Occupy Galway Promoting Freeman Pseudo-law

FreudianSlippers

Background info: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

On their Facebook page, Occupy Galway #OccupyGalway, have shared a piece of very dangerous misinformation under the title "Its NOT legal......."

To their credit, this misinformation did not stem from Occupy Galway, but rather from a group calling themselves Call for a revolution in Ireland. As follows:

‎.SHARING ~~~ How you don’t have to legally pay Household Tax!!-
You wont get a bill because the charge is a Statute. People need to understand this: A Statute is a “legislated rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed.”(Blacks Law Dictionary 4th edition). Who are those it governs? Us, the public.
This household charge is a Statute, otherwise known as an Act of Government and only carries the force of law upon you if you consent to it which means that your legally obliged to pay if you consent or in other words go on to householdcharge.ie and register.
Your silence and inaction will also give the appearance of consent. If you do not consent, a Statute cannot affect you in any way whatsoever.
The courts know this and the last thing they will do is tell you. In fact they will hide this from you at every opportunity they can.
On the other hand, if you tell them, they will accept it because they know it is actually true.
According to the above definitions a statutory instrument is a contract. If you register for this “charge” you are consenting to this statuate ie: signing the contract. This is why the Government are ASKING the people to register and not just billing them instead.

This is highly dangerous for those that actually follow this advice and go blindly in quoting pseudo law. More interestingly it raises significant questions about the credibility of the Occupy Galway movement and, perhaps, the Occupy movement in itself. If they are willing to spread this type of information amongst their followers blindly... perhaps opening up hundreds or thousands of people to fines and potential litigation; what other information and ideas are based on fundamentally flawed principles?

Clearly in light of the "Why has ODS failed?" thread's closure, there are many tangents - but in my opinion this undermines the Irish movement as a whole. I've also seen in the Legal Discussion forum that Occupy Cork is opening a legal advice centre - hopefully this isn't the advice being given out.
Is there a legal advice centre in ODS?

oscarBravo

I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to me like they could be opening themselves up to legal action for negligent misstatement, if anyone acts on their crazy advice and ends up in hot water as a result.

AlekSmart

oscarBravo wrote: »

I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to me like they could be opening themselves up to legal action for negligent misstatement, if anyone acts on their crazy advice and ends up in hot water as a result.

Nah OscarBravo...there's a completely book dealin with the issue of responsibility.....no pictures though....:rolleyes:

Executive Steve

Yep it's utterly utterly depressing to see stuff like this gaining wider traction in the Occupy movement and in general oppositional circles (on the fringes of both the left and the right).


Just when what Ireland really really needs the most is a united opposition to austerity politics and their consequent reduction in growth all we have is a pack of eejits in hemp trousers banging on about the federal reserve and the gnomes of Zurich and how we all need to go back to "common law" and how we need to "do away with all acts and statutes" because they've gained their entire knowledge of how the world works from Youtube videos.

Executive Steve

...and I'm saying the above as a balding man in his early 30's who wears his hair in dreadlocks and played at a fundraiser for the occupy Dublin people.

20Cent

Its a post on a facebook wall so what

"raises significant questions about the credibility of the Occupy Galway movement and, perhaps, the Occupy movement in itself."

Not really..........

FreudianSlippers

20Cent wrote: »

Its a post on a facebook wall so what

"raises significant questions about the credibility of the Occupy Galway movement and, perhaps, the Occupy movement in itself."

Not really..........

It's the occupy Galway Facebook wall and they are speeding this to their supporters.

How does that not raise serious questions?

20Cent

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

It's the occupy Galway Facebook wall and they are speeding this to their supporters.

How does that not raise serious questions?

Because its a post on a facebook page!!
Bit of a non story really.

Eliot Rosewater

A man has been aquitted of being an accomplice to murder after a Judge ruled that individuals have no responsibility for their actions if those actions take place on the Internet.

