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Media bias

  • 13-01-2012 02:38PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭


    Just read this in the Irish Times
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0113/1224310196125.html?via=mr

    There was around 800 job losses in the Republic with the remainder in the North yet the article suggests the Government should be concerned about 1,100 job losses.
    Is it just me or this blatant mis-representaion of the facts in order to create a sensational headline and attract readers?
    PAUL CULLEN and SIMON CARSWELL

    THE GOVERNMENT’S employment strategy has come under strong Opposition attack following the announcement yesterday of over 1,100 job losses across Ireland.

    Just days before Ministers meet to draw up plans for a jobs initiative, the precarious state of existing employment was highlighted by layoffs announced by Ulster Bank and Diageo.

    Trade unions and senior management at Ulster Bank are to hold talks today after the lender announced plans to cut 950 jobs. Some 600 staff in the Republic will lose their jobs by the end of the year, while the balance of the redundancies are in Northern Ireland.

    Unions are expected to seek the same redundancy package agreed under a 2009 deal, which saw workers receive an average of seven weeks’ pay per year of service on top of two weeks’ statutory pay.

    A black day on the jobs front also saw Diageo announce plans to close the country’s oldest operating brewery in Kilkenny as part of a restructuring plan that will also result in the closure of its brewery in Dundalk with a total loss of 99 jobs.

    Kilkenny Chamber of Commerce president John Purcell said it was “a sad day” for the city and closure of the 300-year-old St Francis Abbey Brewery would mark “the end of an era”. Further job losses were confirmed yesterday in Dublin where one of the capital’s best known hostels, Isaac’s, near Busáras, has been put into liquidation. The hostel employed 71 people in 2010 and twice that a year earlier.

    In Waterford, more than 30 jobs are to go at Honeywell Measurex as the company, which makes parts for the computer industry, restructures its operations. It is understood that work currently being done in Waterford is moving to Bulgaria, although about 30 jobs will remain at the Waterford plant.

    On a more positive note, Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton is expected to announce the creation of up to 200 jobs through the expansion of an existing business when he visits Waterford this morning. News of the new employment will be welcomed across the southeast, which has suffered serious job blows in recent years.

    Sinn Féin’s jobs spokesman, Peadar Toibin, warned the Ulster Bank redundancies could be the first of potentially thousands of jobs losses within the banking industry.

    “After nearly a year in office, redundancies, unemployment and emigration have become the constant theme of this Fine Gael and Labour administration. The desperate news of significant job losses in Ulster Bank underlines the failure of Government policy.”

    Emigration, the number of unemployed and the length of time people are unemployed had all increased under the current Government, he said. “The bailout, which was meant to stabilise the economy and the banking industry and to get credit flowing to the local economy, has clearly failed.”

    Fianna Fáil’s deputy leader Éamon Ó Cuív expressed particular concern for retail sector workers in Ulster Bank, such as cashiers, who might not have sought-after IT skills. “The whole question of retraining and upskilling becomes absolutely crucial to their job prospects,” he said.

    The redundancies are to be spread over two years but the bank will seek to implement most of the cuts in the second half of this year. Compulsory redundancies have not been ruled out as this depends on the take-up among staff.

    Mr Bruton hailed Diageo’s decision to invest €153 million in consolidating brewing operation at St James’s Gate in Dublin as a “major vote of confidence” in the Irish economy.

    However, he was accused by a Green Party councillor in Kilkenny, Malcolm Noonan, of effectively welcoming job losses brought about by a multinational’s loyalty to its shareholders over its workers and brewing heritage in Kilkenny and Dundalk.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    I know that all nordies have weird pointy heads and eat their babies, but we are obliged to treat them as 'people' because of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Some of them even occasionally stray south of the border to buy expensive booze and cheap motor fuel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭AngryBollix


    Name one media outlet that isn't biased


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    I like cheese.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    I know that all nordies have weird pointy heads and eat their babies, but we are obliged to treat them as 'people' because of the Good Friday Agreement.

    Some of them even occasionally stray south of the border to buy expensive booze and cheap motor fuel.
    The point is that 300 job losses in Northern Ireland are of no concern to the Irish Government any more than job losses in the US.

    Yes, the media do this to sensationalise the story further. "More than 1,000" sounds better than "almost 1,000".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    seamus wrote: »
    The point is that 300 job losses in Northern Ireland are of no concern to the Irish Government any more than job losses in the US.

    I hate neo-partitionists, especially short-sighted ones.

    300 people in the North lose their jobs. I expect that nearly all are entitled to Irish citizenship. Where's the nearest place they might go to look for work? Where might they relocate to?

