #43
    WallyGUFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭WallyGUFC


    Biggins wrote: »
    Said with respect, you do yourself no good service when it comes to honourable debate, that you revert to this type of mentality.
    Typical of the rest of the Occupiers. Freedom of speech once it's their own drivel they're spouting. You complain about them and you get various swear words thrown at you. Pathetic really. Get them out of Eyre Square and Ireland ASAP!


  • #44
    Inclusion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Inclusion


    eire.man wrote: »
    there is no way someone is going to go posting up the receipts for everything purchased since begining the occupy, theres no business going on here, no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

    if you're that concerned then why dont you come down and handle the ledgers for us?!? If your attempts to stay at night were ever when i was on security then quite rightly i'd have told you to get to **** and come back in the morning, I've no time for anyone coming up and just looking to crash, not on my watch cos I'm not taking on liability for randomers safety at night.

    it is not a drop-in centre for people to crash in as a last resort, all the tents are not empty and if Sophia is doing such a bad job well then it wouldnt be too hard for you to do a better job then would it
    Just for the record - I'm no 'randomer' - I was there at OG camp during the day - handing out leaflets, chatting to passers-by - and offering my support in general, when I thought it was time for me to go bite the bullet and stay there at night I was amazed to find nobody else in ANY of the tents - I kept my counsel and decided to try on a few other occasions before I came to the conclusion that OG were a complete farce - that and my concerns regarding the donations of cash which were being spent without any accounting of where they went , and no sign whatsoever of anything positive or productive arising from these donations around the camp .
    OG's censorship of the other person on your fb page who was also enquiring about these monies serves to support my concerns.
    It occurs to me that Sophia Borg , one of the self-appointed leaders and spokesperson for the camp should back up her statements and actions re demanding an 'application letter' to join the camp. I am one of the 99%, I have reared a family in Galway, my own family have been in the pub trade in the county for four generations, and she want s an application from me to join in a protest which is in my own home town square , a protest which is bemoaning censorship , the 'elite', unfair distribution of wealth, and advocates power to the people, freedom of speech, the right to protest???
    OG is like a sketch from Monty Python ....


  • #45
    hippygran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭hippygran


    Inclusion wrote: »
    eire.man wrote: »
    there is no way someone is going to go posting up the receipts for everything purchased since begining the occupy, theres no business going on here, no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

    if you're that concerned then why dont you come down and handle the ledgers for us?!? If your attempts to stay at night were ever when i was on security then quite rightly i'd have told you to get to **** and come back in the morning, I've no time for anyone coming up and just looking to crash, not on my watch cos I'm not taking on liability for randomers safety at night.

    it is not a drop-in centre for people to crash in as a last resort, all the tents are not empty and if Sophia is doing such a bad job well then it wouldnt be too hard for you to do a better job then would it
    Just for the record - I'm no 'randomer' - I was there at OG camp during the day - handing out leaflets, chatting to passers-by - and offering my support in general, when I thought it was time for me to go bite the bullet and stay there at night I was amazed to find nobody else in ANY of the tents - I kept my counsel and decided to try on a few other occasions before I came to the conclusion that OG were a complete farce - that and my concerns regarding the donations of cash which were being spent without any accounting of where they went , and no sign whatsoever of anything positive or productive arising from these donations around the camp .
    OG's censorship of the other person on your fb page who was also enquiring about these monies serves to support my concerns.
    It occurs to me that Sophia Borg , one of the self-appointed leaders and spokesperson for the camp should back up her statements and actions re demanding an 'application letter' to join the camp. I am one of the 99%, I have reared a family in Galway, my own family have been in the pub trade in the county for four generations, and she want s an application from me to join in a protest which is in my own home town square , a protest which is bemoaning censorship , the 'elite', unfair distribution of wealth, and advocates power to the people, freedom of speech, the right to protest???
    OG is like a sketch from Monty Python ....

    That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.


  • #46
    irishdude11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭irishdude11


    hippygran wrote: »
    That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

    Lets see the books so. It is complete hypocrisy to be protesting against dodgy politicians and the elite when you yourselves wont open the books. You are actually worse than many politicians as alot of them these days publish their accounts online.

    By the way, I have been told that most of the Occupiers are your regular crusties who dont work and live off social welfare. So have I been given false information or is the Occupy movement really made up of people who are protesting against a system that is handing them out €180 a week because they couldnt be arsed to work?


  • #47
    hippygran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭hippygran


    irishdude11 wrote: »
    hippygran wrote: »
    That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

    Lets see the books so. It is complete hypocrisy to be protesting against dodgy politicians and the elite when you yourselves wont open the books. You are actually worse than many politicians as alot of them these days publish their accounts online.

