Manny Pacquiao v Alexis Arguello at 135lbs - who wins

tryingmybestt

what a great match up....

pacman versus the explosive thin man...

arguello is one of my top 5 favourite fighters of all time....

arguello was great on the outside, great on the inside, great power, timing and accuracy....

pacquiao is awesome, endless energy, speed and power

below is my initial analysis before i make my decision:

Speed: - advantage pacqiao....pacman is noticeably faster
Size and strength: - advantage arguello...a monster at the weight - 5ft 10 and 72 inch reach
Footwork: - advantage pacman, pacman had some of the best feet ever
Power: - advantage arguello....arguello had explosive power....he punched through the target...his long right hand and his uppercuts on the inside were his best punches
Heart: - equal
Chin: - advantage pacman, although arguello had a good chin
Fitness: - equal
Stamina: - equal
Defence: - advantage arguello...he was excellent with the slips and rolls
Inside fighting: - big advantage to arguello
Combination punching: - advantage pacman although arguello was good
Technique: - clear advantage to arguello, had great control and technique
Body punching: - advantage arguello, more dedicated to the body

It would be a great fight while it lasted, it would be an absolute war

I would pick arguello to win by ko in the middle rounds....Arguello had a great ability to fight at high intensity but remain composed and controlled and maintaining excellent technique

Who do you pick and why ???????

walshb

Manny

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Manny

if i say black you say white lol


ok this time be precise and explain your reasoning please

and dont go off on a tangent when people question your reasoning

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

if i say black you say white lol


ok this time be precise and explain your reasoning please

and dont go off on a tangent when people question your reasoning

No, because you misquoting me is becoming a bit of a habit.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

No, because you misquoting me is becoming a bit of a habit.

i'd say its because you can't back it up

arguello is in a different class...one of the best ever p4p

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

i'd say its because you can't back it up

arguello is in a different class...one of the best ever p4p

Maybe

And, why post matches if an opposing view gets to you so much? You seem to know who wins this "fantasy match."

I will tease you a little....;)

Manny at 140-147? Too fast, tough, versatile, hard hitting and non stop for Alexis. The key is speed and feet. Manny's are better.

You did not specify an weight, did you?
Edit edit edit:

At 135 lbs, oooh, Toss up. All I have to go on is Manny vs. Diaz.

Ok, again, Manny too good for reasons above.

Speedsters like Oscar, Mosley and Pea and Manny, who were so tough and versatile are to me a nightmare for a fighter like Alexis.

I also back JCC over Alexis at 135 and 140.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Maybe

And, why post matches if an opposing view gets to you so much? You seem to know who wins this "fantasy match."

I will tease you a little....;)

Manny at 140-147? Too fast, tough, versatile, hard hitting and non stop for Alexis. The key is speed and feet. Manny's are better.

You did not specify an weight, did you?

i clearly said 135lbs as the topic !!!!!

opposing views dont bother me at all....thats the whole point of this, to hear other peoples opinions

once again you put words in peoples mouth...how could i know who wins?

i have an opinion who wins

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

i clearly said 135lbs as the topic !!!!!

opposing views dont bother me at all....thats the whole point of this, to hear other peoples opinions

once again you put words in peoples mouth...how could i know who wins?

i have an opinion who wins

Check my edited post....Apologies.....

When you reply on this, the thread tile does not appear. Hence I did not see the weight.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Check my edited post....Apologies.....

When you reply on this, the thread tile does not appear. Hence I did not see the weight.

ok

as i begged you previously to do and that is stay on topic

why are you mentioning mosley, JCC etc.?

the topic is manny v arguello !

you seem to be diverting from topic to try and make your point

stick to the subject please

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

i clearly said 135lbs as the topic !!!!!

opposing views dont bother me at all....thats the whole point of this, to hear other peoples opinions

once again you put words in peoples mouth...how could i know who wins?

i have an opinion who wins

You saying/stating Alexis was in a different class sort of implies that this is pointless. If he is in a different class, why debate the match?

So, if Alexis is as you say, in a different class, then I guess Manny has no chance.

