Conditions in limerick prison

stupidusername · 17-01-2012 10:39PM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

"Limerick Prison" is an anagram of:-

"Lick Rim Or Penis"

i'll take Penis please bob.

I've no sympathy at all for prisoners. of all areas to have funding cut, that should be the first. special needs assistants...teachers....frontline healthcare workers... all being cut back, and we're talking about prisons needing to be cleaner. **** off

IM0 · 17-01-2012 10:40PM

Einhard wrote:

Call me crazy, but I believe that most people have the capacity to change, and prisons should be both a place that punishes people for their crimes, and seeks to rehabilitate them if possible. Rehabilitation, which benefits society in the long run, can't occur if we treat people like animals. Your way would see a prisoner released after ten years with no change in his outlook; my way wouldat least allow the possibility of his having changed his ways. But no, better to wallow in tabloid outrage and the cheap satisfaction that that brings, than actually think about the situation and address it.

IM0 wrote: »

give us some examples of the kinds of people you are talking about here and what they have done to end up in prison.

answer this or stfu

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:41PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The state still has a duty of care to prisoners AFAIK. It serves the interests of nobody that prisoners be kept in squalor.

If a prisoner gets ill from the conditions then it will fall back on the tax-payer to make him better again adding to the cost of incarceration.

So to the people saying 'let them rot' I say open your wallet and shut your mouth.

Awh bless

WindSock · 17-01-2012 10:41PM

Guill wrote: »

I would have thought that NOT going to a prison where they are treated like animals would be incentive.

Maybe we should raise the standard of the prison so they all have cushy cells with TV and Xbox and great food, maybe even regular parties and sports days, that'll be incentive for them.

Yeah prison is so cushy you see people literally queuing up to get in. I see chaps all the time committing crimes, waiting for the fuzz to show up and plead guilty in court. Can't get in there quick or often enough they can't.

Einhard · 17-01-2012 10:42PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows indeed

The sad thing about your attitude is that, even were conclusive evidence produced linking rehabilitation to reduced recidivism and thus reduced crime rates, it likely wouldn't change. You'd prefer to make prisons as hellish as possible rather than see improvements in recidivism rates through improvements in conditions.

Einhard · 17-01-2012 10:43PM

Guill wrote: »

I would have thought that NOT going to a prison where they are treated like animals would be incentive.

Maybe we should raise the standard of the prison so they all have cushy cells with TV and Xbox and great food, maybe even regular parties and sports days, that'll be incentive for them.

I think your tag says all that needs to be said about this post: Stupid post is stupid.

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:44PM

Einhard wrote: »

The sad thing about your attitude is that, even were conclusive evidence produced linking rehabilitation to reduced recidivism and thus reduced crime rates, it likely wouldn't change. You'd prefer to make prisons as hellish as possible rather than see improvements in recidivism rates through improvements in conditions.

Ill read that evidence if you have it handy, no bother

marienbad · 17-01-2012 10:45PM

Guill wrote: »

I would have thought that NOT going to a prison where they are treated like animals would be incentive.

Maybe we should raise the standard of the prison so they all have cushy cells with TV and Xbox and great food, maybe even regular parties and sports days, that'll be incentive for them.

Or we could have if you prefer chain gangs/hard labour/birching .

But why go from one extreme to the other ? Is it too much to expect that a prison cell should be clean and dry with fresh air and proper toilet facilities ?

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:46PM

WindSock wrote: »

Yeah prison is so cushy you see people literally queuing up to get in. I see chaps all the time committing crimes, waiting for the fuzz to show up and plead guilty in court. Can't get in there quick or often enough they can't.

What are you, 16? ''the fuzz'' :rolleyes:

Einhard · 17-01-2012 10:46PM

IM0 wrote: »

answer this or stfu

I'm talking about the empirical studies which show that some forms of rehabiliation in prisons reduces the incidence of prisoners resorting to crime once released. There are ample studies which back this up. If you're really interested in the topic, do a google search.

I'm not stating that prisons should be places of luxury. Indeed, I wrote that they should be places of punishment. But refusing to even attempt to rehabilitate people when we have the chance is idiotic. Why wouldn't we want to reduce crime rates?

Einhard · 17-01-2012 10:47PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Ill read that evidence if you have it handy, no bother

Yeah I have it handy...google it. How much more handy could it be? There's loads out there.

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:48PM

Einhard wrote: »

I'm talking about the empirical studies which show that some forms of rehabiliation in prisons reduces the incidence of prisoners resorting to crime once released. There are ample studies which back this up. If you're really interested in the topic, do a google search.

I'm not stating that prisons should be places of luxury. Indeed, I wrote that they should be places of punishment. But refusing to even attempt to rehabilitate people when we have the chance is idiotic. Why wouldn't we want to reduce crime rates?

Why didnt you just say that in the first place

WindSock · 17-01-2012 10:49PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows indeed

Meaning what?

fedor.2. wrote: »

What are you, 16? ''the fuzz'' :rolleyes:

Meaning what?

I didn't realise using slang terms were that juvenile...

Thanks for letting me know and making your argument in this thread more robust.

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:49PM

Einhard wrote: »

Yeah I have it handy...google it. How much more handy could it be? There's loads out there.

I want the ones you've read to be honest, i want to see where you're coming from

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:50PM

WindSock wrote: »

Meaning what?

Meaning what?

I didn't realise using slang terms were that juvenile...

Thanks for letting me know and making your argument in this thread more robust.

No worries kid

bertie4evr · 17-01-2012 10:50PM

bbam wrote: »

No, No, No...
This is not the chicken and the egg quandary... They're in there because they broke the law, they're not breaking the law because the prison is sh1t..