The case revolved around a man who published details of the location, and passcodes neccesary to gain access to that location, of the residence of an Algerian immigrant suspected of being involved in the cannabis trade. The message, which was was posted on the Facebook page of the English Defence League, was appended with the note "dis man desrves to get it". The Algerian man was found dead 24 hours later.

Justice 20Cent, refusing to allow the case to go to trial, claimed that the note, being posted on a social networking site, could not possibly be deemed a factor in the murder. "Its a post on a facebook wall so what". After loud verbal protests from the gallery asking why this was so the judge retorted "Because its a post on a facebook page!"

After restoring order he chastised the prosecutor for bringing the case to court. "The prosecutors of this nation have a responsibility not to waste the time of the judiciary. This whole thing is a bit of a non story really."

The prosecution is expected to appeal the decision.

(Reuters)

20Cent

Love how the freedom of speech brigade get up in arms over a post in facebook and want it banned or people arrested or something. Occupy outing the ringers day by day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9zkQcLi4Yo

Lockstep

I cringed when I saw it.

Apparently, you can avoid prosecution by any crime be merely saying you don't agree with it

Inclusion

20Cent wrote: »

Love how the freedom of speech brigade get up in arms over a post in facebook and want it banned or people arrested or something. Occupy outing the ringers day by day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9zkQcLi4Yo

now we the 99% have to 'apply' to join OG ...according to front page of last week's Advertiser..wonder what the criteria are..keeping your mouth shut and not asking where public donations are being spent maybe number 1...number 2, don't expect anyone joining you if you wish to occupy and pitch your own tent as there is nobody else doing it , just one or two guys keeping an eye on the place at night, number 3 - don't come up with any innovative ideas as they will be shot down without any consideration ...number 4 -not aspire to peaceful demos with no intimidation whatsoever...whether we despise the current system or not, breaking into council chambers and abusing councillors therein as reported on GBfm and I was also present outside does not sit well with me....https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/189777_199448180089922_100000742236114_595953_6876543_n.jpg

eire.man

Inclusion wrote: »

20Cent wrote: »

Love how the freedom of speech brigade get up in arms over a post in facebook and want it banned or people arrested or something. Occupy outing the ringers day by day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9zkQcLi4Yo

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/189777_199448180089922_100000742236114_595953_6876543_n.jpg

you do know the true meaning of that poster you linked to??

it means if the "elite" or whoever try to stop us from protesting peacefully well then the only avenue left will be violence, i suspect you think it has a different meaning seeing as you put it at the end of your nonsensical rant just there.

also just because galway bay fm says something it doesnt mean its true, if they thought last week was intimidating just wait!!

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer (i should point out that im only suggesting what will probably happen if peaceful protest is quashed by the state)

it's either that or everyone goes home to watch eastenders!!

Jesus Nut

Ryan Tubridy is a Freeman of Connemara and doesnt have to pay for parking and gets loads of stuff for free..Doesnt need a licence etc.

I often wonder how the whole Free man thing works?

c_man

20Cent wrote: »

Because its a post on a facebook page!!
Bit of a non story really.

In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

Inclusion

eire.man wrote: »

you do know the true meaning of that poster you linked to??

it means if the "elite" or whoever try to stop us from protesting peacefully well then the only avenue left will be violence, i suspect you think it has a different meaning seeing as you put it at the end of your nonsensical rant just there.

also just because galway bay fm says something it doesnt mean its true, if they thought last week was intimidating just wait!!

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer

The demo was not being impeded in any way by the 'elite' , OG introduced the element of violence by intimidatory actions, YOU are the ones preventing peaceful demonstations - YOU are the ones trying to make peaceful demonstration impossible thereby making violent demonstration inevitable .
And that language you have just used could be considered inciteful in my book. OG you do not represent me.

FreudianSlippers

20Cent wrote: »

Because its a post on a facebook page!!
Bit of a non story really.

Oh, I guess we should totally withdraw our 'no legal advice' policy on boards then.