I am with you now, Alexis wins.

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

ok

as i begged you previously to do and that is stay on topic

why are you mentioning mosley, JCC etc.?

the topic is manny v arguello !

you seem to be diverting from topic to try and make your point

stick to the subject please

Ok, I am out.

Please tell me why one cannot include any names apart from Manny and Alexis.

Really, this is silly silly silly.

I used the names to back up that speedsters with toughness and skill are IMO wrong for Alexis.

You post a thread, and because I mention other names, I get criticised?

Out!

Manny beats Argello; end of.

Sorry I also said others could beat him, sorry!

You are absoluetely spoiling for an argument, not a debate. Shame really.

If I wasn't respondin to your multiple threads, who would?

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Maybe

Manny at 140-147? Too fast, tough, versatile, hard hitting and non stop for Alexis. The key is speed and feet. Manny's are better.

i clearly acknowledged manny is faster and has better feet

arguello is definitely hitting harder than manny

versatile?? manny is one dimensional, he moves around and steps in with fast combos......arguello could do it all, box, punch, defence

manny is easily hit....his main defence is to move with his feet....on the inside he is open to arguello's hooks and uppercuts....on the outside arguello keeps him on the end of the long right and manny cant reach him with his short arms...

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Ok, I am out.

Please tell me why one cannot include any names apart from Manny and Alexis.

Really, this is silly silly silly.

I sues the names to back up that speedsters with toughness and skill are IMO wrong for Alexis.

You post a thread, and because I mention other names, I get criticised?

Out!

Manny beats Argello; end of.

Sorry I also said others could beat him, sorry!

the question is who would win manny or arguello

you feel manny would win and you explain this by saying other fighters would beat arguello????????????? doesnt make sense

seriously think about your logic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

the question is who would win manny or arguello

you feel manny would win and you explain this by saying other fighters would beat arguello????????????? doesnt make sense

seriously think about your logic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my god.

Manny IMO beats Arguello, what is so difficult to understand with this.

In said sorry I used other names.

I think he wins because he is better, and I think his feet and speed are key.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Oh my god.

Manny IMO beats Arguello, what is so difficult to understand with this.

In said sorry I used other names.

I think he wins because he is better, and I think his feet and speed are key.

thats fine....all i asked was you explain why manny beats arguello

saying what other fighters beat arguello is not really relevant IMO

when you said power and versatility i disagreed for reasons i stated already and i already said in first post manny was faster of hand and foot

if i disagree with you its not a personal attach, the point of a debate is ppl question the reasoning of opposing views....

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

thats fine....all i asked was you explain why manny beats arguello

saying what other fighters beat arguello is not really relevant IMO

when you said power and versatility i disagreed for reasons i stated already and i already said in first post manny was faster of hand and foot

if i disagree with you its not a personal attach, the point of a debate is ppl question the reasoning of opposing views....

Can you hear me out for a second.

Are you saying that when you post a match, that if someone brings in any other name apart from the two in the thread, that this is always irrelevant? BTW, that is a question above, a question.

Please state this in your rules.

I think Manny wins for the reasons I gave. **** sake, I happened to say that speedsters and tough speedters with skill also IMO beat Arguello, and then I innocently named some, and it causes this.

Can you not see how this is not going to work, if you are going to be side-tracking the debate/thread?

tryingmybestt

as an amateur arguello had 48 ko's in 58 wins.....truly amazing record for amateur

he carried his power to the pro ranks and garnered the nick name 'explosive thin man' for his skinny lanky frame and devastating power

IMO prob the greatest super featherweight of all time...toss up between him and JCC

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

as an amateur arguello had 48 ko's in 58 wins.....truly amazing record for amateur

he carried his power to the pro ranks and garnered the nick name 'explosive thin man' for his skinny lanky frame and devastating power

IMO prob the greatest super featherweight of all time...toss up between him and JCC

Hey, what has JCC got to do with it, see how this is annoying?

I am joking by the way.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Can you hear me out for a second.

Are you saying that when you post a match, that if someone brings in any other name apart from the two in the thread, that this is always irrelevant?
BTW, that is a question above, a question.

