LAMPING DEER

driller2 · 16-01-2012 12:55AM #1

:mad::mad:Well lads

Big problem with lads lamping deer on the kilkenny tipperary border at monment.we are finding deer dead every were .Out shooting last sunday and found a buck dead inside a ditch shot in the neck.
We have informed the guards and the rangers .All the land owers who have deer on there lands are stoping shooting.
Any one else having the same problem's

kildare.17hmr · 16-01-2012 01:05AM

Just shooting for the sake of pulling the trigger like?? At least a poacher has a reason for shooting them, money or food but what a fookin waist, i dont understand it!

garv123 · 16-01-2012 01:15AM

They left them? How do ye know this was done under a lamp out of curiosity? The only reason i can think why they left it is that maybe they taught it was a doe and left it cos the game dealer wouldnt take it.

Theres a 4 or 5 lads in our area out with dogs mad after deer and just leaving them there. Heard one fella boasted about getting more than 100 for 2011. :mad:
They cant be caught because they walk and leave the deer there to rot and walk back home.

driller2 · 16-01-2012 01:23AM

well the deer was shot in the neck he was just inside a ditch.if a lad shot him stalking the deer would have being a easy find.All the local have being informed about the lamping and have being giving number to ring, if they see lights lamping .We are going to do our best to put a end to this .

terminator2 · 16-01-2012 01:30AM

dont they know that this kind of activity will ruin all deer shooting/lamping in the country.......idiots......lamping for foxes that is:mad:

Hunter21 · 16-01-2012 01:33AM

Community alert groups for the protection of animals and people's safety need to be set up in poaching black spots! And good active groups that are willing to put in the work and hours. Hearing of landowners and guards suspending shooting in areas is hurting the legit hunters.

sonofthegun · 16-01-2012 09:14PM

its gone out of hand up our way mate rang me Sunday evening to go out to a local area to watch the lamps from the main road bold as brass and nothing being done about it.
stog

groundskeeper willie · 17-01-2012 01:26AM

sonofthegun wrote: »

its gone out of hand up our way mate rang me Sunday evening to go out to a local area to watch the lamps from the main road bold as brass and nothing being done about it.
stog

I have a fairly expensive bit of stalking in wicklow and i'v got 2 deer this season. The numbers have just nosedived and poaching is the main reason. Obviously this lease will be going back to coillte at the end of the season because its not worth half what we're payin for it. And from what i'm hearing there wil be many more going back too. Something is going to have to be done about it before an accident happens

robbie mars · 17-01-2012 02:49AM

All hunting round dundalk has been temporary banned due to this sort of crap as well would sickened your ar*e

meathstevie · 17-01-2012 03:57AM

The good old days of the gamekeeper and the local Garda that knew every bollix on his patch are well gone...

I for one would also put a good bit of blame on buyers of venison who don't seem to be very selective as to where their produce comes from. Or to put it more to the point, from folks who keep carcasses rolling up to the slab as if they fall of a conveyor belt.

Don Corolone · 17-01-2012 09:57PM

Same story here in south offaly ,I gave up getting up early in the morning as I just kept finding drag marks ,legs and belly's .There are lads coming up from as far away as wexford to lamp deer with locals.The guards don't care nor do most of the landowners as they just want to get rid of the deer!

The Big Fella · 17-01-2012 10:09PM

Don Corolone wrote: »

Same story here in south offaly ,I gave up getting up early in the morning as I just kept finding drag marks ,legs and belly's .There are lads coming up from as far away as wexford to lamp deer with locals.The guards don't care nor do most of the landowners as they just want to get rid of the deer!

I know a few lads that stalk deer down there. Where did you hear about the lads coming up from wexford, you must have caught them if thats the case. The boys are tripping over deer down there so perhaps look a little harder. If there is a problem with poaching in your area wait out a few nights in the car for these lads that are poaching. Get the feicing reg number of the suspected poachers to give to the gardai. Complaining about it on boards.ie will not solve the problem!

sonofthegun · 17-01-2012 11:21PM

The Big Fella wrote: »

I know a few lads that stalk deer down there. Where did you hear about the lads coming up from wexford, you must have caught them if thats the case. The boys are tripping over deer down there so perhaps look a little harder. If there is a problem with poaching in your area wait out a few nights in the car for these lads that are poaching. Get the feicing reg number of the suspected poachers to give to the gardai. Complaining about it on boards.ie will not solve the problem!

gaurds dont give a fiddlers down here and the super is so anti gun you would only be giving him another reason to deny applications by highlighting exactly what is going on
stog

meathstevie · 18-01-2012 06:37AM

sonofthegun wrote: »

gaurds dont give a fiddlers down here and the super is so anti gun you would only be giving him another reason to deny applications by highlighting exactly what is going on
stog

Isn't that exactly the sort of logic that has giving cause for the last re-jigging of the firearms legislation. The actions of criminals being used to restrict legitimate gun owners.

