Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

mongdesade wrote: »

I beg to differ...
I attended a motorbike rally in England wearing my club colours which proudly sports a tricolour & was asked to leave...FACT

ya but there's always a thuggish element amongst bikers;)

fryup wrote: »

> walk down any main st in england wearing a tee shirt with an irish tricolour no one will batt an eyelid

> walk down any any main st in ireland wearing a tee shirt with a union jack and there a big chance you'll get abuse FACT

who's the bigots i ask you?

Not completely true. I've been abused for wearing an Ireland shirt in Manchester and in Edinburgh.

:cool:

I wouldn't go out of my way to buy clothes which have any flag motif on it. Only a gobschite would imo. Though if there happened to be a flag design on an item of clothing that I liked it wouldn't put me off wearing it.

Boohoo... yet another anti Brit thread, I'll give one thing to the people who post the vitriol on these threads, you are consistent... and laughable...

You should stop buying anything and everything even remotely to do with Britain... see how far you would get then.

Washout wrote: »

SO my wife is Indian...and was over there on a trip home.

she brought me back a jumper with a little patch of the British flag about 2cm by 1cm.

I said to her, I cant wear that with the flag on it ill get a different patch to cover it. (you cant just simply remove it).

The argument that ensued was unreal.

Just wondering if there is Irish ppl out there who would wear it and am I just being totally pedantic.

Washout wrote: »

that was my argument.. I work in tallaght close to kilnamanagh imagine scumbags seeing me wearing it..could lead to a beating.

I also pointed out to her that as an Indian would she wear something with the Pakistan flag on it in India to which er answer was your just being an idiot.

I'm on your wife's side,god love the poor woman,she's married a narrow minded snob!

starbelgrade wrote: »

Most of the vehement anti-British sentiment in this country comes from young males - none of whom were even alive during the Troubles and the majority of whom have absolutely no connection to anyone or anything from those days.

They have a very one-sided view of the history of the two countries & refuse to acknowledge that the history itself is not black & white, but many shades of grey.

It's mostly just young bucks looking for somewhere to vent their pent-up anger.

.......and because there's no game for it on the PS3 or XBox yet!

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

No I wouldnt wear it, I wont wear reebok either because of the flag. My ex even freaks out if the kids dress in red, white and blue. A bit of a pain in the arse in the summer when all of the nautical clothes come in to shops

Your ex you saw the light!

summerskin wrote: »

OK, go and ask someone from Moss Side in Manchester to support Liverpool. Or someone from Sheffield to support Leeds.

This is a perfect illustration of how most irish people do not understand english football. loyalties are built on where you are from, for your local team for the majority of fans. The irish should follow LoI teams, they have no connection to manchester, liverpool or anywhere.

As an englishman, I don't choose to be a Real Madrid fan because Beckham once played for them, but apparently that's a good enough reason for someone to support United because paul mcgrath used to play there??? Utter rubbish. Wish those day trippers would stay at home and let real fans have a seat.

I know of a very proud Sheffield man who is a life long Leeds supporter, his 4 sons are all life long Man U supporters & his Daughter a liverpool supporter ...... and that's just one family, i'm guessing there are loads more like them the lenght & bredth of England

summerskin wrote: »

I'd say the 6.5% asian population far outweighs the irish population. i say this as someone who is from greater manchester. the irish population is miniscule in comparison.

Maybe directly, but the diaspora % would be greater on the Irish side than asian,the Irish diaspora is a far higher % than any other 'minority' group in the UK,minorty groups combined far outnumber true blood English,Welsh or Scottish hence the term 'Mongrel Nation'

summerskin wrote: »

utter bollocks that only an irishman would spout. I'm an englishman who has moved to ireland, does that mean i should start supporting an irish team rather than the team i have supported from my local area since i was a child? it's fickle and i would never do it.

Did those irish who emigrated also start supporting england, as that was where they lived? of course not, they sat in the pub with their united shirts on and sent money back for the IRA. I sat in enough pubs and witnessed this happen. It's typical irish fickleness, you'll support anything english when it suits you, and then harp on about 800 years when it doesn't.

I'm from greater manchester, are you? no. I'd imagine that gives me a little more insight into the history of the area and even of the football clubs. Stick to your own clubs histories, you haven't a clue about english teams and the history. You don't support a team because a few irishmen played there. whoopee fnucking doo. That's like saying that because many footballers from manchester have played for teams in London that people in manchester should then support London teams.

You support a team because it means something to you, it represents your town or city, even your side of a town or city. Not because some random builder came over from ireland in 1914 and was half-decent.

Oh, I know, Paul Scholes is from oldham, and he plays for man Utd, I should now support United instead of Oldham, by your logic.

Stick to GAA.