Please state this in your rules.

I think Manny wins for the reasons I gave. **** sake, I happened to say that speedsters and tough speedters with skill also IMO beat Arguellos, and theN i INNOCENTLY named some, and it causes this???

Can you not see how this is not going to work, if you are going to be side-tracking the debate/thread?

whats the relevance of naming fighters arguello never fought to prove he would have trouble with manny's speed?? i don't get it

once again your twisting things....of course ppl can mention other fighters in posts but the question was would arguello beat manny.....you mentioniong other fighters you think would beat arguello bears no relevance!!

if you think arguello would have trouble with mannys speed then give example of fighters he actually fought and proved this.....wheres the relevance of naming fighters he didnt fight??? how does that solidify your point of view???

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

whats the relevance of naming fighters arguello never fought to prove he would have trouble with manny's speed?? i don't get it

once again your twisting things....of course ppl can mention other fighters in posts but the question was would arguello beat manny.....you mentioniong other fighters you think would beat arguello bears no relevance!!

if you think arguello would have trouble with mannys speed then give example of fighters he actually fought and proved this.....wheres the relevance of naming fighters he didnt fight??? how does that solidify your point of view???

Ok, I will use those names when you select those specific fanatsy fights, that ok?

Again, it's a fantasy fight, and if it deviates and takes certain courses, and that annoys you then I think it's best I leave well alone.

Pryor's combination of power, speed, angles caused Alexis trouble. I think Manny's combination of speed, power, feet, and versatility cause him trouble.

BTW, Manny has never fought Alexis, am I allowed use Manny in this debate?;)

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Ok, I will use those names when you select those specific fanatsy fights, that ok?

Again, it's a fantasy fight, and if it deviates and takes certain courses, and that annoys you then I think it's best I leave well alone.

Pryor's combination of power, speed, angles caused Alexis trouble. I think Manny's combination of speed, power, feet, and versatility cause him trouble.

BTW, Manny has never fought Alexis, am I allowed use Manny in this debate?;)

your replies are almost childish

of course naming another fighter that is relevant is fine

you were in the process of explaining why arguello would lose to manny and you start naming fighters that would beat arguello that never fought....i don't see the relevance

pryor beat arguelo at 140lbs.....arguello was best at 126lbs and 130lbs......arguello was at the end of his career and pryor was one of the best LWW's ever.....also i feel pryor would brutalise manny

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

your replies are almost childish

I AM CHILDISH? I mention a few names, innocently, you have a hissy fit, and I am childish..Ok.

Manny still to win.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

I AM CHILDISH? I mention a few names, innocently, you have a hissy fit, and I am childish..Ok.

Manny still to win.

i dont think i mentioned childish because you mentioned other fighters.....you say that because it makes the statement seem ridiculous

i said childish because of your subsequent responses.....i'm purely debating my point and when i question you reasoning you take it as a personal attack :eek:

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

i dont think i mentioned childish because you mentioned other fighters.....you say that because it makes the statement seem ridiculous

i said childish because of your subsequent responses.....i'm purely debating my point and when i question you reasoning you take it as a personal attack :eek:

Not at all.

I said let's start fresh, you seem not to want to. So, if my responses get to you, confuse you, or cause contradiction, don't debate with me.

You know, you started a heap of threads that would not have got the time of day was it not for me. Maybe your future threads won't be as busy now.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Not at all.

I said let's start fresh, you seem not to want to. So, if my responses get to you, confuse you, or cause contradiction, don't debate with me.

You know, you started a heap of threads that would not have got the time of day was it not for me. Maybe your future threads won't be as busy now.

i wanted to start afresh and i hoped you would debate fairly

WOW you so SELF CENTRED you feel the success of ones posts centres around the great walshb.......wow talk about delusional !!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: you say not childish??:D

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

i wanted to start afresh and i hoped you would debate fairly

WOW you so SELF CENTRED you feel the success of ones posts centres around the great walshb.......wow talk about delusional !!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: you say not childish??:D

Why insult me, and then use those silly faces?