We shouldn't worry so much about what life on the inside is like but rather that people don't get sent down for soft crimes like TV license etc..

So what's the solution ??
Bigger rooms, wider screens, softer bunks, xbox and play station ??

What!? Fixing broken windows that fill the cells with rain and giving them a lick of paint, maybe improving the hygiene is the solution to this problem.

cocoshovel · 17-01-2012 10:51PM

I like how they still have to slop out in most Irish prisons. Im pretty sure this is something most of the Irish public are un aware of.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-01-2012 10:53PM

Shocking to think that their perfect gentleman like conduct, landed them in the midst of such a mire. How could this have happened?...Oh the injustice of it all.

Temptamperu · 17-01-2012 10:53PM

IM0 wrote: »

give us some examples of the kinds of people you are talking about here and what they have done to end up in prison.

He's obviously talking about the ones with neck tattoo's.

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:54PM

cocoshovel wrote: »

I like how they still have to slop out in most Irish prisons. Im pretty sure this is something most of the Irish public are un aware of.

Dont think it would bother most people to be honest

toexpress · 17-01-2012 10:55PM

You know regardless of what you think about people who commit crime they are humans as well. They deserve to expect the minimum standards of treatment that you and I might expect.

If we were to consider making Prisons centres of excellence in rehabilitation rather than in warehousing those who have done wrong maybe we could cut the rate of crime in the country. It's easy to point the finger but if we stepped up to the mark we might find some answers

paddy147 · 17-01-2012 10:56PM

I think prisons should be purposely let got to shyte.

Might make people think,before they commit the crime.

billybudd · 17-01-2012 10:56PM

Unless you have spent time in prison you would have no idea how horrible it is and how depressing of a place it is and how it has a massive effect on your mental ability, for sure tell them to rot inside as thats the punishment for doing crime but all it does is create life time criminals, basic hygnenic cells with basic infrastructure and a decent rehab facility should be the norm, its not and its why jails are usually 80% infested with drugs.

paddy147 · 17-01-2012 10:58PM

toexpress wrote: »

You know regardless of what you think about people who commit crime they are humans as well. They deserve to expect the minimum standards of treatment that you and I might expect.

If we were to consider making Prisons centres of excellence in rehabilitation rather than in warehousing those who have done wrong maybe we could cut the rate of crime in the country. It's easy to point the finger but if we stepped up to the mark we might find some answers

So while a criminal gets 3 hot meals a day,a lovely education and degree out of his time in jail,what does his victim get to look forward to??

A wheelchair and/or being brain dead for life???

Sindri · 17-01-2012 10:59PM

I want to hear from Harry Callahan.

EDIT

Whoever reported my sig is getting some amount of abuse layed at them.

That means you ye dirty lezzy.

fedor.2. · 17-01-2012 10:59PM

toexpress wrote: »

You know regardless of what you think about people who commit crime they are humans as well. They deserve to expect the minimum standards of treatment that you and I might expect.

If we were to consider making Prisons centres of excellence in rehabilitation rather than in warehousing those who have done wrong maybe we could cut the rate of crime in the country. It's easy to point the finger but if we stepped up to the mark we might find some answers

They should try and act like humans so. Its not our responsibility to ''find some answers'', its their responsibility to obey the law. There is only so many times you can use the ''i had a ****ty childhood'' excuse

Eric Cartman · 17-01-2012 11:00PM

smell of sewage

thatll be pa connors and his mates

Big_Evil · 17-01-2012 11:00PM

A mate of mine had a brother who did a spell in Lmk prison for 6 mths on a drugs charge. He wasnt the brains of the operation (he wouldnt be the brains of anything, let be honest) but was left carrying the can.

His take on his spell inside is quite an interesting contrast to the above: its not so much the general state of the place, broken windows and that, its more around the mind numbing idleness of it all along with the gang culture and vicious pecking order among the inmate inside there.

And, in my mind, one drives the other - petty arguments about trivial things become all out war, and gangs are pitched against gangs. Many inmates are more worried about watching their backs than having to empty out a bucket of $hite daily.

Potential simple enough solution here: give these fellas something to do - someone mentioned chain gangs: well chain these boys up in May and June and clear the nettles off narrow roads. Perform some sort of service to the community. A lick of paint wont break the country, but, prison is prison - let them slop out daily - just put an end to the idleness while they are inside, and you never know, some of these geezers might actually keep their noses clean once they are freed..

Guill · 17-01-2012 11:01PM

billybudd wrote: »

Unless you have spent time in prison you would have no idea how horrible it is and how depressing of a place it is and how it has a massive effect on your mental ability, for sure tell them to rot inside as thats the punishment for doing crime but all it does is create life time criminals, basic hygnenic cells with basic infrastructure and a decent rehab facility should be the norm, its not and its why jails are usually 80% infested with drugs.

This is where i struggle, if they are so depressing etc., why would someone consider becoming a life long criminal? Only to increase the chance of ending back in there?

I say leave the prisons as they are, show people that these are horrible places but make sure that there is proper rehab available, which the article does not mention, and when the criminals get out a proper system of monitoring, rehab and integration back into society is needed.

billybudd · 17-01-2012 11:02PM

paddy147 wrote: »

So while a criminal gets 3 hot meals a day,a lovely education and degree out of his time in jail,what does his victim get to look forward to??

A wheelchair and/or being brain dead for life???

A valid argument.

But where does it end? its hardly a deterrent at this stage, surely after 100's of years of prisons and populations of prisons increasing and not decreasing its time to consider new better options to try and change the mentality of criminals?

Conditions in limerick prison

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