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Legalise and tax soft drugs

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Jagle


    lets just do what portugal did, decriminalise drugs for users, treat them as they are, not as criminals but as a health problem, and an addiction..

    stop wasting money taking john to court over a few grams of weed and grow up as a country


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭stringed theory


    paddyandy wrote: »
    A medical Practitioner would likeiy have a better medical understanding with access to other schools of thought than many of the Posters here .

    Probably, but it is worth noting that the medical profession is a vested interest.
    If cannabis was legalized, it would be logical to extend this right of "self medications" to other classes of drug. Doctors would become advisers, instead of monopolists with paternalistic powers. The set of assumptions surrounding the medical profession is in contrast with the idea that people have a sense of adult responsibility, as when they want to buy a financial product, for example. You're allowed to bankrupt yourself, but not to choose some penicillin.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Probably, but it is worth noting that the medical profession is a vested interest.
    If cannabis was legalized, it would be logical to extend this right of "self medications" to other classes of drug. Doctors would become advisers, instead of monopolists with paternalistic powers. The set of assumptions surrounding the medical profession is in contrast with the idea that people have a sense of adult responsibility, as when they want to buy a financial product, for example. You're allowed to bankrupt yourself, but not to choose some penicillin.

    People who take drugs are not renowned for their sense of Responsibility .I NEVER heard of one who was logical over much either .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭orangebud


    here is a follow up 2
    Dr. Ruairi Hanley story on ganja quite funny
    http://www.theweedblog.com/irish-doc...ads-to-beards/

    Here is a good story from Reuters suggesting the marijuana does not have much health affects on your lungs if at all

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8092BC20120110

    people wake up cannabis can change the world


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    ORANGE :There is nothing funny about our drugs epidemic ,There is always a report like that somewhere..such articles are looking for page prominence or page rank .You'll find one on flat earth belief proof too if you search it thoroughly enough .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭orangebud


    paddyandy wrote: »
    There is always a report like that somewhere..such articles are looking for page prominence or page rank .You'll find one on flat earth belief proof too if you search it thoroughly enough .

    so is reuters a conspiracy website now i guess i go back reading the mail for reefer madness


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Reuters is not always a serious News Agency .Could'nt find the above article but even though they have a very good reputation ...they don't know us the way we know each other in ireland .There are plenty here who wish to draw me into the "woods" of some report or other....and even then i am not easily charmed by reputation .Let others click on the report....i can't download it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    They're one of the most respected news agencies in the world! What are you on about?


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    They're one of the most respected news agencies in the world! What are you on about?

    Do they NEVER get something wrong ? I'll check that article LATER when i can. ssl has prevented me. I'll be back .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    orangebud wrote: »

    Here is a good story from Reuters suggesting the marijuana does not have much health affects on your lungs if at all

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8092BC20120110
    paddyandy wrote: »
    Reuters is not always a serious News Agency . but even though they have a very good reputation ...they don't know us the way we know each other in ireland .

    We have different lungs over here in Ireland......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭n900guy


    The only real purpose of decriminalisation is improved public health and in policing to free resources for more dangerous drugs such as heroin and cocaine and their dealers. Improved public health is by allowing those who will smoke it whether legal or not to access a reasonably standardised amount, and to remove these people from having potential contact with sellers of more physically dangerous drugs. IMO.

    ANy discussion of politics (left vs right) or comparisons with alcohol are meaningless. It's entirely down to whether an improvement in health can be achieved (even if it offends your sensibilities) and if police can focus limited resources more effectively.

    Personal viewpoints and moral stances are completely irrelevant to both public health and policing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    It's amazing the amount of people that pay comedians to make them laugh but with a little joint of cannabis bud you can laugh at anything, which is beneficial as well to the well-being of some people.

    Got to love the weed as it is indeed a master of giddiness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    I think a more sensible approach would be to REGULATE as opposed to legalise drugs.

