Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

Dyr · 18-01-2012 04:16PM

LordSutch wrote: »

As somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now? A new era since the Queen's visit? A new era since Cameron's loan? A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it? Yet the hatred here (among some) for the British flag is palpable.

I find the amount of Brit bashing here disgustingly narrow minded & ill informed. So much for a new dispensation & being friends. I actuall have friends in England who visit us here on a regular basis, England Rugby shirts & flags on display (without problem), so quite why there is so much hatred for the British flag here 'on this Thread' is somewhat curious & not representitive of the larger population - I think?

I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England.

I wouldnt wear any irish flag in england, it's just smacks of coat dragging to me.

Washout · 18-01-2012 04:17PM

EarlERizer wrote: »

I was refering to your assumption that should you wear said garment in a locality such as Tallaght (in this case Kilnamanagh) that you would be lynched,implying that the area is some hot bed of knuckle dragging scum.

I've sat in a pub in Blackrock having sunday lunch with my kids,my son wearing an England jersey and almost came to blows with some well heeled ignorant arsehole locals passing remarks toward my son.

If your going to be met with some mindless crap because of what your wearing it wont be because of where you are but because of who you encounter!

Point taken and accepted

starbelgrade · 18-01-2012 04:23PM

EarlERizer wrote: »

.......and because there's no game for it on the PS3 or XBox yet!

What would they call it? Call of Duty : Nordy Land? God of War - The Ulster Years?

Chuck Stone · 18-01-2012 04:25PM

No. I would not wear that flag because it represents repression to me and people in my family.

bwatson wrote: »

You don't have to wear clothing to show your gratitude and dependence anyway.

Sure you do your bit to support British arts and culture anyway with your obsession with the Premier League, the BBC, Sherlock and Downton Abbey

WTF is this bull****?

Regardless, I couldn't help but notice the amount of Irish people working in the BBC and UK media in general; take them out and you have an inferior product.

Indeed, take the Irish contribution to literature and the arts out of the English language and again, a much inferior product is the result.

So maybe when people like you embrace these facts, rather than holding onto an antiquated and outdated sense of self-importance for dear life, then we'll all get along a little better.

Tayla · 18-01-2012 04:27PM

LordSutch wrote: »

As somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now?

No, I don't think we do live in a new era, for a start not a week goes by where I don't have to correct a young British person on the internet that Ireland is not actually a part of Britian. I was even talking to to British guys a few months ago on a night out, one of them was an English teacher, he didn't realise we were our own seperate country :eek: I have English friends who live here who didn't have a clue about anything to do with our history because they were never taught it in school.
If the British weren't so ignorant about our history and made a full apology and acknowledged the extent of what they actually did to this country and educated their children about it then I think we would move into a new era.

LordSutch wrote: »

A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it?

I have no problem with other people wearing the flag or jersey but personally it's not for me.

LordSutch wrote: »

I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England.

Why would there be? What have we ever done to them?

gurramok · 18-01-2012 04:29PM

44leto wrote: »

I totally agree, as neighbours go Ireland is very lucky to have such good ones in the modern era. We have always had the right to walk into their country and work, get benefits, medical care, without a visa even without a passport and even before the EU.

They have always assisted us in maritime rescue before we had that capability. To spite us IMO harbouring terrorists during the troubles they never used the heavy hand of which they were capable off. They were on our side in the negotiations with the ECB to spite other EU members like Germany and France giving us crippling terms. As you said they lent us 7 Billion to spite their own troubles.

There is so much more they have done, and like it or not we a culturally joined at the hip with Britain.

Jesus man, do actually believe the tripe you write? Hint, those terms are only favourable when it suits them, nothing has been charitable.

sensibleken · 18-01-2012 04:33PM

Tayla wrote: »

No, I don't think we do live in a new era, for a start not a week goes by where I don't have to correct a young British person on the internet that Ireland is not actually a part of Britian. I was even talking to to British guys a few months ago on a night out, one of them was an English teacher, he didn't realise we were our own seperate country :eek: I have English friends who live here who didn't have a clue about anything to do with our history because they were never taught it in school.
If the British weren't so ignorant about our history and made a full apology and acknowledged the extent of what they actually did to this country and educated their children about it then I think we would move into a new era.
?

what specifically would you like them to apologise for?

RichieC · 18-01-2012 04:35PM

Not a bother, sure I have Tee shirts with the US flag on... what of it.

