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How to Make a Buggy Road Legel???

  • 09-01-2012 08:43PM
    #1
    oo7tk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭


    Ok so im thinkin of Buying a Buggy and see ya can make em road legal, how would i go about this, is it a painfull process??? I have a good lot of land so would be very handy to be able to take it from one spot to the next on the road.... This guy has no logbook so i would have to start from scratch... It has the lights and indicators and all with it....

    Cheers


    http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/quads/2692059


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  • #2
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    You would have to add enough equipment that it would pass the NCT. Then guess what? No one'll insure you. No one.


  • #3
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,853 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Turn in back into a beetle.


  • #4
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Buy a trailer OP! ;)


  • #5
    oo7tk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭oo7tk


    Owen wrote: »
    You would have to add enough equipment that it would pass the NCT. Then guess what? No one'll insure you. No one.

    Guess What?? I have a Motor Trade Policy so i am insured on it if i want.... Why do people on this site have to be so negative and unhelpful??? If you have something negative to say keep it to yourself....


    Gettin a trailor is not much of an option as the distance from my lad to house is about 2 miles and would be just handy to be able to drive it rather than buy a trailor and tow it...

    Has anyone ever taxed one then??


  • #6
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    oo7tk wrote: »
    Guess What?? I have a Motor Trade Policy so i am insured on it if i want.... Why do people on this site have to be so negative and unhelpful??? If you have something negative to say keep it to yourself....

    Relax. No one's having a go at you or being negative. You never mentioned you had a trade policy at the start, I'm not a mind reader.

    I remember when people looked at making quads road legal in the UK long before there were road legal versions, there was a lot they had to fit. Spedometers, indicators, rear running and brake lights, headlights, the suspension had to travel a certain amount - there was quite a long list. Ireland's not so hard I'd imagine, as long as you could have the right equipment to pass an NCT, the next step would be to make an appointment with the Vehicle Registrations Office to have the vehicle reclassified. You'd need to trailer it there for inspection, and provided they're happy, they'd give you a number plate - minimum fee IIRC is 315 Euro for that. Afterwards, you'd need to then tax it, and your new log book would arrive in the post.

    Would be similar to registering a kit car, but you'd have no certificate of conformity.


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  • #7
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    oo7tk wrote: »
    Guess What?? I have a Motor Trade Policy so i am insured on it if i want.... Why do people on this site have to be so negative and unhelpful??? If you have something negative to say keep it to yourself....

    Trade policy or not the vehicle has to be road legal and have an engineer report to say it's roadworthy. Much handier to buy a trailer.
    oo7tk wrote: »
    distance from my lad to house is about 2 miles

    That's a fine big lad you have there dude! :p


  • #8
    oo7tk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭oo7tk


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Trade policy or not the vehicle has to be road legal and have an engineer report to say it's roadworthy. Much handier to buy a trailer.



    That's a fine big lad you have there dude! :p



    Ok well a trailer is out of the question, i Have an M3 and she as a JCW Cooper so i have now tow bar.... I would buy a quad the main reason im lookin at this is to get it road legal..... Just wondering has anyone done it??? Or does anyone know if i can do it???


  • #9
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    Why not just buy a Quad that's already road-registered ?


  • #10
    oo7tk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭oo7tk


    Cause a buggy is alot safer, my brothers will be using it also....

    Look my question stands, i want to know will i be able to register or has anyone registered one.... Simple.....


  • #11
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    I think the only people who will be able to answer your question properly are the VRO in Rosslare. They're a helpful bunch down there, maybe give them a call in the morning?


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  • #12
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Here's another option:

    Buy an Enduro / Motocross bike. No problem getting one road legal as they have to be for events (well enduro anyhow) as you often have to cross public roads. Plus, in my book, a bike is safer and more useable on all types of terrain.


  • #13
    oo7tk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭oo7tk


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Here's another option:

    Buy an Enduro / Motocross bike. No problem getting one road legal as they have to be for events (well enduro anyhow) as you often have to cross public roads. Plus, in my book, a bike is safer and more useable on all types of terrain.

    Never had a bike and never will for personal reasons.... Ill give the VRO a ring and see


  • #14
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    oo7tk wrote: »
    Never had a bike and never will for personal reasons.... Ill give the VRO a ring and see

    That's up to you entirely but with the right gear (body armour) a bike is safer than any quad or buggy.


  • #15
    101sean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Quads and work vehicles like Polaris, JCB etc are common on farms in the UK and can be road legal but not here.

    It was discussed on the 4x4, tractors, plant etc forum a while back, a few got registered a but since 2009 they won't look at them as they are not type approved.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056399615


  • #16
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭deandean


    What buggy? I don't see no buggy.

    That's a special purpose, low ground pressure agricultural vehicle.

    Or it will be when you get a loan of a small spray tank, for the back or on top, you prob know the type. Removable of course.

