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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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  • #7172
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    The paper, J C.

    Debunk it. It won't go away if you try to ignore it. Besides, you promised. Or are you an oathbreaker? Your bible has some pretty unambiguous things to say about breaking promises.

    Debunk it or apologise for all the ridiculously misinformed crap you've been posting since you got here.


  • #7173
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    The paper, J C.

    Debunk it. It won't go away if you try to ignore it. Besides, you promised. Or are you an oathbreaker? Your bible has some pretty unambiguous things to say about breaking promises.
    The Bible actually has pretty unambiguous things to say about oath takers !!!

    Matthew 5:36-37
    New International Version (NIV)

    36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.


  • #7174
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    ... would that be the same loving god who has a tendency to smite anyone who disobeys him?
    ... that is the perfect justice aspect to Him.

    ... I prefer to avail of His perfect mercy myself ... but whatever you're having yourself!!!:eek:


  • #7175
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Laugh at evolution all you like, until you throw up some proof for your arguments, the rest of us are going to have the last laugh ;)
    CFSI ... :)

    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yes, the whole 'popped magically into existence' school of thought is much more probable.
    I'm not into 'The Big Bang' myself either!!!!:pac:
    Mbeep ... Mbeep!!!:cool:

    ... that must be at least 9 - 0 in favour of Creation !!!


  • #7176
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Exacting vengeance on anyone who disagrees with you isn't perfect justice, it's acting like a child throwing his toys out of the pram.
    Exacting vengence on everyone who deserves it ... is Justice in action!!!
    ... its what is done in the Law Courts every day of the week!!!
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The paper?
    You first ...:)


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  • #7177
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    J C must be getting desperate: none of his usual methods of evasion - changing the subject, ignoring the question, answering questions that weren't asked, claiming that he'd answered the questions, quote-walling, quote-mining, misquoting other posters, irrelevancies, bad jokes, disappearing for several days or weeks, posting in other threads - has worked.

    I predict, given that the chances of J C actually addressing (or attempting to address) the paper are approximately zero, that we may soon be rid of this thread. And not a moment month too soon.


    (Edit: left out a couple of his evasion methods)


  • #7178
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yes, exactly. Now go back and read what I said again.
    I read what you said ... I was just correcting an inaccuracy in your statement in relation to God's justice.


  • #7179
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Agreed, I'm out. I really shouldn't be encouraging him, but it's a slow day...
    Has no answer ... so runs away!!!
    10 - 0 to Creation!!:)


  • #7180
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    J C must be getting desperate: none of his usual methods of evasion - changing the subject, ignoring the question, answering questions that weren't asked, claiming that he'd answered the questions, quote-walling, quote-mining, misquoting other posters, irrelevancies, bad jokes, disappearing for several days or weeks, posting in other threads - has worked.
    ... and you can add breathing, eating, drinking ... and sinking the Titanic and starting the First World War as well, when you are at it !!!:pac::):eek:


  • #7181
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Last post on this thread - you didn't correct me at all. In fact you backed me up by bolding the words 'who deserves it'.

    To quote bad religion:

    "it's all right to have faith in god
    but when you bend to their rules and their ****ing lies
    that's when I start to have pity on you."

    Thank you, and goodnight.
    I'm not religious myself ... so I guess we have that much in common ...

    ... and goodnight to you too ... and sweet dreams!!!:)


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  • #7182
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Don't be an idiot.

    Debunk the paper or admit you have no argument.


  • #7183
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    :(


  • #7184
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    I'm not religious myself ... so I guess we have that much in common ...

    we now have you misrepresenting yourself? Are we witnessing the slow distancing of yourself from your creationist claims?:eek:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7185
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    we now have you misrepresenting yourself? Are we witnessing the slow distancing of yourself from your creationist claims?:eek:
    I'm a person of Faith in Jesus Christ ... but I'm not into man-made religion.


  • #7186
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    I'm a person of Faith in Jesus Christ ... but I'm not into man-made religion.

    that makes you a Christian. Christianity is a religion.

    So you were either unaware you are a religious person or you misrepresented yourself.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7187
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Probably both.


  • #7188
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    that makes you a Christian. Christianity is a religion.

    So you were either unaware you are a religious person or you misrepresented yourself.
    Christianity is a Saving Faith ... the denominations like Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, etc are religions


  • #7189
    The Mad Hatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    koth wrote: »
    J C wrote: »
    I'm a person of Faith in Jesus Christ ... but I'm not into man-made religion.

    that makes you a Christian. Christianity is a religion.

    So you were either unaware you are a religious person or you misrepresented yourself.

    J C's claim is that Christianity is not a religion because it was made by a god, not by people.