Jesus Nut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15jiCBrg-I0

Attabear

eire.man wrote: »

you do know the true meaning of that poster you linked to??

it means if the "elite" or whoever try to stop us from protesting peacefully well then the only avenue left will be violence, i suspect you think it has a different meaning seeing as you put it at the end of your nonsensical rant just there.

also just because galway bay fm says something it doesnt mean its true, if they thought last week was intimidating just wait!!

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer

Yikes!

FreudianSlippers

Jesus Nut wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15jiCBrg-I0

Let me guess, they want to be central in the "Central World Bank"?

Jesus Nut

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Let me guess, they want to be central in the "Central World Bank"?

You guessed wrong.

BlaasForRafa

c_man wrote: »

In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

The Occupy Waterford crowd were the very same with their facebook page. They are all for freedom of speech....as long as it is their speech and not anyone elses. The Occupy Waterford movement...well if you could call a couple of dozen people fighting amongst themselves a movement....were thoroughly infiltrated by Socialist Workers Party types, it sounds like the Occupy Galway faction is pretty much the same from the look of things.

Jonny7

Are there any working examples of states, countries or groups effectively using this freeman method, either now or in recent history?

eire.man

Attabear wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

you do know the true meaning of that poster you linked to??

it means if the "elite" or whoever try to stop us from protesting peacefully well then the only avenue left will be violence, i suspect you think it has a different meaning seeing as you put it at the end of your nonsensical rant just there.

also just because galway bay fm says something it doesnt mean its true, if they thought last week was intimidating just wait!!

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer

Yikes!

look all i'm saying is if the needs/protests of the people are not heeded to then you can only expect the next step to be certain sections of society snapping and at that stage you may expect a mob to hit a street near you very soon after that,

the gardai will not be enough if the "elite" keep hacking away at us all and they keep the same ridiculous level of entitlement!

if we could piece all the known corrupt/dodgy dealing in one place then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation

if i acted like the system "elite" then I'd expect a quick dig to drive home the message I'm not going to get away with it, then we couod all move on in harmony, yet these people are totally unaccountable and some of us are even tripping over themselves to argue with the wrong people. If we were half as quick to jump down politicians throats then they'd be acting to our behalfs.

People b4 profit = a healthy/happy/non-violent society in my opinion

the way things are going I'll be correct in my predictions and thats a real shame, all they have to do is stop protecting their bull**** gains and wipe the slates clean, we're all ruined ages ago yet we can't shake the olde system!!

eire.man

Inclusion wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

you do know the true meaning of that poster you linked to??

it means if the "elite" or whoever try to stop us from protesting peacefully well then the only avenue left will be violence, i suspect you think it has a different meaning seeing as you put it at the end of your nonsensical rant just there.

also just because galway bay fm says something it doesnt mean its true, if they thought last week was intimidating just wait!!

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer

The demo was not being impeded in any way by the 'elite' , OG introduced the element of violence by intimidatory actions, YOU are the ones preventing peaceful demonstations - YOU are the ones trying to make peaceful demonstration impossible thereby making violent demonstration inevitable .
And that language you have just used could be considered inciteful in my book. OG you do not represent me.

were you there?

those large double dividing doors are only held closed on the inside by one small locking system, when someone leaned back against one side inside the doors opened slightly giving a few access to go inside, due to mic check of artical 45 of the constitution being held inside for the benefit of the local councillors we felt we had a right to lend of voices temporarily to the mic check and in doing so peacefully we were manhandled (fairly roughed up in a couple of instances) out of the chamber,

I myself had no intention of entering the "chamber" and instead a few of us tried to calm the whole situation as there was quite a bit of confusion for about 1/2 minutes max, after that the whole protest returned to its previous peaceful, but loud chanting state

it was fair sensationalised instantly in local new reports and then we sprang into action against the news outlets, who, in acknowledging the truth, adjusted their reports of what had happened.

