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Girl allegedly raped on Brazilian Big Brother

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  • #362
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Where were these posts??

    There were a few to be fair. And they are sickening.


  • #363
    BunShopVoyeur
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    Not sure if it's been posted already.


  • #364
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    There were a few to be fair. And they are sickening.

    Cheers. I've not had a chance to read the entire thread. It is sad if people do hold those views. I think alot of them would have differing views if it were their wife/sister/daughter/mother.


  • #365
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Since rape isn't actually about sex, is that a fair assumption ?

    Not arguing, btw, since I "understand" neither a rapist mindset nor homosexuality.......just asking.

    I don't understand the whole "rape isn't about sex" line. It's just that for the analogy to work the person you wake up beside would have to be someone you could conceivably have consensual sex with.

    Rape is about control/assault/humiliation.

    The sex is only the method used if you like.....as I said I'm no expert but there are studies and reports that draw this conclusion.

    Wanting to have sex apparently isn't the driving force behind an assault of that nature (not of "this" nature in the context of the thread because apparently there wasn't one)


  • #366
    saa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭saa


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    Cheers. I've not had a chance to read the entire thread. It is sad if people do hold those views. I think alot of them would have differing views if it were their wife/sister/daughter/mother.

    Even when its someone you know or yourself its still very difficult to comprehend and I would be surprised if anyone here went to a school that did something to open up a discussion about "the dangers" as they refereed to it :|


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  • #367
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    saa wrote: »
    Even when its someone you know or yourself its still very difficult to comprehend and I would be surprised if anyone here went to a school that did something to open up a discussion about "the dangers" as they refereed to it :|

    It is very hard to comprehend why people do such terrible things to other people. Rape is along with other things a way for someone to dominate another human in a way that humiliates them. I guess that is why some straight men rape other straight men in prison, to dominate and humiliate.


  • #368
    ch750536
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    Millicent wrote: »
    Seriously? This shit again? How do you know she would have consented to anything? How do you know she wasn't so drunk she couldn't consent to anything?

    I dont even the whole thing.


  • #369
    ch750536
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭ch750536


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    No, Even After Hours has a line that you do not cross. This thread is sickening.
    There is a special place in Hell reserved for the 'slut was asking for it' crowd.

    AH has a line?


  • #370
    Deus Ex Machina
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Deus Ex Machina


    I wonder if there were any sweaty fat guys watching at the time having a filthy hairy wretched ****...


  • #371
    Big_Evil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Big_Evil


    Read to pg 12 of the thread and couldnt handle any more of the ignorant statements being put up here about rape in general

    On the actual alleged 'rape' itself....I'm not so sure it was rape, but sexual assault is the minimum charge that idiot can face.

    However, spare a thought for that lady ! All she has to go on is a video with what is clearly some form of sexual contact with that guy. We dont know for sure the extent of that sexual contact, neither does she.

    She had to be sat down this morning and be told by a bunch of producers and police officers that she may have been raped on live TV in front of an audience of millions!

    As for a deep discussion on AH, well, AH is not the place to do it - surprised the mods still have this thread running, considering some of the posts earlier - saw a few bannings along the way for expecially offensive statements, but rather than giving a brief platform for such offensiveness, this should either be locked or moved to a more appropiate forum where a more level headed discussion can be had.

    Personally, I've said my piece - I'm outta this one.


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  • #372
    User Friendly
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    Big_Evil wrote: »
    Read to pg 12 of the thread and couldnt handle any more of the ignorant statements being put up here about rape in general

    On the actual alleged 'rape' itself....I'm not so sure it was rape, but sexual assault is the minimum charge that idiot can face.

    However, spare a thought for that lady ! All she has to go on is a video with what is clearly some form of sexual contact with that guy. We dont know for sure the extent of that sexual contact, neither does she.

    She had to be sat down this morning and be told by a bunch of producers and police officers that she may have been raped on live TV in front of an audience of millions!

    As for a deep discussion on AH, well, AH is not the place to do it - surprised the mods still have this thread running, considering some of the posts earlier - saw a few bannings along the way for expecially offensive statements, but rather than giving a brief platform for such offensiveness, this should either be locked or moved to a more appropiate forum where a more level headed discussion can be had.

    Personally, I've said my piece - I'm outta this one.
    but according to the girl Monique,it was all consensual,she denies sexual assault,Yes she left the house a few times to be interviewed by police who are at this stage under fierce pressure to bring these allegations to an endgame. the link provided is from a popular website in brazil. you may need your translator turned on to read it.

    http://entretenimento.r7.com/famosos-e-tv/noticias/apos-escandalo-monique-no-que-ja-esta-pronta-para-a-proxima-festa-20120118.html?question=0


  • #373
    MagicSean
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    User Friendly wrote: »
    but according to the girl Monique,it was all consensual,she denies sexual assault,Yes she left the house a few times to be interviewed by police who are at this stage under fierce pressure to bring these allegations to an endgame. the link provided is from a popular website in brazil. you may need your translator turned on to read it.

    http://entretenimento.r7.com/famosos-e-tv/noticias/apos-escandalo-monique-no-que-ja-esta-pronta-para-a-proxima-festa-20120118.html?question=0

    It seems the emotional masses don't agree. Apparently it was sexual assault even though she didn't mind. Her views apparently don't come into it.


  • #374
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    That's totally wrong. I have always stated that a rapist should be brought to juctice. I am simply trying to explain why I think the DPP does not go ahead with prosecutions in many of the cases which were reported. It's not the only reason but I'm sure it's one of a number of reasons.

