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Multiples, cheap booze, source of evil!

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  • #32
    efb
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    If you increase the price of booze the crime rates are as likely to rise


  • #33
    Dravokivich
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    toexpress wrote: »
    No I don't want to abolish it because they are having a "party" they live in a state of constant party anyway. I want to abolish it because I think that is one of the larger contributory factors to the rising crime rate.

    Why would they need to resort to crime? According to yer OP they are living the life of Reilly as it is.


  • #34
    toexpress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭toexpress


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Why would they need to resort to crime? According to yer OP they are living the life of Reilly as it is.

    Again I state I am talking about the broader situation based on that experience that I have had. But if you wish I can list out the specifics of their crimes later in the day when I have a few hours (I type at about 85 words a minute)


  • #35
    irelandspurs
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    Just kill em


  • #36
    Mr Benevolent
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    OP, they could brew their own, how would you solve that one? I've gotten drunk on my own stuff plenty of times. Prohibition or restriction of supply is never the answer to these issues.


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  • #37
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    toexpress wrote: »
    I type at about 85 words a minute
    I refer to my previous post.


  • #38
    toexpress
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    Confab wrote: »
    OP, they could brew their own, how would you solve that one? I've gotten drunk on my own stuff plenty of times. Prohibition or restriction of supply is never the answer to these issues.

    I am not saying not to sell it, but lets face it the social welfare classes are not used to Spirits at the best of times. When you add in whatever crap the cheap production of Spirits introduces it's going to have consequences.

    Personally I think that there should be more done with drunken disorderly conduct. A higher rate of conviction to match the offending behaviour and that a Judge should be able to use a carrot and stick approach. In other words hand down a suspended sentence, the suspension being for 5 years on say a 12 month sentence and if they go to rehab, do well and be of good behaviour for the period that will be it end of story. If they re-offend then it's off to Mountjoy for the 12 months.


  • #39
    Dublin_Gunner
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Roisin wouldn't start her post "Right so"


    It must be Bill O'Herlihy.


  • #40
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    toexpress wrote: »
    I am not saying not to sell it, but lets face it the social welfare classes are not used to Spirits at the best of times. When you add in whatever crap the cheap production of Spirits introduces it's going to have consequences.
    Christ of almighty. Have a wee read back of that and tell me that's not your genuine attitude. You sound like some sort of 19th Century land lord or something. "The peasants can't handle strong drink." Would you ever STFU?


  • #41
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    toexpress wrote: »
    I am not saying not to sell it, but lets face it the social welfare classes are not used to Spirits at the best of times.
    What. The. Fuck?


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  • #42
    Gee Bag
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    toexpress wrote: »
    Personally I think that there should be more done with drunken disorderly conduct. A higher rate of conviction to match the offending behaviour and that a Judge should be able to use a carrot and stick approach. In other words hand down a suspended sentence, the suspension being for 5 years on say a 12 month sentence and if they go to rehab, do well and be of good behaviour for the period that will be it end of story. If they re-offend then it's off to Mountjoy for the 12 months.

    Send everybody who gets drunk and dose silly Sh*t to prison for a year? We're not fookin' Saudi Arabia!


  • #43
    toexpress
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    Jezz calm down! I was pretty much taking the piss Ross O'Carroll Kelly style with the social welfare classes thing.

    But the rest of it is pretty dead on


  • #44
    monkeypants
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    If cheap alcohol is evil, then let's get rid of the subsidised bar in the Dáil. We can look at the rest of the country and the people after that.


  • #45
    toexpress
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    monkeypants wrote: »
    If cheap alcohol is evil, then let's get rid of the subsidised bar in the Dáil. We can look at the rest of the country and the people after that.

    Now let us not be hasty ...


  • #46
    Logical Fallacy
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    toexpress wrote: »
    Jezz calm down! I was pretty much taking the piss Ross O'Carroll Kelly style with the social welfare classes thing.

    But the rest of it is pretty dead on

    As a rule of thumb, if you need to explain that something is a joke...it's a **** joke.


  • #47
    mackg
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    toexpress wrote: »
    No I don't want to abolish it because they are having a "party" they live in a state of constant party anyway. I want to abolish it because I think that is one of the larger contributory factors to the rising crime rate.

    Based on what? Give a few examples of what exactly it is your neighbours do. Public Order offences or worse? If they are involved in serious crime surely it's a matter for the police.


  • #48
    toexpress
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    As I say it's not just my neighbour. Here where I live Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat you will see a huge number of public order offences. For example a guy recently urinated through the letter box of an elderly lady who lives on the Main Street. He thought it was a great joke at the time, I'm sure the 84 year old lady (and a true lady at that) who lives there wasn't really laughing that much.

    I have had to call the Gardai over my own neighbours brawling out in front of the house at 3/4 in the morning.

    In respect of my neighbours the list is endless. They have thrown paint mixed with glue over my car, and that was because I made one of their visitors move their car from in front of my gate so I could drive in, stolen my oil, broken in here and assaulted me (though to be fair the offender in that case came out of it worse for the experience). Now all of that is pretty bad but they have a lovely habit of going to the net, printing off some of the newspaper stories about the death of my partner in 08 and putting it through my letter box or pinning it to the front door. That may seem pretty trivial by comparison to some of the other stuff but to me it's not.