Defiler Of The Coffin

Their facebook page is a mish-mash of articles and rebellious-sounding quotes. All that's missing is the youtube videos of Bob Marley. Given the poverty of the various Occupys demands so far I'm not surprised they are spouting this drivel.

eire.man

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

c_man wrote: »

In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

The Occupy Waterford crowd were the very same with their facebook page. They are all for freedom of speech....as long as it is their speech and not anyone elses. The Occupy Waterford movement...well if you could call a couple of dozen people fighting amongst themselves a movement....were thoroughly infiltrated by Socialist Workers Party types, it sounds like the Occupy Galway faction is pretty much the same from the look of things.

internal fighting is more a sign of stress/sleep deprivation etc in these camps most of the time, Limerick had to appeal through the internal network for some help from the other camps so they could have a couple of nights off,

I get through my day knowing with each passing day we get closer to things sorting themselves out one way or another soon, its a race between the euro collapsing in spite of throwing more 1/0's into online bailouts and the people snapping under ever more serious austerity, all the while the people nearest the top are living the motha funkin dream

hell ya!!

Lockstep

Out of interest eire.man, where do you think we can get the billions that we need to keep our economy going, even if we don't have the bank debt?

FreudianSlippers

Jonny7 wrote: »

Are there any working examples of states, countries or groups effectively using this freeman method, either now or in recent history?

Apparently their ideology stems from what is now referred to as "clause 61" of the Magna Carta:

The 1215 document contained a large section that is now called clause 61 (the original document was not actually divided into clauses). This section established a committee of 25 barons who could at any time meet and overrule the will of the King if he defied the provisions of the Charter, seizing his castles and possessions if it was considered necessary. This was based on a medieval legal practice known as distraint, but it was the first time it had been applied to a monarch.
Distrust between the two sides was overwhelming. What the barons really sought was the overthrow of the King; the demand for a charter was a "mere subterfuge". Clause 61 was a serious challenge to John's authority as a ruling monarch. He renounced it as soon as the barons left London; Pope Innocent III also annulled the "shameful and demeaning agreement, forced upon the King by violence and fear." He rejected any call for restraints on the King, saying it impaired John's dignity. He saw it as an affront to the Church's authority over the King and the 'papal territories' of England and Ireland, and he released John from his oath to obey it. The rebels knew that King John could never be restrained by Magna Carta and so they sought a new King.
England was plunged into a civil war, known as the First Barons' War. With the failure of Magna Carta to achieve peace or restrain John, the barons reverted to the more traditional type of rebellion by trying to replace the monarch they disliked with an alternative. In a measure of some desperation, despite the tenuousness of his claim and despite the fact that he was French, they offered the crown of England to Prince Louis of France.

Nevertheless, clause 61 was only in effect for three months, as King John later renounced it and Pope Innocent III released King John from his oath to obey it. This led to the First Barons' War[wp] between the king and his barons.
Freemen claim that clause 61 allows them to cease obeying the state. This sometimes involves sending an affidavit direct to the Queen declaring one's intent to become a freeman and removing their consent to be governed. Some freemen believe that the Queen represents the highest authority in the land as the sovereign, but that she derives her authority from the people. This then makes them sovereign, such that there is no higher authority then themselves.
The actual text of Magna Carta's clause 61 explicitly refers to the King and the Barons (25 of them being required to invoke the clause) — nowhere is there any mention of the people, free or otherwise; nor would there be, given the feudal system in place at the time. The phrase "Lawful Rebellion" appears nowhere in clause 61, being an invention of freeman mythology.
Freemen claim that the Magna Carta cannot be repealed, but this simply is not true. It was, in fact replaced by the Magna Carta of 1297, passed by Edward I in return for new taxes. It is this 1297 version (without any clause 61 or anything resembling it) which is now "in force", although by 1969, all but sections 1 (freedom of the church), 9 (freedom of the city of London) and 29 (right to due process) had been repealed or superseded.

RichieC

These freemen are funny though, one year of studying law then dropping out does strange things to a man.

oscarBravo

eire.man wrote: »

look all i'm saying is if the needs/protests of the people are not heeded to then you can only expect the next step to be certain sections of society snapping and at that stage you may expect a mob to hit a street near you very soon after that...