Cú Giobach · 18-01-2012 04:36PM

LordSutch wrote: »

As somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now? A new era since the Queen's visit? A new era since Cameron's loan? A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it? Yet the hatred here (among some) for the British flag is palpable.

I find the amount of Brit bashing here disgustingly narrow minded & ill informed. So much for a new dispensation & being friends. I actuall have friends in England who visit us here on a regular basis, England Rugby shirts & flags on display (without problem), so quite why there is so much hatred for the British flag here 'on this Thread' is somewhat curious & not representitive of the larger population - I think?

I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England.

But there is no outpouring of hatred towards England

people are just saying they would feel uncomfortable. In fact most of the bigoted statements (by a long shot) are towards Ireland or Irish people.

Batsy · 18-01-2012 04:37PM

Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

I would. It's the best national flag there is.

EarlERizer · 18-01-2012 04:38PM

LordSutch wrote: »

As somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now? A new era since the Queen's visit? A new era since Cameron's loan? A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it? Yet the hatred here (among some) for the British flag is palpable.

I find the amount of Brit bashing here disgustingly narrow minded & ill informed. So much for a new dispensation & being friends. I actuall have friends in England who visit us here on a regular basis, England Rugby shirts & flags on display (without problem), so quite why there is so much hatred for the British flag here 'on this Thread' is somewhat curious & not representitive of the larger population - I think?

I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England.

I agree with your sentiment, I think the bile & vitriol we endure in open forums are par for the course, be it misinformed distorted or ignorant it's the individual given their tu'pence worth and for others just a chance to stir the pot or stoke the fire and for some it's their opinion to which they're entitled,we may not always like it or agree with it.

That said, I equally detest the passionate in your face flag waving proud nationalist stance that we see from some,be it at international football matches or on the balconies of holiday apart-hotels all over the med or as a symbol on patriotic pride whilst acting like animals.

I abhor the use of the Irish Tri-Colour & British flags as statements in football grounds such as Parkhead & Ibrox (you'd laugh at it's ignorance if it wasnt so sinister)

I suppose we've actually come on a fair bit these past 10-15 years but there's still a way to go yet,but for the most part we're on the right track and hopefully it'll remain so.

.........until Cameron wants his money back

lol Cameron's loan , love it!

ejmaztec · 18-01-2012 04:41PM

sensibleken wrote: »

what specifically would you like them to apologise for?

Vodafone Home Broadband for starters.:mad:

:pac:

sensibleken · 18-01-2012 04:43PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Vodafone Home Broadband for starters.:mad:

:pac:

nevermind all the grovelling we're going to have to do for Jedward

ejmaztec · 18-01-2012 04:44PM

Batsy wrote: »

I would. It's the best national flag there is.

There's having a sensible discussion, and then there are pointless comments like this.

Paparazzo · 18-01-2012 04:46PM

fryup wrote: »

> walk down any main st in england wearing a tee shirt with an irish tricolour no one will batt an eyelid

> walk down any any main st in ireland wearing a tee shirt with a union jack and there a big chance you'll get abuse FACT

who's the bigots i ask you?

Here's another test:
Walk down any main street in Ireland with a german flag on your tee shirt.
Then try the same in England.

Morlar · 18-01-2012 04:47PM

sensibleken wrote: »

nevermind all the grovelling we're going to have to do for Jedward

Pretty sure they're english actually. I heard they are from Harrow.

johngalway · 18-01-2012 04:48PM

Washout wrote: »

SO my wife is Indian.

Get her a jumper with a Pakistan flag, all will be well.

Cú Giobach · 18-01-2012 04:48PM

EarlERizer wrote: »

I agree with your sentiment, I think the bile & vitriol we endure in open forums are par for the course,

Someone says they would be uncomfortable wearing something with the union flag on it, they are then attacked and called all sorts of names along with mass generalisations about Irish people and you say you are the recipient of bile and hatred, Wow!
One side attacks an emblem the other a people, which is worse?

Fratton Fred · 18-01-2012 04:50PM

Tayla wrote: »

No, I don't think we do live in a new era, for a start not a week goes by where I don't have to correct a young British person on the internet that Ireland is not actually a part of Britian. I was even talking to to British guys a few months ago on a night out, one of them was an English teacher, he didn't realise we were our own seperate country :eek: I have English friends who live here who didn't have a clue about anything to do with our history because they were never taught it in school.
If the British weren't so ignorant about our history and made a full apology and acknowledged the extent of what they actually did to this country and educated their children about it then I think we would move into a new era.