Please, set out what constitutes fairly? Then at least I will know I won't annoy or irritate you, otherwise, I will simply one word respond. Fair?

BTW, only me and you have responded on this, and most of the time it's arguing.

Leave it. I will.

Brad Goodman

Jesus lads leave it out. It's tedious.

walshb

Brad Goodman wrote: »

Jesus lads leave it out. It's tedious.

I'm toast

BTW, who do you think wins?;)

Brad Goodman

For the record I think that the Manny who destroyed De la Hoya, Hatton and Cotto would do the same to Arguello. I know he was a jr. welterweight/welterweight then but he weighed no more than 145 and could easily have stayed at 135 if the big fights and money were there.

cowzerp

Seriously lads, and both of you's this is aimed at

it's like you's want to win the debate and an argument, this thread is more about who's opinion is better, Walshb or trymybest-my recommendation is simple, if 1 of you's feel that the debate is not working stop debating with the other, the other option is put each other on ignore.

Difference of opinion is cool but watching you 2 argue is not.

walshb

Brad Goodman wrote: »

For the record I think that the Manny who destroyed De la Hoya, Hatton and Cotto would do the same to Arguello. I know he was a jr. welterweight/welterweight then but he weighed no more than 145 and could easily have stayed at 135 if the big fights and money were there.

The problem I see for Alexis here is that his defense and feet just are not good enough to see him win this. Against Pryor it was a case of landing one and eating two and three, consistently so. Manny is as fast as Pryor, as heavy handed, has the feet, speed and angles to consistently attack from all angles. He aslo has the engine to do it for 12 rds, AND, he takes a great shot too. He is more complete than Alexis. Manny sees an opening, and he will, he will attack every bit as much and every bit as ferocious as Pryor. Bad style for Alexis.

Manny is fast, hard, fit, tough, versatile, great feet, very good chin. All bad for Arguello.

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

The problem I see for Alexis here is that his defense and feet just are not good enough to see him win this. Against Pryor it was a case of landing one and eating two and three, consistently so. Manny is as fast as Pryor, as heavy handed, has the feet, speed and angles to consistently attack from all angles. He aslo has the engine to do it for 12 rds, AND, he takes a great shot too. He is more complete than Alexis. Manny sees an opening, and he will, he will attack every bit as much and every bit as ferocious as Pryor. Bad style for Alexis.

Manny is fast, hard, fit, tough, versatile, great feet, very good chin. All bad for Arguello.

I agree with all this.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

I agree with all this.

You've made my day, mate!;)

tryingmybestt

IMO arguello definitely wins this.....he has the power, the boxing ability, the height and range and excellent inside fighting as well as fighting from the distance....

for pacman to get inside to land his fast combos he would first have to get past arguello's long right hand and devastating uppercuts....if pacman got to the inside i would rate arguello as one of the best inside fighters and much better than pacman....pacman is not really an inside fighter.....he's a mid range fighter.....unless he got inside arguello would hit him and he would be unable to reach arguello so he would be forced to go on the inside where arguello has the superior skills

pryor was a natural LWW who beat arguello at the end of hir career and at a weight much past his optimim weight.......Pryor hit a lot harder than Pacman at LWW and had equal speed

At FW, SFW and LW i would have arguello winning

possibly at LWW and WW the edge might go to pacman as he seems to grow into the weights better

tysonslovechild

tryingmybestt wrote: »

ok

as i begged you previously to do and that is stay on topic

why are you mentioning mosley, JCC etc.?

the topic is manny v arguello !

you seem to be diverting from topic to try and make your point

stick to the subject please

lads all over the boxing forums you two are havin your own little sparrin match. Whats the point. The op asked a question about pacquaio v arguello. Arguing over who said what is pointless.

Anyway my two cents, Arguello wins this, dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

tryingmybestt

tysonslovechild wrote: »

lads all over the boxing forums you two are havin your own little sparrin match. Whats the point. The op asked a question about pacquaio v arguello. Arguing over who said what is pointless.

Anyway my two cents, Arguello wins this, dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

totally agree...