    I also totally resent the implication that you suggest "she was kinda looking for it being drunk" is a view that I hold. It is not.
    Fair enough. That's simple and clear.


  • #375
    Aidric
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    The first good thread of 2012. Gold.


  • #376
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Rape is about control/assault/humiliation.
    Absolutely. It's a huge powertrip. Forcing yourself on another person couldn't be anything else, it's certainly not sex.


  • #377
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    ch750536 wrote: »
    I dont even the whole thing.
    Obviously.


  • #378
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    MagicSean wrote: »
    It seems the emotional masses don't agree. Apparently it was sexual assault even though she didn't mind. Her views apparently don't come into it.

    tbf once you're committed to a charge on a high horse they're really hard to reign in


  • #379
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Johro wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Rape is about control/assault/humiliation.
    Absolutely. It's a huge powertrip. Forcing yourself on another person couldn't be anything else, it's certainly not sex.
    I don't know. Can we say for certain it's never about sexual release?


  • #380
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Bambi wrote: »
    tbf once you're committed to a charge on a high horse they're really hard to reign in
    To be really fair, most opinions put forward on this have been based on the assumption of guilt, admittedly, and on the OP's link, and while the assumption of guilt had some merit at first nobody was yet aware of subsequent developments, be they true or not. The discussion then turned to the subject of rape and whether the victim could be held responsible in some small part for having rendered herself incapable, a view which a minority on here seem to hold. It's pretty obvious no sensible person would be screaming guilty! if this: 'even though she didn't mind' were true. If anyone here was as you say, 'on a high horse', it was about the issue of victim blaming, not the guilt or innocence of the idiot involved.


  • #381
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Dudess wrote: »
    I don't know. Can we say for certain it's never about sexual release?
    Probably not for certain.. But to me it definitely seems to be about overpowering someone, maybe I'm wrong. You'd think that if it was just about sexual release you'd be able to get that without resorting to rape.


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  • #382
    Dudess
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    Much of this thread is about the issue of rape in general, not just this alleged incident.


  • #383
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Dudess wrote: »
    Johro wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Rape is about control/assault/humiliation.
    Absolutely. It's a huge powertrip. Forcing yourself on another person couldn't be anything else, it's certainly not sex.
    I don't know. Can we say for certain it's never about sexual release?

    I'd never assume to understand a ****ed-up mind capable of doing something like that - hence my "I'm no expert" - but between reports on such things and the fact that I can't imagine having sex with someone not enjoying it, let alone someone who doesn't want it, I'd be pretty sure.

    And the reports of non-gays doing it in prison would appear to back that up.

    But as I said, when it comes to twisted sick minds and assaulting others, all my understanding and reference points go out the window.


  • #384
    starbelgrade
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    Dudess wrote: »
    I don't know. Can we say for certain it's never about sexual release?

    The same thing is always trodden out when it comes to this subject - that rape is always or just about power & not sex. And it seems that the more it's said, the more we're supposed to believe it.

    Personally, I think that's a load of cock. Rape, I'm sure, is often about power - definitely in many cases of violent rape, but I don't believe that it's always about power.


  • #385
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I'd say it nearly always is about power, but other factors too, such as sexual release.


  • #386
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    The same thing is always trodden out when it comes to this subject - that rape is always or just about power & not sex. And it seems that the more it's said, the more we're supposed to believe it.

    Personally, I think that's a load of cock. Rape, I'm sure, is often about power - definitely in many cases of violent rape, but I don't believe that it's always about power.
    I guess I just see all cases of rape as violent, and would definitely believe that in the majority of cases it's about power, you are in fact overpowering your victim, it's a physical assault. Maybe not always, I could see a guy being drunk and horny trying it on and going too far but there must come a point where he knows that if he goes further, it becomes an assault.


  • #387
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    ...and the fact that I can't imagine having sex with someone not enjoying it, let alone someone who doesn't want it, I'd be pretty sure.
    Yeah, for me too, that would make it about power, not sex.


  • #388
    Big_Evil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Big_Evil


    Dudess wrote: »
    Much of this thread is about the issue of rape in general, not just this alleged incident.

    Exactly - if indeed the whole incident on the Brazil BB was consesual as per link above, all well and good in this instance.

    However, the general comments on rape and the perceptions here over the past few hours have been horrendous.

    I saw a reference made to a young lady in Kerry where a whole town rowed in behind the offender (I believe he was found guilty in a court of law for the crime)

    There is a widespread attitude to rape in Ireland that is shocking in this day and age and should not be tolerated.

    Anyway, deffo done with this thread now.


  • #389
    LH Pathe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    Those poor promiscuous people, driven by the most basic urge i cherish the smaller populations, myself.. with no libido aka no motivation.

    Randy Brasilians remind me we need to cut back on people in the world. if you have one in the oven you are destroying the planet, selfish.. am doing my cele-bit anyhow


  • #390
    Indubitable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Indubitable


    After reading the first ten pages of this thread, I now realise why some of the best contributors are closing their accounts.


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  • #391
    Lirange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Johro wrote: »
    Probably not for certain.. But to me it definitely seems to be about overpowering someone, maybe I'm wrong. You'd think that if it was just about sexual release you'd be able to get that without resorting to rape.

    Well with all the incidents of rape involving elderly women it does seem to often be the case. Unless they just prefer the geriatric set. :confused:


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