    By the way, I have been told that most of the Occupiers are your regular crusties who dont work and live off social welfare. So have I been given false information or is the Occupy movement really made up of people who are protesting against a system that is handing them out €180 a week because they couldnt be arsed to work?
    You are welcome to see the books, just come to camp and ask. People who give us donations dont seem to worry about what we do with it, and I am not sure really what you think we do with money that is nefarious. It goes on milk, food, credit for the camp phone, art supplies, gas for the cooker and heater etc. It is all written down as I say. I am not sure how much you think we get, but it isnt huge amounts.
    What is the definition of a 'crusty'? I am a middle aged woman with grandchildren, I am clean and reasonably well dressed I think. Some of us have jobs, some dont. The people who stay overnight a lot mostly dont have jobs, one is retired and independent financially. I dont see what that has to do with anything though, I can think of 3 that were regular campers but got jobs so now only stay occasionally but still give their time to camp when they can. Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?


  • #48
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    hippygran wrote: »
    Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?

    They're not gonna find one sitting on their arses in Eyre Square, that's for sure.

    I saw signs for vacant positions in the Centra on Froster street (very close to the camp for non-Galway people).


  • #49
    Hello world
    Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭Hello world


    hippygran wrote: »
    You are welcome to see the books, just come to camp and ask. People who give us donations dont seem to worry about what we do with it, and I am not sure really what you think we do with money that is nefarious. It goes on milk, food, credit for the camp phone, art supplies, gas for the cooker and heater etc. It is all written down as I say. I am not sure how much you think we get, but it isnt huge amounts.
    What is the definition of a 'crusty'? I am a middle aged woman with grandchildren, I am clean and reasonably well dressed I think. Some of us have jobs, some dont. The people who stay overnight a lot mostly dont have jobs, one is retired and independent financially. I dont see what that has to do with anything though, I can think of 3 that were regular campers but got jobs so now only stay occasionally but still give their time to camp when they can. Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?

    This is the second time you have brought up that u have grandchildren. Congrats it's not like they let just anyone have kids.
    I think the problem with the occupy people and work is that they are making no effort to find work. It's evident if they are sitting in a camp all day you are not out looking for jobs or trying to get into a course to make yourself more employable. I have nothing against people on the dole assuming they deserve it. People sitting in a camp all day don't deserve it.
    May I ask when did you last work?


  • #50
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    hippygran wrote: »
    You are welcome to see the books, just come to camp and ask. People who give us donations dont seem to worry about what we do with it, and I am not sure really what you think we do with money that is nefarious. It goes on milk, food, credit for the camp phone, art supplies, gas for the cooker and heater etc. It is all written down as I say. I am not sure how much you think we get, but it isnt huge amounts.
    What is the definition of a 'crusty'? I am a middle aged woman with grandchildren, I am clean and reasonably well dressed I think. Some of us have jobs, some dont. The people who stay overnight a lot mostly dont have jobs, one is retired and independent financially. I dont see what that has to do with anything though, I can think of 3 that were regular campers but got jobs so now only stay occasionally but still give their time to camp when they can. Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?
    Post 'em up here so... I'm sure we'd all love to see the bookkeeping abilities of OG.


  • #51
    Inclusion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭Inclusion


    hippygran wrote: »
    That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

    I think ,Hippygran, you should get off the scapegoat stool and allow for once the self appointed leaders to answer as you aren't answering anything...you would be well advised to study the the issues that you readily admit you don't understand ( as you have stated on Occupy Galway thread) as you have so much time on your hands spendiing all that time in Eyre Square and ask Ms Borg to explain her lies on the Advertiser and her insistence on an 'application' to join the camp.
    Your statement there is strangely conflicting with Eireman's who said we had no right to 'look at the books' and I have no intention of going anywhere near your 'camp' as I said in my post as your fellow 'Occupiers' attitude is quite intimidating to say the least.
    You all have been advocating online governance (repeating myself - only because you can't be bothered reading properly what you are responding to) so post your a/c's online please.
    And Hippygran , seriously, do you not recognise you are the fall guy in this instance????


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  • #52
    hippygran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭hippygran


    c_man wrote: »
    They're not gonna find one sitting on their arses in Eyre Square, that's for sure.

    I saw signs for vacant positions in the Centra on Froster street (very close to the camp for non-Galway people).

    I beg to differ, as I said in the post. People are more likely to find jobs when they are in the town centre and talking to people every day than they are sitting in their house..and people have.