    Much easier paperwork with this route IIRC.

    [edit] 101Sean in previous post obviously knows much more than me on this area..looks like this loophole may be closed too.


  • #17
    oo7tk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭oo7tk


    deandean wrote: »
    What buggy? I don't see no buggy.

    That's a special purpose, low ground pressure agricultural vehicle.

    Or it will be when you get a loan of a small spray tank, for the back or on top, you prob know the type. Removable of course.

    Much easier paperwork with this route IIRC.

    BUT are you allowed on the road if you put it down as an agri vehicle??? Well i dont want to be out on the motorway speeding around or anything.... Thats interesting


  • #18
    Anvil89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭Anvil89


    I'm in the same position you’re in, I built a buggy based on VW beetle chassis and I want to make it road legal. I don’t how to make it road legal in Ireland, but you can get them road legal in the UK and the USA. It might be easier to get a log book for suck a vehicle overseas and pay the supposable VRT on it, it wouldn't cost much, it was €50 but it went up to €250 may of 2011. The hardest part would trying to get a log book for the vehicle.


  • #19
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    oo7tk wrote: »
    Guess What?? I have a Motor Trade Policy so i am insured on it if i want.... Why do people on this site have to be so negative and unhelpful??? If you have something negative to say keep it to yourself....


    Gettin a trailor is not much of an option as the distance from my lad to house is about 2 miles and would be just handy to be able to drive it rather than buy a trailor and tow it...

    Has anyone ever taxed one then??

    Motor trade insurance or not, you can't insure a vehicle that's not road-legal. No matter what window dressing you put on the buggy (mirrors, indicators etc), if its not road-homologated then its not road-legal and can't be made so. There are ways to submit single type approvals and see how you go. But they will visually inspect it at a VRT centre and personally I doubt if you will make something road-legal that doesn't meet type approval already. e.g a Honda farm quad can be made road-legal because it meets type approval. Many many Chinese imports CAN NOT. Even on single type approval. Incidentally, I had a TAN and I was charged zero for visual inspections. But then I was importing and registering new vehicle birth certs with Rosslare before presenting for visual inspection to my local clueless VRT centre.

    I look forward to any progress on this as I see its use for you, so good luck with it and please keep us updated.

    Edit; I see its sold. Did you buy it?


  • #20
    hi5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    Here what you need ,best of luck:)




    http://www.nsai.ie/Our-Services/Certification/Transport-Certification/Motor-Vehicle-Approval-Schemes/IVA---Individual-Vehicle-Approval.aspx


    http://www.nsai.ie/Our-Services-(1)/Certification/IVA-Supplement-Tech-Spec-and-Inspec-Procedure-vers.aspx


  • #21
    Joe 90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    Would I be right in assuming from this thread that it would be almost impossible to register and legally use on the road in Ireland something like an Ultima http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=gtrintro or a Gt40 Continuation http://www.gt40continuation.co.uk/ , assuming that you would be prepared to pay the road tax on either of them.


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  • #22
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Joe 90 wrote: »
    Would I be right in assuming from this thread that it would be almost impossible to register and legally use on the road in Ireland something like an Ultima http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=gtrintro or a Gt40 Continuation http://www.gt40continuation.co.uk/ , assuming that you would be prepared to pay the road tax on either of them.
    Please see post 20. For instance, many electric vehicles circumvent type approval by being classed as quadricycles. So the matching process sees them approved. A car is a different beast altogether. There's also the issue of something being (or its components being) CE approved. This is separate to and precedes any type approval. Non CE-approved products shouldn't even be in the Eu. But they are. Some buggies fall into that category. Many scooters, quads etc.

    No idea about that track car but if it doesn't meet road car spec, its not going to get single type approval. IMO.


  • #23
    Joe 90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Please see post 20. For instance, many electric vehicles circumvent type approval by being classed as quadricycles. So the matching process sees them approved. A car is a different beast altogether. There's also the issue of something being (or its components being) CE approved. This is separate to and precedes any type approval. Non CE-approved products shouldn't ven be in the Eu. But they are. Some buggies fall into that category. Many scooters, quads etc.

    No idea about that track car but if it doesn't meet road car spec, its not going to get single type approval. IMO.
    Here is a UK street legal Ultima. Dunno how he managed to ge legal with that front number plate though. http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3610412.htm


  • #24
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Joe 90 wrote: »
    Would I be right in assuming from this thread that it would be almost impossible to register and legally use on the road in Ireland something like an Ultima http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=gtrintro or a Gt40 Continuation http://www.gt40continuation.co.uk/ , assuming that you would be prepared to pay the road tax on either of them.

    It's easier to get stuff registered here than in the UK, we've no motor industry to protect.

    But the issue here is getting a reasonable insurance quote, which is where the OP will be stopped unless they have a farm and can find some way of classifying the buggy as a farm vehicle.


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