Funny,you started this one with the phrase "utter bollocks" and ended with the word "logic" ,the first summing up the post and the second lacking in ...Logic

summerskin wrote: »

I never said the country was crap. just the football fans and the constant harping on about 800 years from all the hand-wringing types who cannot take responsibility for their own actions and failures.

To be honest i'd love to move back to England, and I'm currently trying to convince my Irish wife to do so. However, family comes first, so it may not happen for a while.

Yes you did, quite vehemently too,you attacked everything from our people to our systems, backed up with loose strings of historical 'facts' , as bad a conduct of those spouting anti british bile,disgusting on both sides!

Why is your wife so against the move? Have you been unable to logically convince her of the benefits of getting out of here? Genuinely,I think she is mad to want to stay given the state we in here although things are starting to turn bleaker across the water these past months so maybe she's of the mind "better the devil"

summerskin wrote: »

it is. The irish "fans" are fickle glory-hunters with no real sense of belonging to any club, they just follow the trophies. Funny how the number of coaches going to anfield from here has halved in the years where they haven't won anything...

Just the Irish fans? come on, even the most ardant die hard footie fan would have to admit that football fans in general,regardless of allegiance to any team,are the most fickle of people - "you only sing when your winning" and turn on your team when they hit a rough patch, it's not a case of nationality its a mentality!

summerskin wrote: »

Ah, the patronising use of "son", despite the fact that I'm probably older than you. How clever.

Funny about the english having a bad name, i seem to recall the irish being unwelcome in vast swathes of the world. You're not seen as the happy-go-lucky, lovable rogues you seem to think.

Most irish people are sound, as are most british people. I've never been made to feel unwelcome anywhere I have travelled.

A case of the pot & the kettle and that colour black.

summerskin wrote: »

i've lived in the north west of england, London, france, switzerland, the USA and now ireland. I have friends in each place and have many irish friends, of course. My family left ireland over a hundred years ago to go to the UK and the USA. I'm just sick of all the anti-british drivel spouted on here by people sitting there wearing the united/liverpool shirts they are so proud of.

i've never been a nationalistic person, funny thing is that now i feel driven to defend the UK against the constant bashing.

funnily, when i'm in manchester this weekend I'll be defending ireland in a similar manner at times when people make the usual jokes about the country.

.........is that the sound of the penny dropping?

summerskin wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-students-unwelcome-in-California-towns-100180939.html

one example. Historically the irish were excluded from many jobs in the USA as per the famous slogan INNA (Irish need not apply) No Irish need apply is NOT an urban legend.
In the 1800's when Irish immigrants took up whole neighbourhoods in New York City, many business owners put up "No Irish need apply" signs up. Many business owners did not want Irish to apply, especially in New York City, because of the reputation they had as drinking loud mouths. Irish were also seen as dirty and disease ridden and it was a common belief that the potato blithe in the Great Potato Famine could be passed through humans and was a disease.
Also stories have been told that New York City newsboys often fought with each other and Italian and Jewish immigrants would scream "No Irish need apply" in teasing to the Irish boys.

Glad those days are gone, personally.

Shipped over on British vessels in squalid conditions without the basics to survive,with nowt in their pockets,hardly a few clothes to their name,having been coaxed from their land under false pretences,some say the lucky ones died before they arrived in the land of hope & glory given what many were met with once they arrived, much like another bunch plucked from their own lands and shipped across the sea.

summerskin wrote: »

i've not said the country is crap, i've said some of the people are. you can't seriously expect us to sit back and see all the bile spouted against england on the thread and not defend it in any way? Were the anti-british posts rude, or does that only work one way??

But you did, read back over what you posted,it's all there, and of course you have a right to defend yourself but 2 wrongs dont make a right, best not lower yourself to those standards,it only makes you come off worse.

Bigotry is bigotry no matter what flag you stand under,spouting misinformed 'facts' and /or opinions only adds to the bile.

EarlERizer wrote: »

I've always wondered where the 'Welsh' representation is on the British flag? I know the Georges cross & scottish flag is there but I dont see any green or dragon is it more subtle that it goes unnoticed.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Symbols/UnionJack.aspx

The Welsh dragon does not appear on the Union Flag. This is because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, the Principality of Wales by that time was already united with England and was no longer a separate principality.

Washout wrote: »

well I don't think its snobbery if the reason I don't want to wear it is because there are people in this country who might see me wearing it, take offence and proceed to attack me.

It isn't an anti British sentiment that I have

I was refering to your assumption that should you wear said garment in a locality such as Tallaght (in this case Kilnamanagh) that you would be lynched,implying that the area is some hot bed of knuckle dragging scum.

I've sat in a pub in Blackrock having sunday lunch with my kids,my son wearing an England jersey and almost came to blows with some well heeled ignorant arsehole locals passing remarks toward my son.

If your going to be met with some mindless crap because of what your wearing it wont be because of where you are but because of who you encounter!