  • #53
    hippygran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭hippygran


    Hello world wrote: »
    This is the second time you have brought up that u have grandchildren. Congrats it's not like they let just anyone have kids.
    I think the problem with the occupy people and work is that they are making no effort to find work. It's evident if they are sitting in a camp all day you are not out looking for jobs or trying to get into a course to make yourself more employable. I have nothing against people on the dole assuming they deserve it. People sitting in a camp all day don't deserve it.
    May I ask when did you last work?

    A question was asked about the people in the camp, which I was answering in a civil manner and making the point that there are all types of people. I find it offensive being referred to as a 'crusty' but I still answered it in a civilised manner!
    No, you may not ask me when I last worked, it is none of your business! I don't claim social welfare if that is what you are really asking, not that that is any of your business either.
    I stated in the post that camp members have found jobs since the camp started, some already had, and still have jobs.
    To be honest, I don't see why we need to justify ourselves to you...do you go up to people sitting around the square during the day, or sitting in Supermacs or walking down shop street and ask them why they aren't working? 14% of the population are not working..should they all contact you to explain what they are doing to find a job?


  • #54
    hippygran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭hippygran


    Inclusion wrote: »
    I think ,Hippygran, you should get off the scapegoat stool and allow for once the self appointed leaders to answer as you aren't answering anything...you would be well advised to study the the issues that you readily admit you don't understand ( as you have stated on Occupy Galway thread) as you have so much time on your hands spendiing all that time in Eyre Square and ask Ms Borg to explain her lies on the Advertiser and her insistence on an 'application' to join the camp.
    Your statement there is strangely conflicting with Eireman's who said we had no right to 'look at the books' and I have no intention of going anywhere near your 'camp' as I said in my post as your fellow 'Occupiers' attitude is quite intimidating to say the least.
    You all have been advocating online governance (repeating myself - only because you can't be bothered reading properly what you are responding to) so post your a/c's online please.
    And Hippygran , seriously, do you not recognise you are the fall guy in this instance????

    I was answering the points made with regards to the people in the camp, empty tents and accounting of funds..I was directly and honestly answering the points raised as far as I was concerned. Eire man is right, we don't have any obligation to show the books to yourself..we would have a moral obligation I suppose to show them to people who have donated. I, personally, would have no problem with showing anyone and everyone the books if they asked.
    I don't understand the scapegoat reference. I have attempted to answer the accusations levelled at the camp as honestly as I can but you are right, I am wasting my time. As I have stated, the accounts have been hand written since the camp began, posting our accounts online would involve someone taking the time to type them all up, scan the receipts etc etc..and I really don't feel that we have any obligation to do that just to please someone like yourself...or have you donated money to us that you wish to see accounted for? Just tell me the date that you donated and I will see if we can get that days page scanned for you.


  • #55
    Spacedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Spacedog


    Fair play to you hippygran,

    Don't waste your time with these disrespectful parents house dwelling virgins. If they feel so passionately about their opinions they can come and ask you guys in person. Keep up the good fight and don't let armchair warriors drag you down to their level.

    How is it going there? What kind of response are you getting over there from the general public?


  • #56
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    hippygran wrote: »
    I don't claim social welfare if that is what you are really asking, not that that is any of your business either.
    I think, if you're an Occupy member, then we have a right to know if you are claiming the SW. That is, you say EU/IMF out, burn the bondholders, etc... yet provide no alternative to the country's funding dilemma.
    I stated in the post that camp members have found jobs since the camp started, some already had, and still have jobs.
    To be honest, I don't see why we need to justify ourselves to you...do you go up to people sitting around the square during the day, or sitting in Supermacs or walking down shop street and ask them why they aren't working? 14% of the population are not working..should they all contact you to explain what they are doing to find a job?
    All SW people should have to report weekly what they have done to find a job.

    Furthermore, occupy are putting themselves in the light by participating - I think the public has a right to know the level of people that are genuine.
    hippygran wrote: »
    I was answering the points made with regards to the people in the camp, empty tents and accounting of funds..I was directly and honestly answering the points raised as far as I was concerned. Eire man is right, we don't have any obligation to show the books to yourself..we would have a moral obligation I suppose to show them to people who have donated. I, personally, would have no problem with showing anyone and everyone the books if they asked.
    No, Occupy calls for transparency and openness... hiding your books or only showing them to people who donate is not a good start.
    I'll send €1 to OG, send me the address. Now send me your books.
    As I have stated, the accounts have been hand written since the camp began, posting our accounts online would involve someone taking the time to type them all up, scan the receipts etc etc..and I really don't feel that we have any obligation to do that just to please someone like yourself...or have you donated money to us that you wish to see accounted for? Just tell me the date that you donated and I will see if we can get that days page scanned for you.
    Scan them.