P.S. to me its not arguing, more debating

no harm in both having strong opinions

walshb

tysonslovechild wrote: »

lads all over the boxing forums you two are havin your own little sparrin match. Whats the point. The op asked a question about pacquaio v arguello. Arguing over who said what is pointless.

Anyway my two cents, Arguello wins this, dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

Can I ask, politely, how can someone "definitely" win a fantasy match?

If so, why have the match?

Arguello winning would not suprise me too much. But, I would have to lean with Manny, again, nothing definite, just my view.

tryingmybestt

Arguello had the much better defence than manny.....i don't think he took 3 to land 1 against pryor....that was a very close fight...

arguello doesn't need very fast feet against manny as he has such good timing and a long reach that he can often land at a time whn manny can't....

arguello's power was devastating and he had excellent body shots....

manny could be hurt to the body and i think arguello's superior power would yield a ko in the middle rounds....arguello's left hook to the body was first class...

he would land long right hands from the outside and fast powerful uppercuts as manny came in

his style is all wrong for manny

walshb

I have that Pryor fight on video; one of the best action fights ever. Looked to me like Pryor was well outlanding throughout. Didn't see it as close, not in terms of landed punches anyway.

Manny's style is all wrong for Alexis.

tryingmybestt

it was a very close fight, nip and tuck all the way....arguello had pryor on unsteady legs at times during the fight....

thats probably arguello's most famous fight but you can't judge him on a fight that wasn't his best weight and was at the tail end of his career.....also pryor was one of the best LWW's ever....

arguello is a ring magazine p4p fighter...rated 20th best puncher of all time and 20th best fighter of last 80 years......he was pure class, so much more versatile than manny

walshb

Maybe I was being too generous to Pryor. I watched the fight again, and 3-1 is too generous, but he was as far as I could see clearly landing more shots, and consistently so. Arguello had some big moments, plenty of other moments, and fought his ass off giving a fabulous performance. I saw it as a UD win, no real closeness in my view. Pryor was better throughout.

Also, saying Pryor hit "a lot" harder than Manny? Again, how is that possible to actually know? Possible it is, absolutely, but Manny had rapid fast and sharp and powerful shots at LW and LWW. Do you mean that "you think" he did, or are you telling us that he did? I will argue and say that Manny's KO shot and punch power at >135 and < 140 is every bit as impressive as Pryor at the equivalent weights. That is not a fact, just my view. I could be wrong, hence I am not stating this view as a fact.

All in all I stand by my post from last night. #31.

tysonslovechild

walshb wrote: »

Can I ask, politely, how can someone "definitely" win a fantasy match?

If so, why have the match?

Arguello winning would not suprise me too much. But, I would have to lean with Manny, again, nothing definite, just my view.

I never said definitely , I have the view that arguello wins , thats it, just my opinion aswell. Just accept it and discuss what the OP asked.

walshb

tysonslovechild wrote: »

I never said definitely , I have the view that arguello wins , thats it, just my opinion aswell. Just accept it and discuss what the OP asked.

I do accept your view that Alexis wins. Not trying to change your mind there. No issue at all with it. You said, and I quote, "dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision."

I was just wondering how in a fantasy fight, someone can definitely win?

Just a simple question, and the reason I asked was because I find it bizarre that someone can defintely know something that is fantasy. I suppose it's analagous to someone saying that Foreman "definitely" hit harder than Tyson, or Louis, These questions are not provable either way, for either man.

We are discussing what the OP asked.

tysonslovechild

walshb wrote: »

I do accept your view that Alexis wins. Not trying to change your mind there. No issue at all with it. You said, and I quote, "dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

I was just wondering how in a fantasy fight, someone can definitely win?