You can make all the excuses for violence you want, but if you believe violence is the answer, you haven't given the question enough thought.

nesf

eire.man wrote: »

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer (i should point out that im only suggesting what will probably happen if peaceful protest is quashed by the state)

Advocate violence or threaten people on here again and you're gone, permanently. It doesn't matter how you justify it. We will not tolerate any group talking about how people should be intimidated by them.

eire.man

nesf wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

so what if these councillors get a little intimidated, they should feel intimidated!! they should fear retribution from the people on the street if you try to fcuk us,

listen up Crowe and listen up all you crooked b4stards!!

keep it up and violence is the only answer (i should point out that im only suggesting what will probably happen if peaceful protest is quashed by the state)

Advocate violence or threaten people on here again and you're gone, permanently. It doesn't matter how you justify it. We will not tolerate any group talking about how people should be intimidated by them.

yes, i heard the warning the first time, it was worded a bit strong but you can't expect people to wait forever for real change, how many have been held truely accountable (court, prison etc.) so far for all that's already been fully reported about eh?

nesf

eire.man wrote: »

yes, i heard the warning the first time, it was worded a bit strong but you can't expect people to wait forever for real change, how many have been held truely accountable (court, prison etc.) so far for all that's already been fully reported about eh?

A public warning was given because I wanted everyone to see it, not because I wanted to argue the point with you. Don't argue with me when I'm posting in bold please, if I want to discuss a point I'll use regular font (i.e. not post as a mod).

Inclusion

c_man wrote: »

In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

I have been following an issue on the OG fb page re transparency on how public donations have been spent in the camp, and to my dismay have found the person questioning them on this and asking to simply post these 'accounts' online for all to see , has been blocked and thus censored!! Only the OG's comments are present now, but interestingly one of their number stated public donations went to subsidise camp representatives attending meetings in other camps , so imagine my surprise when I read on here in another thread a post by 'eireman' who says they know nothing about what the other camps plan or do??!! They demand transparency and accountability in our politicians but cannot practice this themselves.
It is also common knowledge in this city that the tents are empty - on behalf of the people of Galway we do not appreciate Ms Sofia Borg being outright untruthful on the front page of the Advertiser last week maintaining '' .all the tents are occupied and we actually have too few tents for all the people that want to stay here'' - Ms Borg is a true politician - only 11 weeks in 'occupation' and already taking us for fools , I have made at least four attempts to stay there at night - would not stay alone out the back in the middle of all those vacant tents - I was involved and was at the camp many other times during the day - I still don't know what Sofia Borg looks like....hm she needs to realise that lowering their standards of truth has put them firmly on the same level as those they are protesting against.
''-what the fcuk are you on about?!? Cork and Dublin are over 100km away, how the fcuk are we supposed to know what exactly they're doing??''- a quote from eireman from Galway City thread
I respectfully request publication of their accounts ONLINE on their fb page for all to see.
Demanding that I or anyone else go into the camp to see these accounts is not good enough. Taking into account the attitude of their members I value my life too much to go in there in person. Intimidation is not a good promotion tool . The OG have been advocating use of internet and online methods of governance - then again I ask OG to practice what you preach (and you preach so vehemently) and publish your accounts online.

eire.man

nesf wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

yes, i heard the warning the first time, it was worded a bit strong but you can't expect people to wait forever for real change, how many have been held truely accountable (court, prison etc.) so far for all that's already been fully reported about eh?

A public warning was given because I wanted everyone to see it, not because I wanted to argue the point with you. Don't argue with me when I'm posting in bold please, if I want to discuss a point I'll use regular font (i.e. not post as a mod).

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*runs off to change boxers as I've just pissed myself a little

Biggins

eire.man wrote: »

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*runs off to change boxers as I've just pissed myself a little

Said with respect, you do yourself no good service when it comes to honourable debate, that you revert to this type of mentality.

eire.man

Inclusion wrote: »

c_man wrote: »

In fairness, they've been very quick to censor any dissenting posts on their FB page in the past. Leaving this up seems to be a clear endorsement given past behaviour.