I have no problem with other people wearing the flag or jersey but personally it's not for me.
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Why would there be? What have we ever done to them?

The really sad thing, is that you probably believe all this arrogant stuff.

Morlar · 18-01-2012 04:50PM

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Someone says they would be uncomfortable wearing something with the union flag on it, they are then attacked and called all sorts of names along with mass generalisations about Irish people and you say you are the recipient of bile and hatred, Wow!
One side attacks an emblem the other a people, which is worse?

Not to mention the little fact that there is not one single loyalist here who would wear a Irish Tricolour Shirt unless it was on the way to a bonfire.

sensibleken · 18-01-2012 04:51PM

Morlar wrote: »

Pretty sure they're english actually. I heard they are from Harrow.

wishful thinking im afraid, theyre from Lucan

summerskin · 18-01-2012 04:52PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Here's another test:
Walk down any main street in Ireland with a german flag on your tee shirt.
Then try the same in England.

have done it hundreds of times with my old parka coat and my old west germany football shirt. no problems at all, same when i wear an argentina football shirt.

Fratton Fred · 18-01-2012 04:54PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Here's another test:
Walk down any main street in Ireland with a german flag on your tee shirt.
Then try the same in England.

The response in both countries would be an overwhelming lack of interest tbh.

blatantrereg · 18-01-2012 04:55PM

LordSutch wrote: »

As somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now? A new era since the Queen's visit? A new era since Cameron's loan? A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it? Yet the hatred here (among some) for the British flag is palpable.

I find the amount of Brit bashing here disgustingly narrow minded & ill informed. So much for a new dispensation & being friends. I actuall have friends in England who visit us here on a regular basis, England Rugby shirts & flags on display (without problem), so quite why there is so much hatred for the British flag here 'on this Thread' is somewhat curious & not representitive of the larger population - I think?

I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England.

It's since the 70's apparently. (As in according to my parents). Even coming up to the formation of the Irish Free State most Irish people didn't have such antipathy as this. Remember that Nationalists were only one faction among the rebels. People could fly a Union Jack in the southside of Dublin without provoking comment.

It all comes from the Troubles in the North really.

Back to the original question: No I wouldn't wear a British flag. I'm not British. I wouldn't wear the flag of any other foreign country either. No difference for me.

KeithAFC · 18-01-2012 04:57PM

Morlar wrote: »

Not to mention the little fact that there is not one single loyalist here who would wear a Irish Tricolour Shirt unless it was on the way to a bonfire.

I did say for a million pounds.

Cú Giobach · 18-01-2012 04:59PM

Morlar wrote: »

Not to mention the little fact that there is not one single loyalist here who would wear a Irish Tricolour Shirt unless it was on the way to a bonfire.

In fairness Keith would wear one and even go to meeting in a POO lodge wearing it for a million quid.

BraziliaNZ · 18-01-2012 05:03PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

Here's another test:
Walk down any main street in Ireland with a german flag on your tee shirt.
Then try the same in England.

Just to prove that no one would even notice it? English people wear the German parkas too, by the way, I'd imagine they were wearing them before they were fashionable in certain scenes in Ireland. I've never heard English people speak bad of the Germans outside of a jokey manner, I can't say the same for the Irish speaking of our British neighbours.

blatantrereg · 18-01-2012 05:06PM

So do you reckon the colonisation of Ireland by Britain was more or less destructive than the colonisation of Ireland by the Catholic church?

They were opposing forces after all. Surely the Catholic church were the bad guys. More oppression, more repression and more heinous crimes by them than there were by the Brits I'd have thought.

People should be proud to wear the union jack, in honour of those who stood against that evil force in our land.

copeyhagen · 18-01-2012 05:09PM

fryup wrote: »

> walk down any main st in england wearing a tee shirt with an irish tricolour no one will batt an eyelid

> walk down any any main st in ireland wearing a tee shirt with a union jack and there a big chance you'll get abuse FACT

who's the bigots i ask you?

yeh, well we didnt put them through 800 years of.... ah, never mind

ejmaztec · 18-01-2012 05:10PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

I did say for a million pounds.

It would have to be a proper flag, and not one with a huge orange bit in the middle and tiny green and white stripes either side.

Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

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