Manny Pacquiao v Alexis Arguello at 135lbs - who wins

cowzerp · 13-01-2012 10:57PM

walshb wrote: »

The problem I see for Alexis here is that his defense and feet just are not good enough to see him win this. Against Pryor it was a case of landing one and eating two and three, consistently so. Manny is as fast as Pryor, as heavy handed, has the feet, speed and angles to consistently attack from all angles. He aslo has the engine to do it for 12 rds, AND, he takes a great shot too. He is more complete than Alexis. Manny sees an opening, and he will, he will attack every bit as much and every bit as ferocious as Pryor. Bad style for Alexis.

Manny is fast, hard, fit, tough, versatile, great feet, very good chin. All bad for Arguello.

I agree with all this.

walshb · 13-01-2012 10:58PM

cowzerp wrote: »

I agree with all this.

You've made my day, mate!;)

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 12:29PM

IMO arguello definitely wins this.....he has the power, the boxing ability, the height and range and excellent inside fighting as well as fighting from the distance....

for pacman to get inside to land his fast combos he would first have to get past arguello's long right hand and devastating uppercuts....if pacman got to the inside i would rate arguello as one of the best inside fighters and much better than pacman....pacman is not really an inside fighter.....he's a mid range fighter.....unless he got inside arguello would hit him and he would be unable to reach arguello so he would be forced to go on the inside where arguello has the superior skills

pryor was a natural LWW who beat arguello at the end of hir career and at a weight much past his optimim weight.......Pryor hit a lot harder than Pacman at LWW and had equal speed

At FW, SFW and LW i would have arguello winning

possibly at LWW and WW the edge might go to pacman as he seems to grow into the weights better

tysonslovechild · 14-01-2012 01:25PM

tryingmybestt wrote: »

ok

as i begged you previously to do and that is stay on topic

why are you mentioning mosley, JCC etc.?

the topic is manny v arguello !

you seem to be diverting from topic to try and make your point

stick to the subject please

lads all over the boxing forums you two are havin your own little sparrin match. Whats the point. The op asked a question about pacquaio v arguello. Arguing over who said what is pointless.

Anyway my two cents, Arguello wins this, dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 01:31PM

tysonslovechild wrote: »

lads all over the boxing forums you two are havin your own little sparrin match. Whats the point. The op asked a question about pacquaio v arguello. Arguing over who said what is pointless.

Anyway my two cents, Arguello wins this, dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

totally agree...

P.S. to me its not arguing, more debating

no harm in both having strong opinions

walshb · 14-01-2012 01:47PM

tysonslovechild wrote: »

lads all over the boxing forums you two are havin your own little sparrin match. Whats the point. The op asked a question about pacquaio v arguello. Arguing over who said what is pointless.

Anyway my two cents, Arguello wins this, dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

Can I ask, politely, how can someone "definitely" win a fantasy match?

If so, why have the match?

Arguello winning would not suprise me too much. But, I would have to lean with Manny, again, nothing definite, just my view.

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 02:13PM

Arguello had the much better defence than manny.....i don't think he took 3 to land 1 against pryor....that was a very close fight...

arguello doesn't need very fast feet against manny as he has such good timing and a long reach that he can often land at a time whn manny can't....

arguello's power was devastating and he had excellent body shots....

manny could be hurt to the body and i think arguello's superior power would yield a ko in the middle rounds....arguello's left hook to the body was first class...

he would land long right hands from the outside and fast powerful uppercuts as manny came in

his style is all wrong for manny

walshb · 14-01-2012 02:27PM

I have that Pryor fight on video; one of the best action fights ever. Looked to me like Pryor was well outlanding throughout. Didn't see it as close, not in terms of landed punches anyway.

Manny's style is all wrong for Alexis.

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 04:10PM

it was a very close fight, nip and tuck all the way....arguello had pryor on unsteady legs at times during the fight....

thats probably arguello's most famous fight but you can't judge him on a fight that wasn't his best weight and was at the tail end of his career.....also pryor was one of the best LWW's ever....

arguello is a ring magazine p4p fighter...rated 20th best puncher of all time and 20th best fighter of last 80 years......he was pure class, so much more versatile than manny

walshb · 14-01-2012 06:23PM

Maybe I was being too generous to Pryor. I watched the fight again, and 3-1 is too generous, but he was as far as I could see clearly landing more shots, and consistently so. Arguello had some big moments, plenty of other moments, and fought his ass off giving a fabulous performance. I saw it as a UD win, no real closeness in my view. Pryor was better throughout.

Also, saying Pryor hit "a lot" harder than Manny? Again, how is that possible to actually know? Possible it is, absolutely, but Manny had rapid fast and sharp and powerful shots at LW and LWW. Do you mean that "you think" he did, or are you telling us that he did? I will argue and say that Manny's KO shot and punch power at >135 and < 140 is every bit as impressive as Pryor at the equivalent weights. That is not a fact, just my view. I could be wrong, hence I am not stating this view as a fact.

All in all I stand by my post from last night. #31.

tysonslovechild · 14-01-2012 06:39PM

walshb wrote: »

Can I ask, politely, how can someone "definitely" win a fantasy match?

If so, why have the match?

Arguello winning would not suprise me too much. But, I would have to lean with Manny, again, nothing definite, just my view.

I never said definitely , I have the view that arguello wins , thats it, just my opinion aswell. Just accept it and discuss what the OP asked.

walshb · 14-01-2012 06:45PM

tysonslovechild wrote: »

I never said definitely , I have the view that arguello wins , thats it, just my opinion aswell. Just accept it and discuss what the OP asked.