I have been following an issue on the OG fb page re transparency on how public donations have been spent in the camp, and to my dismay have found the person questioning them on this and asking to simply post these 'accounts' online for all to see , has been blocked and thus censored!! Only the OG's comments are present now, but interestingly one of their number stated public donations went to subsidise camp representatives attending meetings in other camps , so imagine my surprise when I read on here in another thread a post by 'eireman' who says they know nothing about what the other camps plan or do??!! They demand transparency and accountability in our politicians but cannot practice this themselves.
It is also common knowledge in this city that the tents are empty - on behalf of the people of Galway we do not appreciate Ms Sofia Borg being outright untruthful on the front page of the Advertiser last week maintaining '' .all the tents are occupied and we actually have too few tents for all the people that want to stay here'' - Ms Borg is a true politician - only 11 weeks in 'occupation' and already taking us for fools , I have made at least four attempts to stay there at night - would not stay alone out the back in the middle of all those vacant tents - I was involved and was at the camp many other times during the day - I still don't know what Sofia Borg looks like....hm she needs to realise that lowering their standards of truth has put them firmly on the same level as those they are protesting against.
''-what the fcuk are you on about?!? Cork and Dublin are over 100km away, how the fcuk are we supposed to know what exactly they're doing??''- a quote from eireman from Galway City thread
I respectfully request publication of their accounts ONLINE on their fb page for all to see.
Demanding that I or anyone else go into the camp to see these accounts is not good enough. Taking into account the attitude of their members I value my life too much to go in there in person. Intimidation is not a good promotion tool . The OG have been advocating use of internet and online methods of governance - then again I ask OG to practice what you preach (and you preach so vehemently) and publish your accounts online.

there is no way someone is going to go posting up the receipts for everything purchased since begining the occupy, theres no business going on here, no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

if you're that concerned then why dont you come down and handle the ledgers for us?!? If your attempts to stay at night were ever when i was on security then quite rightly i'd have told you to get to **** and come back in the morning, I've no time for anyone coming up and just looking to crash, not on my watch cos I'm not taking on liability for randomers safety at night.

it is not a drop-in centre for people to crash in as a last resort, all the tents are not empty and if Sophia is doing such a bad job well then it wouldnt be too hard for you to do a better job then would it

eire.man

Biggins wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*runs off to change boxers as I've just pissed myself a little

Said with respect, you do yourself no good service when it comes to honourable debate, that you revert to this type of mentality.

with respect biggins each and everytime I read the message I piss myself again, oh how I sinned by replying to a mod who typed in, in, in, in

















































bold!!!

oscarBravo

eire.man wrote: »

...no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

So you're not in favour of transparency where financial dealings are concerned.

Good to know.

Dr Galen

anddddddd

You're done here eire.man. Permanently

Cheers

DrG

Biggins

eire.man wrote: »

with respect biggins each and everytime I read the message I piss myself again, oh how I sinned by replying to a mod who typed in, in, in, in

bold!!!

Maybe Feedback section might be a better place to address any issues you have concern over then?

Found here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=82

WallyGUFC

Biggins wrote: »

Said with respect, you do yourself no good service when it comes to honourable debate, that you revert to this type of mentality.

Typical of the rest of the Occupiers. Freedom of speech once it's their own drivel they're spouting. You complain about them and you get various swear words thrown at you. Pathetic really. Get them out of Eyre Square and Ireland ASAP!

Inclusion

eire.man wrote: »

there is no way someone is going to go posting up the receipts for everything purchased since begining the occupy, theres no business going on here, no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

if you're that concerned then why dont you come down and handle the ledgers for us?!? If your attempts to stay at night were ever when i was on security then quite rightly i'd have told you to get to **** and come back in the morning, I've no time for anyone coming up and just looking to crash, not on my watch cos I'm not taking on liability for randomers safety at night.

it is not a drop-in centre for people to crash in as a last resort, all the tents are not empty and if Sophia is doing such a bad job well then it wouldnt be too hard for you to do a better job then would it