  • #57
    hippygran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭hippygran


    Spacedog wrote: »
    Fair play to you hippygran,

    Don't waste your time with these disrespectful parents house dwelling virgins. If they feel so passionately about their opinions they can come and ask you guys in person. Keep up the good fight and don't let armchair warriors drag you down to their level.


    How is it going there? What kind of response are you getting over there from the general public?

    Thankyou. You are right of course but I find it hard to deal with such unwarranted contempt. I think I should just keep off boards altogether.
    The public response is great. I spend most of my time there talking to the public and people are very supportive. In the time we have been there I have had maybe half a dozen negative responses and even they have mostly been along the lines of 'i support what you are doing but you won't get anywhere'. We have collected over 2000 signatures of support, many from local people. Maybe there are many against us, as the posters on here have suggested, but they certainly dont come and tell us to our faces.


  • #58
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    hippygran wrote: »
    Thankyou. You are right of course but I find it hard to deal with such unwarranted contempt. I think I should just keep off boards altogether.
    The public response is great. I spend most of my time there talking to the public and people are very supportive. In the time we have been there I have had maybe half a dozen negative responses and even they have mostly been along the lines of 'i support what you are doing but you won't get anywhere'. We have collected over 2000 signatures of support, many from local people. Maybe there are many against us, as the posters on here have suggested, but they certainly dont come and tell us to our faces.
    Can you, maybe, tell us what the goals of Occupy Galway are? You'd be the first occupier to do it. (not holding my breath)


  • #59
    Spacedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Spacedog


    hippygran wrote: »
    Thankyou. You are right of course but I find it hard to deal with such unwarranted contempt. I think I should just keep off boards altogether.
    The public response is great. I spend most of my time there talking to the public and people are very supportive. In the time we have been there I have had maybe half a dozen negative responses and even they have mostly been along the lines of 'i support what you are doing but you won't get anywhere'. We have collected over 2000 signatures of support, many from local people. Maybe there are many against us, as the posters on here have suggested, but they certainly dont come and tell us to our faces.

    Of course they don't have the courage to say it to your faces, here on boards.ie, many people are cowardly and hide behind perceived anonymity, you will find many people with staunch outspoken opinions, sexism and racism that you would never hear them say in normal conversation. Even here on politics several moderators have admitted to being members of or affiliated with established political parties.

    FreudianSlippers there for example, is welcome to take time to pass by with a digital camera and audit your expenses of milk and gas. but he demands you to work for him for free, scanning books like you're his secretary or something.

    Meanwhile for my previous post, I get threatened with with a ban from a site admin for 'not keeping the peace'.

    hippygran, you are a true, kind hearted, honest lady, and those here don't deserve the pleasure of your company. Keep up the fight and if I'm ever in Galway I'll be sure to pay a visit and offer my support.


  • #60
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Spacedog wrote: »

    FreudianSlippers there for example, is welcome to take time to pass by with a digital camera and audit your expenses of milk and gas. but he demands you to work for him for free, scanning books like you're his secretary or something.

    FreudianSlippers has a day job and CBF'd going to Galway to babysit the occupiers. Occupy harps on about transparency but refuses to engage it in apparently.

    Also, can we get back on topic now? I'd like for the Occupy movement to stop derailing legitimate threads and getting them closed because they cannot answer any questions put to them.


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  • #61
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Eliot Rosewater wrote: »
    A man has been aquitted of being an accomplice to murder after a Judge ruled that individuals have no responsibility for their actions if those actions take place on the Internet.

    The case revolved around a man who published details of the location, and passcodes neccesary to gain access to that location, of the residence of an Algerian immigrant suspected of being involved in the cannabis trade. The message, which was was posted on the Facebook page of the English Defence League, was appended with the note "dis man desrves to get it". The Algerian man was found dead 24 hours later.

    Justice 20Cent, refusing to allow the case to go to trial, claimed that the note, being posted on a social networking site, could not possibly be deemed a factor in the murder. "Its a post on a facebook wall so what". After loud verbal protests from the gallery asking why this was so the judge retorted "Because its a post on a facebook page!"

    After restoring order he chastised the prosecutor for bringing the case to court. "The prosecutors of this nation have a responsibility not to waste the time of the judiciary. This whole thing is a bit of a non story really."

    The prosecution is expected to appeal the decision.

    (Reuters)

    No civilized court of law would permit a conviction of murder in those circumstances. Well, maybe Texas.


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