    These are Irish jobs lost too, James. And they could easily have an effect on the economy in your 3/4 of the nation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭sozbox


    Name one media outlet that isn't biased

    I get your point and I agree but this is blatantly obvious.
    It's taking bad news and spinning it to make things look worse than they are.
    It's an excuse for journalism and it should be called out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    seamus wrote: »
    The point is that 300 job losses in Northern Ireland are of no concern to the Irish Government any more than job losses in the US.

    Yes, the media do this to sensationalise the story further. "More than 1,000" sounds better than "almost 1,000".

    Northern Ireland is somewhat closer to us than the USA.

    Along the border a hell of a lot of people live in the south and work in the north and vice versa. Companies north and south trade with each other.

    The Ulster Bank job losses are differnt to the usual announcement of job losses in that they have an impact either side of the border.

    Do you think that we should go back to the 1950's when the two parts of the island of Ireland liked to pretend that the other didn't exist?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Deus Ex Machina


    Jason1984 wrote: »
    I get your point and I agree but this is blatantly obvious.
    It's taking bad news and spinning it to make things look worse than they are.
    It's an excuse for journalism and it should be called out.

    The way you start each sentence on a new line makes me think that you're typing your messages on a little gameboy or something. Gameboy! Are you a spy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭sozbox


    The way you start each sentence on a new line makes me think that you're typing your messages on a little gameboy or something. Gameboy! Are you a spy?

    iPhone, close enough!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I hate neo-partitionists, especially short-sighted ones.

    300 people in the North lose their jobs. I expect that nearly all are entitled to Irish citizenship. Where's the nearest place they might go to look for work? Where might they relocate to?

    These are Irish jobs lost too, James. And they could easily have an effect on the economy in your 3/4 of the nation.
    OK, I'm going to make it a little clearer;

    The government are coming under "attack" for 300 job losses over which they have no influence, control or responsibility. Yes, it is a consideration that some of those people may come south to look for work, but these jobs have been lost in a foreign jurisdiction and cannot be saved by or Government nor can the losses be blamed on our government.

    That's the point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    seamus wrote: »
    OK, I'm going to make it a little clearer;

    The government are coming under "attack" for 300 job losses over which they have no influence, control or responsibility. Yes, it is a consideration that some of those people may come south to look for work, but these jobs have been lost in a foreign jurisdiction and cannot be saved by or Government nor can the losses be blamed on our government.

    That's the point.

    Firstly you'll have to demonstrate that anyone has attacked the government on this basis. Reading the Irish Times article, I see no evidence of either the journalists nor the Opposition politicians quoted saying anything about the government being to blame for the loss of jobs in the North.
    The article states that there were a certain number of job losses across Ireland, including in that total those lost in the North. This is because most of the job losses accrued relate to the Ulster Bank, which does business across the nation.
    It would be shoddy journalism to ignore those 300 job losses in an article, since they directly relate to the main thrust of the story - job losses at Ulster Bank. No doubt had they done that, someone would be on here querying the Irish Times's ability to write a news story accurately.
    The point is, you don't have a point really. You're tilting at windmills. No one attacked the government as you claimed. Your 'point' is a straw man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭Richard


    .
    The point is, you don't have a point really. You're tilting at windmills. No one attacked the government as you claimed. Your 'point' is a straw man.

    The article says "THE GOVERNMENT’S employment strategy has come under strong Opposition attack following the announcement yesterday of over 1,100 job losses across Ireland."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Jason1984 wrote: »
    Just read this in the Irish Times
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0113/1224310196125.html?via=mr

    There was around 800 job losses in the Republic with the remainder in the North yet the article suggests the Government should be concerned about 1,100 job losses.
    Is it just me or this blatant mis-representaion of the facts in order to create a sensational headline and attract readers?

    Completly disagree, the Irish Times is quite tempered in it's coverage of news stories, including this one, so there's context to be considered. It's not sensationalist at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The point is, you don't have a point really. You're tilting at windmills. No one attacked the government as you claimed. Your 'point' is a straw man.
    It's the very first line of the bloody article.

    Did you even read it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    seamus wrote: »
    It's the very first line of the bloody article.

    Did you even read it?

    Did you?

    The first line says the Government came under attack after jobs were lost. So it did - the attack is outlined in the article. The Opposition are annoyed at the Government's jobs strategy or lack thereof.

    Nowhere does the article nor anyone quoted in it criticise the government for loss of jobs in NI as the OP claimed. You need to read better next time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    Slight sensationalism perhaps, but where's the "bias"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    If the Sunday Independent and The Independent had their way Public Servants would be slayed on the street French revolution style. The guillotine would be set up in the town square of every town and public servants would be dragged from their offices. And the owners of independent newspapers would tune in via Skype from their homes in Switzerland safe in the knowledge that they paid nothing towards it. But got to enjoy it all the same. ;)


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