Just for the record - I'm no 'randomer' - I was there at OG camp during the day - handing out leaflets, chatting to passers-by - and offering my support in general, when I thought it was time for me to go bite the bullet and stay there at night I was amazed to find nobody else in ANY of the tents - I kept my counsel and decided to try on a few other occasions before I came to the conclusion that OG were a complete farce - that and my concerns regarding the donations of cash which were being spent without any accounting of where they went , and no sign whatsoever of anything positive or productive arising from these donations around the camp .
OG's censorship of the other person on your fb page who was also enquiring about these monies serves to support my concerns.
It occurs to me that Sophia Borg , one of the self-appointed leaders and spokesperson for the camp should back up her statements and actions re demanding an 'application letter' to join the camp. I am one of the 99%, I have reared a family in Galway, my own family have been in the pub trade in the county for four generations, and she want s an application from me to join in a protest which is in my own home town square , a protest which is bemoaning censorship , the 'elite', unfair distribution of wealth, and advocates power to the people, freedom of speech, the right to protest???
OG is like a sketch from Monty Python ....

hippygran

Inclusion wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

there is no way someone is going to go posting up the receipts for everything purchased since begining the occupy, theres no business going on here, no reason to be showing "books" to anyone!!

if you're that concerned then why dont you come down and handle the ledgers for us?!? If your attempts to stay at night were ever when i was on security then quite rightly i'd have told you to get to **** and come back in the morning, I've no time for anyone coming up and just looking to crash, not on my watch cos I'm not taking on liability for randomers safety at night.

it is not a drop-in centre for people to crash in as a last resort, all the tents are not empty and if Sophia is doing such a bad job well then it wouldnt be too hard for you to do a better job then would it

Just for the record - I'm no 'randomer' - I was there at OG camp during the day - handing out leaflets, chatting to passers-by - and offering my support in general, when I thought it was time for me to go bite the bullet and stay there at night I was amazed to find nobody else in ANY of the tents - I kept my counsel and decided to try on a few other occasions before I came to the conclusion that OG were a complete farce - that and my concerns regarding the donations of cash which were being spent without any accounting of where they went , and no sign whatsoever of anything positive or productive arising from these donations around the camp .
OG's censorship of the other person on your fb page who was also enquiring about these monies serves to support my concerns.
It occurs to me that Sophia Borg , one of the self-appointed leaders and spokesperson for the camp should back up her statements and actions re demanding an 'application letter' to join the camp. I am one of the 99%, I have reared a family in Galway, my own family have been in the pub trade in the county for four generations, and she want s an application from me to join in a protest which is in my own home town square , a protest which is bemoaning censorship , the 'elite', unfair distribution of wealth, and advocates power to the people, freedom of speech, the right to protest???
OG is like a sketch from Monty Python ....

That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

irishdude11

hippygran wrote: »

That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

Lets see the books so. It is complete hypocrisy to be protesting against dodgy politicians and the elite when you yourselves wont open the books. You are actually worse than many politicians as alot of them these days publish their accounts online.

By the way, I have been told that most of the Occupiers are your regular crusties who dont work and live off social welfare. So have I been given false information or is the Occupy movement really made up of people who are protesting against a system that is handing them out €180 a week because they couldnt be arsed to work?

hippygran

irishdude11 wrote: »

hippygran wrote: »

That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

Lets see the books so. It is complete hypocrisy to be protesting against dodgy politicians and the elite when you yourselves wont open the books. You are actually worse than many politicians as alot of them these days publish their accounts online.

By the way, I have been told that most of the Occupiers are your regular crusties who dont work and live off social welfare. So have I been given false information or is the Occupy movement really made up of people who are protesting against a system that is handing them out €180 a week because they couldnt be arsed to work?