It's a simple fact that poachers are involved in the illegal taking of game which is a criminal offence as such but they're quite often also involved in gun crime. Granted it's not as serious as a gangster shooting someone but it's still gun crime.

Unfortunately I can see a situation developing as often has in Irish politics where after a prolonged period of inaction and procastinating and general talking waffle someone in government has an "oh feck we need to do something" moment resulting in a fiasco where as per usual the child gets thrown out with the bath water. A right few former pistol shooters can tell you about it.

muff munch · 18-01-2012 11:18AM

a lot of it is got to do with lads selling the deer.i was talking to a local gun dealer and he was telling me he knows lads who normally wouldnt shoot deer but now that theres money in it they are at it.when money is involved people dont give a sh-t.i know a lot o lads have morgages to pay and ar stuck for the money but with more and more people shooting deer to sell them its going to deplete the numbers.ive been hunting in a place for the last 3 years and when i first started hunting there the place was a walk with deer but this year ive really noticed the decline in numbers and i havent taken 6-7 deer out of that place over them 3 years.my brother lives up in mayo and he says its the same story up there.there could be great deer hunting in this country for years to come if it wasnt so easy to sell deers.i cant see deer hunting lasting much longer if this continues.

18-01-2012 01:19PM

muff munch wrote: »

a lot of it is got to do with lads selling the deer.i was talking to a local gun dealer and he was telling me he knows lads who normally wouldnt shoot deer but now that theres money in it they are at it.when money is involved people dont give a sh-t.ive been hunting in a place for the last 3 years and when i first started hunting there the place was a walk with deer but this year ive really noticed the decline in numbers and i havent taken 6-7 deer out of that place over them 3 years.my brother lives up in mayo and he says its the same story up there.there could be great deer hunting in this country for years to come if it wasnt so easy to sell deers.i cant see deer hunting lasting much longer if this continues.

Agree 100%, not much of a future for deer hunting

Gave up even going out before christmas, road passed one area I have permission was being lamped at least twice a night September to mid December, during that period Game butchers from north and south were doing the rounds of the NW every week collecting carcass'.

richiedel123 · 18-01-2012 07:25PM

Don Corolone wrote: »

Same story here in south offaly ,I gave up getting up early in the morning as I just kept finding drag marks ,legs and belly's .There are lads coming up from as far away as wexford to lamp deer with locals.The guards don't care nor do most of the landowners as they just want to get rid of the deer!

I shoot the sliabh blooms too and deer number are down in serious decline. I myself have met lads from carlow and wexford in the area shooting. I no for a fact one piece of land I shoot, they lamp everytime they are up because the land owner tells me and can even tell me what they shot and where. He didnt care because he wanted the deer thinned out but the wildlife ranger came knocking his door asking about lads lamping and told him there will be consequences if lads are caught lamping there so he stopped them from doin that. I have heard rumours of lads being caught by the guards and ranger in the area but how true it is i dont no. On the first day last year I was waiting for day break to go onto a piece of land I have and I could see lamps shining in the distance. These lads really dont care how or where they shoot them

richiedel123 · 18-01-2012 07:26PM

Don Corolone wrote: »

Same story here in south offaly ,I gave up getting up early in the morning as I just kept finding drag marks ,legs and belly's .There are lads coming up from as far away as wexford to lamp deer with locals.The guards don't care nor do most of the landowners as they just want to get rid of the deer!