Just a simple question, and the reason I asked was because I find it bizarre that someone can defintely know something that is fantasy. I suppose it's analagous to someone saying that Foreman "definitely" hit harder than Tyson, or Louis, These questions are not provable either way, for either man.
what i mean by definite was that he wont stop pacquaio. Pacs chin is one of the best in the game. Stop nit picking please. If i said he would win and i actually do think he would definitely anyway. whats wrong with me saying that nothing whatsoever. just the same as you saying pac would win ive no problem with that. So what if anyone saying someone beats someone else definitely whether in a fantasy match or whatever else. Honestly leave it alone. Youd find an argument in an empty room. This is a boxing forum with shared opinions, not for people to dissect peoples comments for the sake of trying to sound intelligent

As I said arguello to win

Great match up anyway OP

walshb

tysonslovechild wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

I do accept your view that Alexis wins. Not trying to change your mind there. No issue at all with it. You said, and I quote, "dont think hes stoppin pac but definitley an unaminous decision.

I was just wondering how in a fantasy fight, someone can definitely win?

Just a simple question, and the reason I asked was because I find it bizarre that someone can defintely know something that is fantasy. I suppose it's analagous to someone saying that Foreman "definitely" hit harder than Tyson, or Louis, These questions are not provable either way, for either man.
what i mean by definite was that he wont stop pacquaio. Pacs chin is one of the best in the game. Stop nit picking please. If i said he would win and i actually do think he would definitely anyway. whats wrong with me saying that nothing whatsoever. just the same as you saying pac would win ive no problem with that. So what if anyone saying someone beats someone else definitely whether in a fantasy match or whatever else. Honestly leave it alone. Youd find an argument in an empty room. This is a boxing forum with shared opinions, not for people to dissect peoples comments for the sake of trying to sound intelligent

As I said arguello to win

Great match up anyway OP

Oh, so you meant definitely he wouldn't stop Manny. Fair enough, but what you wrote was not saying that, it was written to mean "definitely an unanimous decision." Had you written "definitely don't think he's stopping Manny, but a unanimous win," I would not have asked you to clarify. I am not a mind reader. Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, I asked a polite question, just to be clear, not to antagonise/argue with you. I have never had beef with you. Had you asked me that question I would have read it and interpreted it as such, a polite question.

Alexis to win is fine by me. I would only be 60/40 for Manny. Great scrap either way.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

tysonslovechild wrote: »

Oh, so you meant definitely he wouldn't stop Manny. Fair enough, but what you wrote was not saying that, it was written to mean "definitely an unanimous decision." Had you written "definitely don't think he's stopping Manny, but a unanimous win," I would not have asked you to clarify. I am not a mind reader. Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, I asked a polite question, just to be clear, not to antagonise/argue with you. I have never had beef with you. Had you asked me that question I would have read it and interpreted it as such, a polite question.

Alexis to win is fine by me. I would only be 60/40 for Manny. Great scrap either way.

if he says 'definitely' it means he definitely believes that or thats definitely his opinion !!!

why are you twisting things and trying to say he's saying it's fact??

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

if he says 'definitely' it means he definitely believes that or thats definitely his opinion !!!

why are you twisting things and trying to say he's saying it's fact??

Nothing to do with you, question was asked to the poster.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Maybe I was being too generous to Pryor. I watched the fight again, and 3-1 is too generous, but he was as far as I could see clearly landing more shots, and consistently so. Arguello had some big moments, plenty of other moments, and fought his ass off giving a fabulous performance. I saw it as a UD win, no real closeness in my view.

how did u see it as a UD when both fights ended early?

u obviously didnt watch the fight till the end, this fight that you have on video lol

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

how did u see it as a UD when both fights ended early?

u obviously didnt watch the fight till the end, this fight that you have on video lol

Damn, you got me. I know, it was a 14th Rd KO, my bad. Genuine error.

13 Rds complete I saw Pryor as being ahead, and in my view, comfortably as regards landed punches.

Why do you follow me if really cricket is the sport I should be involved in?

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Damn, you got me. I know, it was a 14th Rd KO, my bad. Genuine error.

13 Rds complete I saw Pryor as being ahead, and in my view, comfortably as regards landed punches.

Why do you follow me if really cricket is the sport I should be involved in?

hahaha this is the fight that you made such a point out of having it on video and you've never watched it hahahahah

walshb

tryingmybestt wrote: »

hahaha this is the fight that you made such a point out of having it on video and you've never watched it hahahahah

I know, video, I am so in the dark ages.