You are welcome to see the books, just come to camp and ask. People who give us donations dont seem to worry about what we do with it, and I am not sure really what you think we do with money that is nefarious. It goes on milk, food, credit for the camp phone, art supplies, gas for the cooker and heater etc. It is all written down as I say. I am not sure how much you think we get, but it isnt huge amounts.
What is the definition of a 'crusty'? I am a middle aged woman with grandchildren, I am clean and reasonably well dressed I think. Some of us have jobs, some dont. The people who stay overnight a lot mostly dont have jobs, one is retired and independent financially. I dont see what that has to do with anything though, I can think of 3 that were regular campers but got jobs so now only stay occasionally but still give their time to camp when they can. Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?

c_man

hippygran wrote: »

Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?

They're not gonna find one sitting on their arses in Eyre Square, that's for sure.

I saw signs for vacant positions in the Centra on Froster street (very close to the camp for non-Galway people).

Hello world

hippygran wrote: »

You are welcome to see the books, just come to camp and ask. People who give us donations dont seem to worry about what we do with it, and I am not sure really what you think we do with money that is nefarious. It goes on milk, food, credit for the camp phone, art supplies, gas for the cooker and heater etc. It is all written down as I say. I am not sure how much you think we get, but it isnt huge amounts.
What is the definition of a 'crusty'? I am a middle aged woman with grandchildren, I am clean and reasonably well dressed I think. Some of us have jobs, some dont. The people who stay overnight a lot mostly dont have jobs, one is retired and independent financially. I dont see what that has to do with anything though, I can think of 3 that were regular campers but got jobs so now only stay occasionally but still give their time to camp when they can. Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?

This is the second time you have brought up that u have grandchildren. Congrats it's not like they let just anyone have kids.
I think the problem with the occupy people and work is that they are making no effort to find work. It's evident if they are sitting in a camp all day you are not out looking for jobs or trying to get into a course to make yourself more employable. I have nothing against people on the dole assuming they deserve it. People sitting in a camp all day don't deserve it.
May I ask when did you last work?

FreudianSlippers

hippygran wrote: »

You are welcome to see the books, just come to camp and ask. People who give us donations dont seem to worry about what we do with it, and I am not sure really what you think we do with money that is nefarious. It goes on milk, food, credit for the camp phone, art supplies, gas for the cooker and heater etc. It is all written down as I say. I am not sure how much you think we get, but it isnt huge amounts.
What is the definition of a 'crusty'? I am a middle aged woman with grandchildren, I am clean and reasonably well dressed I think. Some of us have jobs, some dont. The people who stay overnight a lot mostly dont have jobs, one is retired and independent financially. I dont see what that has to do with anything though, I can think of 3 that were regular campers but got jobs so now only stay occasionally but still give their time to camp when they can. Surely if anyone is entitled to be unhappy with the system right now it is those who are unable to find a job?

Post 'em up here so... I'm sure we'd all love to see the bookkeeping abilities of OG.

Inclusion

hippygran wrote: »

That is just rubbish! For a start, if you were around camp you would certainly know Fia as she is there almost constantly. There was a short period, around the end of Nov I think, when there werent many people staying overnight because the weather was very bad and we had problems with the main tent leaking and sleeping tents got damaged and wet. That was fixed and most of the tents have been occupied most nights since. I admit that we havent kept up with the online stuff as well as some camps, again because of the problems we had with keeping equipment dry, that is starting to improve. All spending of donations is accounted for and has been written down since we started. They are not on a pc but are certainly recorded and kept along with all receipts.

I think ,Hippygran, you should get off the scapegoat stool and allow for once the self appointed leaders to answer as you aren't answering anything...you would be well advised to study the the issues that you readily admit you don't understand ( as you have stated on Occupy Galway thread) as you have so much time on your hands spendiing all that time in Eyre Square and ask Ms Borg to explain her lies on the Advertiser and her insistence on an 'application' to join the camp.
Your statement there is strangely conflicting with Eireman's who said we had no right to 'look at the books' and I have no intention of going anywhere near your 'camp' as I said in my post as your fellow 'Occupiers' attitude is quite intimidating to say the least.
You all have been advocating online governance (repeating myself - only because you can't be bothered reading properly what you are responding to) so post your a/c's online please.
And Hippygran , seriously, do you not recognise you are the fall guy in this instance????