    If a system were to be brought in where a person would have to meet certain criteria and gain a license of sorts. Perhaps they might have to undergo a course on the potential dangers of the drug, be of a certain level of health, have a psychiatric assessment, have no criminal record or whatever before they were given their "Safe Pass" to buy drugs (which could also be supplied through controlled channels such as participating doctors or pharmacies)

    The advantages are thus:
    - It would allow your ordinary decent citizen to buy some marijuana for personal use and actually be treated as an adult capable of making their own decisions.
    - It would wipe out a significant portion of the criminals income.
    - It would allow the police to focus their efforts on major drug barons instead of messing around with guys peddling small amounts of hash/weed
    - It would mean that the regulation body could maintain a certain amount of control over the industry and quality of products
    - You could control or outlaw drug tourism, if this was seen as a major concern
    - Using doctors/pharmacies as supply channels would eliminate the situation of a free-for-all with every newsagent selling weed

    PS I dont smoke at all, but I know guys who do and are fine upstanding citizens so let them on is what I say


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    People wanting to re-open Head Shops have very "sensible" arguments indeed .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Defiler Of The Coffin


    paddyandy wrote: »
    People wanting to re-open Head Shops have very "sensible" arguments indeed .

    Give us a few examples, and maybe a counter-argument or two as well.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    The Cult of the Dead is well represented here and they would do well to think about the effect on future generations .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,156 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Paddy is "won't someone think of the children!?" the best you got?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    paddyandy wrote: »
    The Cult of the Dead is well represented here and they would do well to think about the effect on future generations .

    Good track.......



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    paddyandy wrote: »
    The Cult of the Dead is well represented here and they would do well to think about the effect on future generations .

    Are you sure your not on any drugs yourself ??


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Paddy is "won't someone think of the children!?" the best you got?

    What is wrong with it ??????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    paddyandy wrote: »
    What is wrong with it ??????

    It's a poor argument and you haven't given us any reason to believe that drug criminalisation does actually benefit the children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,391 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    paddyandy wrote: »
    People wanting to re-open Head Shops have very "sensible" arguments indeed .
    I didn't enjoy that period of Irish History. I believe I would dislike the legalisation of weed just as much. Why? becuase saps who don't smoke now would start smoking and ruin it for everyone else....

    I want things to stay as they are....or more preferably i would like my "grow and share" policy introduced!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    I didn't enjoy that period of Irish History. I believe I would dislike the legalisation of weed just as much. Why? becuase saps who don't smoke now would start smoking and ruin it for everyone else....

    I want things to stay as they are....or more preferably i would like my "grow and share" policy introduced!!!

    Am I taking you up wrong or are you against drug legalisation because you wouldn't be as cool if they were legalised?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,391 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Am I taking you up wrong or are you against drug legalisation because you wouldn't be as cool if they were legalised?
    Taking me up very wrong. When headshops were at full swing people who otherwise would not have been near drugs were getting off their faces and making a show of themselves in public....also there was a lot of stuff making it's way into schools which causes it's own problems...
    I've smoking a while now, nearly 20 years and everyone i know through smoke is discrete and just gets on with it....
    If smoke was legal then it would get a bad name in no time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    Goddam it it Paddy if your not over in the humanities thread spurting your nonsence on drugs then your over here doing it. I cant escape you!! Your like a drug!!:D

    And just like on the other thread you cant seem to back up any of your points with any factual evidence. You can even be bothered to make up pretend evidence. Its all based on your outdated beliefs.

    frAG


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    Taking me up very wrong. When headshops were at full swing people who otherwise would not have been near drugs were getting off their faces and making a show of themselves in public....also there was a lot of stuff making it's way into schools which causes it's own problems...
    I've smoking a while now, nearly 20 years and everyone i know through smoke is discrete and just gets on with it....
    If smoke was legal then it would get a bad name in no time.

    And how many of those people became long term users? Maybe they were just using those drugs to see what the fuss was about.

    In Portugal and Holland the percentage of people regularly smoking cannabis fell after it was legalised.

    A lot of illegal drugs make their way into schools as well. Just making something illegal doesn't mean it's going to stay out of schools.

    So what if cannabis got a bad name? It's an inanimate object. It's not like it's feelings are going to be hurt if somebody gets a bit pale in the face after smoking it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    It's a poor argument and you haven't given us any reason to believe that drug criminalisation does actually benefit the children.

    TRY telling that to parents who BURIED THEIR CHILDREN !!!!!!!


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Am I taking you up wrong or are you against drug legalisation because you wouldn't be as cool if they were legalised?

    You know very well what he's saying.....the idea would tarnish with bad press.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    paddyandy wrote: »
    TRY telling that to parents who BURIED THEIR CHILDREN !!!!!!!

    Case in point. Drugs are illegal yet there is still people dying from using them. Once again, how does drug prohibition help anybody?


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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Case in point. Drugs are illegal yet there is still people dying from using them. Once again, how does drug prohibition help anybody?

    Prohibition + Severe Penalties ........laws too soft and not enough arrests .


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