  • #49
    Leo Dowling
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    And making alcohol more expensive will solve this :confused:

    Sounds like a bit of a longshot tbh.


  • #50
    Nothingbetter2d
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    increasing prices of booze and cigarettes has shown to have little effect on the number of people abusing alcohol or smoking.

    in fact one could say it actually does more harm than good as now these people who are dependent on them either take to crime to subsidize their habits or neglect children in order to feed their habits.

    tax increases on both is nothing more than the government being greedy sods.


  • #51
    mikom
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    toexpress wrote: »
    she told me that in Aldi you can buy a bottle of Vodka for less than €10 (to be fair I kind of knew this but I never go into LIDL or Aldi)

    *Eyes widen in shock, causing a gold rimmed monocle to plink into glass of champagne*


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  • #52
    RussellTuring
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    toexpress wrote: »
    I am not saying not to sell it, but lets face it the social welfare classes are not used to Spirits at the best of times. When you add in whatever crap the cheap production of Spirits introduces it's going to have consequences.

    Personally I think that there should be more done with drunken disorderly conduct. A higher rate of conviction to match the offending behaviour and that a Judge should be able to use a carrot and stick approach. In other words hand down a suspended sentence, the suspension being for 5 years on say a 12 month sentence and if they go to rehab, do well and be of good behaviour for the period that will be it end of story. If they re-offend then it's off to Mountjoy for the 12 months.

    What a great idea, making people responsible for their actions rather than blaming it on alcohol. I wish I'd thought of that.
    toexpress wrote: »
    As I say it's not just my neighbour. Here where I live Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat you will see a huge number of public order offences. For example a guy recently urinated through the letter box of an elderly lady who lives on the Main Street. He thought it was a great joke at the time, I'm sure the 84 year old lady (and a true lady at that) who lives there wasn't really laughing that much.

    I have had to call the Gardai over my own neighbours brawling out in front of the house at 3/4 in the morning.

    In respect of my neighbours the list is endless. They have thrown paint mixed with glue over my car, and that was because I made one of their visitors move their car from in front of my gate so I could drive in, stolen my oil, broken in here and assaulted me (though to be fair the offender in that case came out of it worse for the experience). Now all of that is pretty bad but they have a lovely habit of going to the net, printing off some of the newspaper stories about the death of my partner in 08 and putting it through my letter box or pinning it to the front door. That may seem pretty trivial by comparison to some of the other stuff but to me it's not.

    And all of this behaviour would stop if alcohol was more expensive?


  • #53
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    toexpress wrote: »
    As I say it's not just my neighbour. Here where I live Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat you will see a huge number of public order offences. For example a guy recently urinated through the letter box of an elderly lady who lives on the Main Street. He thought it was a great joke at the time, I'm sure the 84 year old lady (and a true lady at that) who lives there wasn't really laughing that much.

    I have had to call the Gardai over my own neighbours brawling out in front of the house at 3/4 in the morning.

    In respect of my neighbours the list is endless. They have thrown paint mixed with glue over my car, and that was because I made one of their visitors move their car from in front of my gate so I could drive in, stolen my oil, broken in here and assaulted me (though to be fair the offender in that case came out of it worse for the experience). Now all of that is pretty bad but they have a lovely habit of going to the net, printing off some of the newspaper stories about the death of my partner in 08 and putting it through my letter box or pinning it to the front door. That may seem pretty trivial by comparison to some of the other stuff but to me it's not.

    That's horrible, no doubt about it. However other then the brawling in the street at 3/4 in the morning which could be contributed in part to the booze, the rest sems to be down to the fact that your neighbours are assholes. Raising the price of drink will not solve this problem. As far as someone peeing in a letterbox I'm afraid things of this nature happened long before Lidl and Aldi came to town. As I said there is no doubt you have a problem but what you're calling for won't solve it.


  • #54
    ScumLord
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    toexpress wrote: »
    In respect of my neighbours the list is endless. They have thrown paint mixed with glue over my car, and that was because I made one of their visitors move their car from in front of my gate so I could drive in, stolen my oil, broken in here and assaulted me (though to be fair the offender in that case came out of it worse for the experience). Now all of that is pretty bad but they have a lovely habit of going to the net, printing off some of the newspaper stories about the death of my partner in 08 and putting it through my letter box or pinning it to the front door. That may seem pretty trivial by comparison to some of the other stuff but to me it's not.
    They sound like complete pricks, alcohol isn't the problem here, they are.

    If alcohol was the problem then I would have been capable of that, and while I did do some stupid things, the stuff they're doing is horrid bullying and I'd never sink that low no matter how drunk I got.

    Raising the price of alcohol out of their price range would probably only encourage them to steal for the money.

    If I was you I'd at the very least start recording any more bullying on their part, if you can get some cameras in but do it on the sly you want to catch them in the act.