I shoot the sliabh blooms too and deer number are down in serious decline. I myself have met lads from carlow and wexford in the area shooting. I no for a fact one piece of land I shoot, they lamp everytime they are up because the land owner tells me and can even tell me what they shot and where. He didnt care because he wanted the deer thinned out but the wildlife ranger came knocking his door asking about lads lamping and told him there will be consequences if lads are caught lamping there so he stopped them from doin that. I have heard rumours of lads being caught by the guards and ranger in the area but how true it is i dont no. On the first day last year I was waiting for day break to go onto a piece of land I have and I could see lamps shining in the distance. These lads really dont care how or where they shoot them

kakashka · 18-01-2012 08:04PM

I'm shooting a long time now,Poaching has been going on for all that time and has been much worse in the past,will always be lots of Deer in this country,Deer are not so stupid as to continue to frequent places that are relentlessly lamped and stalked

marcp · 18-01-2012 10:20PM

kakashka wrote: »

I'm shooting a long time now,Poaching has been going on for all that time and has been much worse in the past,will always be lots of Deer in this country,Deer are not so stupid as to continue to frequent places that are relentlessly lamped and stalked

was venison getting 2.50 a kilo in the middle of a recession with a huge amount of lads unemployed and lots of time on their hands?
i'm not tryin to be smart, i'm only a few years shootin and i just think this is going to destroy deer stalking for those of us who are genuine.

landkeeper · 18-01-2012 10:59PM

deer poaching was a problem in the past, but back then there weren't as many rifles around let alone big centrefires and venison wasn't making the price it is today

Prohunter · 18-01-2012 11:39PM

15 years ago or so venison was making more money then it is today
and that's a fact.. There is still good numbers of deer around but there well away
from the roads over lads out for handy ones to lazy to walk

groundskeeper willie · 18-01-2012 11:43PM

landkeeper wrote: »

deer poaching was a problem in the past, but back then there weren't as many rifles around let alone big centrefires and venison wasn't making the price it is today

from what i'm hearing theres a few young lads in wicklow handing 300 animals in to the game dealer per season. your talking 7 or 8 grand there. there has always been poaching, a lot of it for the table, but its different now.

groundskeeper willie · 18-01-2012 11:46PM

Prohunter wrote: »

15 years ago or so venison was making more money then it is today
and that's a fact.. There is still good numbers of deer around but there well away
from the roads over lads out for handy ones to lazy to walk

agree. shooting from a window of a jeep (whether you pay for your shooting or not) during the day is poaching too lets not forget

The Big Fella · 18-01-2012 11:57PM

landkeeper wrote: »

deer poaching was a problem in the past, but back then there weren't as many rifles around let alone big centrefires and venison wasn't making the price it is today

What kind of an anti gun attitude is that? Its the game dealers you need to restrict! Every carcass should be accounted for and limits should be imposed on the ampont of carcasses sold to the game dealers.

groundskeeper willie · 19-01-2012 12:10AM

The Big Fella wrote: »

What kind of an anti gun attitude is that? Its the game dealers you need to restrict! Every carcass should be accounted for and limits should be imposed on the ampont of carcasses sold to the game dealers.

the new game handling course is apparantly going to solve the accountability problem, wouldnt hold my breath though. would taxing all payments from game dealers help, or would you be crucifying deer farms and legit commercial stalking?

landkeeper · 19-01-2012 12:12AM

no anti gun attitude just fact

kakashka · 19-01-2012 12:14AM

marcp wrote: »

was venison getting 2.50 a kilo in the middle of a recession with a huge amount of lads unemployed and lots of time on their hands?

A time when Venison was worth much more,1+ punt a POUND when a punt was worth a lot and nobody had a job,
There are MORE deer now than ever,i hear the same story every year,particularly towards the end of season..."where are all the deer gone","must be poachers"..deer get to know the routine and CHANGE their habbits and territory to stay alive

landkeeper · 19-01-2012 12:17AM

but back then we were only allowed one rifle and max calibre was 22-250 or there abouts
now every tom dick and harry has a 223 or bigger and some alot more than one

Prohunter · 19-01-2012 12:30AM

I must say Wicklow was gone bad for poaching
but it wasn't as bad dis year the few lads gettin caught early in the year helped..

kakashka · 19-01-2012 12:33AM

groundskeeper willie wrote: »

the new game handling course is apparantly going to solve the accountability problem, wouldnt hold my breath though. would taxing all payments from game dealers help, or would you be crucifying deer farms and legit commercial stalking?

Dealers are taking deer from non licence holders and paying cash so no IMHO you can never stop poaching,more rules and regs will just hinder legit Hunters

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