  • #7190
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Christianity is a Saving Faith ... the denominations like Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, etc are religions
    You're wrong. Christianity is a religion. You don't get to redefine the English language to suit yourself.
    The Mad Hatter wrote: »
    J C's claim is that Christianity is not a religion because it was made by a god, not by people.

    he might want to alert the people that publish dictionaries as they don't agree with his (mis)understanding of the word.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7191
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    You're wrong. Christianity is a religion. You don't get to redefine the English language to suit yourself.


    he might want to alert the people that publish dictionaries as they don't agree with his (mis)understanding of the word.
    Quote:
    Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values. Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature.

    ... Sounds like Evolutionism is also a religion!!!

    ... but being a Christian per se isn't a religion ... although most Christians do belong to some religion ... like Protestantism, Roman Catholocism ... and even Evolutionism!!!!:);)


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  • #7192
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Thank you for proving that (a) Christianity is a religion and (b) that you don't understand the difference between religion and science.

    Try digging up, JC ;)

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7193
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    Thank you for proving that (a) Christianity is a religion and (b) that you don't understand the difference between religion and science.
    Scientism is also a religion.
    http://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/gengloss/sciism-body.html


  • #7194
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Scientism is also a religion.
    http://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/gengloss/sciism-body.html

    I said science, not scientism. but at least the language in your post shows an acceptance of Christianity being a religion.

    If we could get a fraction of that growth to occur with regards to science we might actually makes some progress. You might even find the time to discuss the paper we've asked you to discuss.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7195
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Hehehehehe.

    "Christianity is not a religion."

    "Not made by man"

    Bit of advice, before you get around to debunking that paper, maybe you should read a history book or two. :pac:


  • #7196
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    This thread just gets weirder n' weirder...


  • #7197
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Galvasean wrote: »
    This thread just gets weirder n' weirder...
    It is certainly living up to the 'mega-thread' moniker!!!:)


  • #7198
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    Need my five-year old to go "Awwwlllllright!" at this point :)
    Has s/he also started to question Evolution, Robin?:)


  • #7199
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    koth wrote: »
    I said science, not scientism. but at least the language in your post shows an acceptance of Christianity being a religion.
    Most of you guys are scientists ... but your worldview is based on Scientism and its offshoot, Evolutionism.
    You are quite entitled to do this ... but it does mean that ye believe in 'Microbes to Microbiologists' Evolution through faith alone.:)
    ... and please don't insult the lurkers intelligence by saying 'we have loads of evidence' ... and then fail to produce any!!!
    koth wrote: »
    If we could get a fraction of that growth to occur with regards to science we might actually makes some progress. You might even find the time to discuss the paper we've asked you to discuss.
    Ready, whenever you are.;)


  • #7200
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,084 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Most of you guys are scientists ... but your worldview is based on Scientism and its offshoot, Evolutionism.
    You are quite entitled to do this ... but it does mean that ye believe in 'Microbes to Microbiologists' Evolution through faith alone.:)
    ... and please don't insult the lurkers intelligence by saying 'we have loads of evidence' ... and then fail to produce any!!!

    You're making an assumption that someone who doesn't accept the creation parable of the bible as fact has their worldview based on scientism. They could easily have a Christian, Muslim or Jewish worldview while at the same time accepting evolution.

    As for your comment regarding the lurkers, they are free to join the discussion and challenge any ideas put forward on the thread. Plenty of evidence is present on the thread and they can view that for themselves. If they disagree they can post here and explain/put forward a different explanation.
    Ready, whenever you are.;)

    Excellent. So, based on your reading of the paper, can you provide one error on the paper with regards to the analysis of CFSI? And can you then provide some proof from a peer reviewed scientific work to back up your claim?

    I look forward to your reply.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #7201
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Wouldn't it be great if his next reply was actually a presentation of the flaws in that paper? J C has a great opportunity to prove to us, and the whole scientific community no less, that there is actually merit to what he's been claiming.

    But to do that he would have to go through that paper in detail and show beyond reasonable doubt that the authors were wrong. He'd have to answer the challenges at the end of the paper.

    It would probably just be easier for him to post up another pathetically transparent attempt to avoid the argument, making him look foolish and then ramble on falsely about ad hominems when someone calls bullsh*t on his dishonesty.

    I really hope I'm wrong. Nothing would please me more than J C finally growing the backbone to engage in debate instead of the misinformed evasive rubbish he's been posting for half a decade.

    Come on J C. Do yourself a favour. By actually debating, you'll be doing the rest of us a favour too, we are pretty sick of your childish tactics by now and would welcome a constructive debate. Hell, you'll be doing the WORLD a favour if you can debunk that paper and demonstrate that cfsi isn't a pile of wishey-washy crap that everyone was wrong to debunk for the last decade or so. If they were all flawed in their destroying your favourite claims, show us where they went wrong.

    The only person who can stop you looking like a fool is you.


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