  • #55
    toexpress
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    Right to address whole sort of "snob because I don't go to LIDL or Aldi" thing once and for all. I have a food business. Since the death of my partner I live alone. It doesn't take a whole lot to feed myself and the dog, I bring it home from work. I also get my cleaning stuff at work in fact pretty much my entire house is run from my business. Anything additional that I need comes from Super Valu because it is the nearest place to me and driving to Portarlington or Portlaoise wouldn't save me anything.

    In regards to the behaviour, the socially housed tenants in the property next to mine have been told not to enter onto my property. They have to do so in order to attach these notes to my door or post them through my letter box. This is a crime. The very nature of the notes and the continued arrival of them means that this is harassment. This always happens in the evening usually from Thursday to Sunday. They get the social on Thursdays here where I live.

    But the good news is that they will soon enter onto my property to do this again. And when they do I'm a mighty good shot! So that solves my problem but to say that things like that happen to an 84 year old and c'est la vie ... well it says a lot about our society that such an attitude exists. Frankly I think a nice long custodial sentence would be too good for the scum bag that did that


  • #56
    ScumLord
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    toexpress wrote: »
    But the good news is that they will soon enter onto my property to do this again. And when they do I'm a mighty good shot! So that solves my problem but to say that things like that happen to an 84 year old and c'est la vie ... well it says a lot about our society that such an attitude exists. Frankly I think a nice long custodial sentence would be too good for the scum bag that did that
    It is wrong that this happens but I don't think custodial sentences help at all, they might make the victim feel better knowing that they'll be punished for the crime they committed but it will only make that other person worse in the long run. I don't think prison makes people see the error of their ways I just think it further alienates them from normal society.

    There's no community any more, we just don't look out for each other it's one of Irelands greatest failures and will continue to see us fail into the future.

    You should put the article about the law change in their letter box then sit outside your house on a rocking chair, shotgun in hand watching every move they make.


  • #57
    RussellTuring
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    toexpress wrote: »
    Right to address whole sort of "snob because I don't go to LIDL or Aldi" thing once and for all. I have a food business. Since the death of my partner I live alone. It doesn't take a whole lot to feed myself and the dog, I bring it home from work. I also get my cleaning stuff at work in fact pretty much my entire house is run from my business. Anything additional that I need comes from Super Valu because it is the nearest place to me and driving to Portarlington or Portlaoise wouldn't save me anything.

    In regards to the behaviour, the socially housed tenants in the property next to mine have been told not to enter onto my property. They have to do so in order to attach these notes to my door or post them through my letter box. This is a crime. The very nature of the notes and the continued arrival of them means that this is harassment. This always happens in the evening usually from Thursday to Sunday. They get the social on Thursdays here where I live.

    But the good news is that they will soon enter onto my property to do this again. And when they do I'm a mighty good shot! So that solves my problem but to say that things like that happen to an 84 year old and c'est la vie ... well it says a lot about our society that such an attitude exists. Frankly I think a nice long custodial sentence would be too good for the scum bag that did that

    How does any of this relate to your belief that increasing the price of alcohol will solve a host of societal ills? You're derailing your own thread.


  • #58
    YFlyer
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    Sindri wrote: »
    Never buy cheap spirits.

    It's nearly always fake and it is usually (more) poisonous. People die from drinking due to the fact that it's full of mercury and shit like that. So don't buy a bottle of vodka for a €1 (like I have done).

    Which vodka?


  • #59
    Logical Fallacy
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    toexpress wrote: »
    Right to address whole sort of "snob because I don't go to LIDL or Aldi" thing once and for all. I have a food business. Since the death of my partner I live alone. It doesn't take a whole lot to feed myself and the dog, I bring it home from work. I also get my cleaning stuff at work in fact pretty much my entire house is run from my business. Anything additional that I need comes from Super Valu because it is the nearest place to me and driving to Portarlington or Portlaoise wouldn't save me anything.

    In regards to the behaviour, the socially housed tenants in the property next to mine have been told not to enter onto my property. They have to do so in order to attach these notes to my door or post them through my letter box. This is a crime. The very nature of the notes and the continued arrival of them means that this is harassment. This always happens in the evening usually from Thursday to Sunday. They get the social on Thursdays here where I live.

    But the good news is that they will soon enter onto my property to do this again. And when they do I'm a mighty good shot! So that solves my problem but to say that things like that happen to an 84 year old and c'est la vie ... well it says a lot about our society that such an attitude exists. Frankly I think a nice long custodial sentence would be too good for the scum bag that did that

    So basically when you shoot someone there will be a post to show that you were waiting for the opportunity to shoot them.

    Seems like a dumb move to me.


  • #60
    ScumLord
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    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    So basically when you shoot someone there will be a post to show that you were waiting for the opportunity to shoot them.

    Seems like a dumb move to me.
    He seems perfectly entitled to shot them, it makes no difference that he knows they're prolonged bullying will mean they'll be back again. It just highlights the extent of his suffering.


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  • #61
    charlemont
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    Someone has jealousy and bitterness issues.


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