I do accept your view that Alexis wins. Not trying to change your mind there. No issue at all with it. You said, and I quote, "dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision."

I was just wondering how in a fantasy fight, someone can definitely win?

Just a simple question, and the reason I asked was because I find it bizarre that someone can defintely know something that is fantasy. I suppose it's analagous to someone saying that Foreman "definitely" hit harder than Tyson, or Louis, These questions are not provable either way, for either man.

We are discussing what the OP asked.

tysonslovechild · 14-01-2012 07:08PM

walshb wrote: »

I do accept your view that Alexis wins. Not trying to change your mind there. No issue at all with it. You said, and I quote, "dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

I was just wondering how in a fantasy fight, someone can definitely win?

Just a simple question, and the reason I asked was because I find it bizarre that someone can defintely know something that is fantasy. I suppose it's analagous to someone saying that Foreman "definitely" hit harder than Tyson, or Louis, These questions are not provable either way, for either man.
what i mean by definite was that he wont stop pacquaio. Pacs chin is one of the best in the game. Stop nit picking please. If i said he would win and i actually do think he would definitely anyway. whats wrong with me saying that nothing whatsoever. just the same as you saying pac would win ive no problem with that. So what if anyone saying someone beats someone else definitely whether in a fantasy match or whatever else. Honestly leave it alone. Youd find an argument in an empty room. This is a boxing forum with shared opinions, not for people to dissect peoples comments for the sake of trying to sound intelligent

As I said arguello to win

Great match up anyway OP

walshb · 14-01-2012 07:14PM

tysonslovechild wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

I do accept your view that Alexis wins. Not trying to change your mind there. No issue at all with it. You said, and I quote, "dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

I was just wondering how in a fantasy fight, someone can definitely win?

Just a simple question, and the reason I asked was because I find it bizarre that someone can defintely know something that is fantasy. I suppose it's analagous to someone saying that Foreman "definitely" hit harder than Tyson, or Louis, These questions are not provable either way, for either man.
what i mean by definite was that he wont stop pacquaio. Pacs chin is one of the best in the game. Stop nit picking please. If i said he would win and i actually do think he would definitely anyway. whats wrong with me saying that nothing whatsoever. just the same as you saying pac would win ive no problem with that. So what if anyone saying someone beats someone else definitely whether in a fantasy match or whatever else. Honestly leave it alone. Youd find an argument in an empty room. This is a boxing forum with shared opinions, not for people to dissect peoples comments for the sake of trying to sound intelligent

As I said arguello to win

Great match up anyway OP

Oh, so you meant definitely he wouldn't stop Manny. Fair enough, but what you wrote was not saying that, it was written to mean "definitely an unanimous decision." Had you written "definitely don't think he's stopping Manny, but a unanimous win," I would not have asked you to clarify. I am not a mind reader. Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, I asked a polite question, just to be clear, not to antagonise/argue with you. I have never had beef with you. Had you asked me that question I would have read it and interpreted it as such, a polite question.

Alexis to win is fine by me. I would only be 60/40 for Manny. Great scrap either way.

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 08:20PM

walshb wrote: »

tysonslovechild wrote: »

Oh, so you meant definitely he wouldn't stop Manny. Fair enough, but what you wrote was not saying that, it was written to mean "definitely an unanimous decision." Had you written "definitely don't think he's stopping Manny, but a unanimous win," I would not have asked you to clarify. I am not a mind reader. Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, I asked a polite question, just to be clear, not to antagonise/argue with you. I have never had beef with you. Had you asked me that question I would have read it and interpreted it as such, a polite question.

Alexis to win is fine by me. I would only be 60/40 for Manny. Great scrap either way.

if he says 'definitely' it means he definitely believes that or thats definitely his opinion !!!

why are you twisting things and trying to say he's saying it's fact??

walshb · 14-01-2012 08:23PM

tryingmybestt wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

if he says 'definitely' it means he definitely believes that or thats definitely his opinion !!!

why are you twisting things and trying to say he's saying it's fact??

Nothing to do with you, question was asked to the poster.

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 08:28PM

walshb wrote: »

Maybe I was being too generous to Pryor. I watched the fight again, and 3-1 is too generous, but he was as far as I could see clearly landing more shots, and consistently so. Arguello had some big moments, plenty of other moments, and fought his ass off giving a fabulous performance. I saw it as a UD win, no real closeness in my view.

how did u see it as a UD when both fights ended early?

u obviously didnt watch the fight till the end, this fight that you have on video lol

walshb · 14-01-2012 08:29PM

tryingmybestt wrote: »

how did u see it as a UD when both fights ended early?

u obviously didnt watch the fight till the end, this fight that you have on video lol

Damn, you got me. I know, it was a 14th Rd KO, my bad. Genuine error.

13 Rds complete I saw Pryor as being ahead, and in my view, comfortably as regards landed punches.

Why do you follow me if really cricket is the sport I should be involved in?

tryingmybestt · 14-01-2012 08:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Damn, you got me. I know, it was a 14th Rd KO, my bad. Genuine error.

13 Rds complete I saw Pryor as being ahead, and in my view, comfortably as regards landed punches.

Why do you follow me if really cricket is the sport I should be involved in?

hahaha this is the fight that you made such a point out of having it on video and you've never watched it hahahahah

walshb · 14-01-2012 08:33PM

tryingmybestt wrote: »

hahaha this is the fight that you made such a point out of having it on video and you've never watched it hahahahah

I know, video, I am so in the dark ages.

Manny Pacquiao v Alexis Arguello at 135lbs - who wins

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